[04:22:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g> [1/5] Miraheze's servers are failing the TLS handshake during both `curl -L -I -vvvvv --tlsv1.2 --no-sessionid --no-alpn --no-npn --no-tls-earlydata "https://wiki.b3313.org/"` and the same with `--tlsv1.3`.  (Removing any of the TLS parameters doesn't change the behavior; I chose these to simplify diagnosis.) Attached is a Wireshark dump of the former against https://wiki.b3313.org/ and the
[04:22:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g> [2/5] n https://b3313.miraheze.org/ (which gets a valid TLS connection going, redirects to wiki.b3313.org, and fails again), and a screenshot of a diff of Wireshark's tree items for packet \#23 (`Client Hello (SNI=b3313.miraheze.org)`) to for packet \#53 (`Client Hello (SNI=wiki.b3313.org)`), which shows only differences in the normal random values and the server name field, as far as I can
[04:22:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g> [3/5]  tell. I've reproduced this behavior with Firefox on my local box, curl on my local box, curl on a Hetzner VPS (eu-central, nbg1-dc3), and curl on my [SDF](<https://sdf.org/>) shell account. I didn't find any existing reports about this specific issue.
[04:22:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g> [4/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485493837593051226/b3313-tls-handshake-failure.pcapng?ex=69c21172&is=69c0bff2&hm=99a0d1e5692f1a86fe6d4b1ed14a778383ade1f7baaa1b06c673ce9e3dc09094&
[04:22:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g> [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485493838125596742/Screenshot_20260322_210345.png?ex=69c21172&is=69c0bff2&hm=d0eafa465ee7cdd4f7d42ccdbddd101990ef035e024761abb36b8b6f8414cede&
[04:29:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bb010g> [1/7] why are you CNAME'd to mw-lb instead of cf-lb
[04:29:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bb010g> [2/7] ```
[04:29:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bb010g> [3/7] ;; ANSWER SECTION:
[04:29:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bb010g> [4/7] wiki.b3313.org.         180     IN      CNAME   mw-lb.miraheze.org.
[04:29:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bb010g> [5/7] mw-lb.miraheze.org.     180     IN      A       104.18.6.190
[04:29:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bb010g> [6/7] mw-lb.miraheze.org.     180     IN      A       104.18.7.190
[04:29:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bb010g> [7/7] ```
[04:30:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> probably why cloudflare is failing to validate your custom domain at the moment, which is the most likely failurepoint
[04:35:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g, replying to pskyechology> I never heard to change it and my research about that just earlier didn't pull up anything that said migrating from `mw-lb` to `cf-lb` was required or recommended
[04:37:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> hm
[04:38:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g> This custom domain has been working fine to my knowledge at least until 2026-03-05
[04:40:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g> if the recommendation is to migrate to `CNAME cf-lb.miraheze.org`, we can do so
[04:41:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> unfortunately that's about as far as my knowledge goes on this matter so i recommend opening a ticket on [[Phorge]]
[04:41:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge>
[04:41:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g> will do
[04:41:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> no harm in trying my simpleton theory
[04:42:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g> if `mw-lb.@` is properly broken for custom domains it'd be good to announce that
[04:43:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> guess we'll have confirmation if it fixes it for you
[04:47:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> mw-lb should just point to cf-lb but I'm wondering if that extra layer does something funky (read as: i have no idea whats going on)
[05:05:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bb010g, replying to pskyechology> https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T15120
[05:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is anyone around for a bit of html/css advice o/ im trying to make a flexbox gallery but its not going well
[05:23:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> Depends on what you want it to look like. There are some examples on https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_make_my_wiki_mobile-friendly#Flex
[05:23:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i'
[05:23:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> You can also use a grid which in some cases work better than flex.
[05:23:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i'm not worried about making it mobile friendly yet i'm just worried about getting it coded
[05:23:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to posix_memalign> grid relies on images to be exact sizes, no?
[05:23:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> hold on. let me show you want i want vs what i have
[05:24:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> There's also https://strinova.org/wiki/User:PetraMagna/Flex_demo which is for images that are not evenly sized.
[05:24:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> well
[05:24:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> that's easy obtainable with flex-grow
[05:24:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> BUT
[05:24:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] this is what i have rn. two flexboxes that are the same height despite having content with different heights
[05:24:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485509612009689220/image.png?ex=69c22022&is=69c0cea2&hm=593a4e84910429ba0864cf9161f91d28eb381f88a5a33e203e54ab8942937618&
[05:24:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] iii. want something like this
[05:24:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485509628572995634/276d0a9d3cc625bc21516e4c1ac28146d438ae2d_2_1024x500.png?ex=69c22026&is=69c0cea6&hm=096c2a20a4284799393366447a96f08d7a024fc0504739f51a894a9028febf69&
[05:25:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> the html/css is very basic but i can send it
[05:25:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it
[05:25:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh my god i keep hitting enter way too early. here <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Sandbox>
[05:26:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] If you set the direction of the flex box to vertical you'll get something like what you have in the picture?
[05:26:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] If you want a robust solution it'll be a lot more complicated though.
[05:27:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ideally i want a gallery like what pinterest has where each image fits nicely with one another regardless of size
[05:32:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> AH WAIT I THINK I'VE FIGURED IT OUT MAYBE
[05:38:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] almost
[05:38:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485512934951092345/image.png?ex=69c2233b&is=69c0d1bb&hm=69464f162ea6dfb4aaf645956d130c168e2ac75d4f6691860bcf4f524f5f1d7a&
[06:00:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh my god im. really stupid right now how would i make a template for this :pensivesob:
[06:01:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> to where it can be just one image or it can be like 83947934
[06:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone, replying to nyxxed> Do you want to setup tabs, so that you have buttons you can press to swap which images are shown? Or are you looking for a gallery view that condenses the images into one location, but allows you to bring up an enlarged copy of the image?
[06:11:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to nyxxed> Omg sis if u manage to figure this out do lmk I been trying to do this
[06:11:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> an enlarged version of the image would be nice but that's not what im asking :pensivesob: i have no idea how to make a template that is literally just a box. and then. you can call on template2 to add an image and then you can keep calling on it to do multiple images
[06:13:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> @ascendedone ^ forgot to reply
[06:14:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone, replying to nyxxed> Would you want something like this but for images? Tabs that you can click on to swap which image is being shown?
[06:14:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485522104194568293/image.png?ex=69c22bc5&is=69c0da45&hm=b6013b1357d17414d63d52fe0c401d3fa446da411a6baf174ef13eabad8d3a4e&
[06:14:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> n. no. that is not what im asking.
[06:15:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone> Are looking for some good template for a gallery view of images? Or something else?
[06:15:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> brother
[06:15:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to nyxxed> .
[06:16:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I'm trying to figure out how to turn what i coded into a template 😭
[06:16:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> [1/6] {{Template1
[06:16:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> [2/6] | 1 =
[06:16:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> [3/6] {{Template2|...}}
[06:16:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> [4/6] {{Template2|...}}
[06:16:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> [5/6] {{Template2|...}}
[06:16:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> [6/6] }}
[06:16:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone, replying to nyxxed> Ah okay. Have you created a template page?
[06:16:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Template 1 is just `<div style="..."> {{{ 1 | }}} /div`
[06:16:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> i think they talking about how to make their masonry layout a template
[06:16:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> :stress:
[06:16:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> -# am i miscommunicating something
[06:16:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> [1/2] like this
[06:16:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485522710699180142/image0.png?ex=69c22c55&is=69c0dad5&hm=60a33e9b04b653c8940368dee0d69688453d5a6bbb31a71b9bf7d5af7f14a19a&
[06:16:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone, replying to nyxxed> Yeah, sorry I missed a portion of the conversation.
[06:19:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to posix_memalign> what would template two look like? would it look the same but be `{{{ 2 | }}}` instead?
[06:20:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone, replying to nyxxed> [1/2] Would it help if you had an example of a template?
[06:20:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone, replying to nyxxed> [2/2] Heres one of mine if you just want the syntax for it. I believe it needs to be on a "template:" page
[06:20:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone> https://forestrike.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:GuideInfo?action=edit
[06:20:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> Depends on what the HTML structure looks like for each individual image.
[06:20:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> its literally just a <div> with an ID on it
[06:21:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> its literally `<div id="name"> (image goes here) /div`
[06:21:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> everything else is on the css
[06:21:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone> Why don't you link to your template?
[06:21:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> because there IS no template because i dont know how to make it
[06:21:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> which. is why im here
[06:22:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone> Create a template page then?
[06:22:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> Then it's just `<div id={{{1|}}}>[[File:{{{2|}}}|200px]]/div`
[06:22:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Something like that. You probably want to quote it and all.
[06:23:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> Sounds like you need https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates, though TBH it is written more like a reference manual than a guide.
[06:24:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah probably thank you 😭 i don't know how i've gotten so far
[06:24:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i've made templates but its legitimately been months
[06:25:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh does #css not work on templates
[06:26:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> templatestyles is easy it was just a temporary lol
[06:35:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> @posix_memalign I AM ON MY KNEES KISSING YOUR FEET THANK YOU <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Sandbox>
[06:36:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> wait
[06:37:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] nooo 😭
[06:37:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485527779079491584/image.png?ex=69c2310e&is=69c0df8e&hm=ff02573d11bded74ecb84d4186c82befb9481d2bce6fe214bbf8b9b7d75bd335&
[06:37:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh its just bc there was a line break
[06:37:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> god damnit :wensive: oh well
[06:39:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> YAYAYAY IT WORKS THANK YOU!!!! <333
[06:41:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Congrats! If you have empty lines on pages like https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:CharGallerySub it'll result in extra `<p>` tags.
[06:43:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ohhhh thank you so much 🙇
[06:45:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> OK YAYAYAY ITS ALL FIXED THANK YOUUUU <333
[06:50:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to whostacking> the closest you can get is manually sizing each container using css grid . I'm just using CSS columns . it achieves the pinterest-esque style i was going for
[06:51:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> i thougbt u could do display grid-lanes
[06:51:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i have no idea
[07:27:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> There's also https://github.com/desandro/masonry if you're fine with a bit of delay.
[07:29:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i appreciate it but i think i've got it figured out :) this is good for the time being
[07:29:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oooh wait
[07:30:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> im not sure how this would work with a template like what i have
[07:34:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> but i think this would be what @whostacking was looking for
[07:40:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh no
[07:40:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh no oh no this is not the time to want to restyle the wiki's entire skin
[07:45:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> Usually templates are responsible for producing HTML that the JS expects. If the JS expects raw HTML elements that will get filtered by the parser you'd need to use JS to create raw HTML.
[07:49:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I fear for my sanity
[07:50:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I may or may not want to change the wiki skin...
[08:33:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to posix_memalign> [1/2] is there a way to move these
[08:33:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to posix_memalign> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485557179082739712/image.png?ex=69c24c6f&is=69c0faef&hm=e0b4c1c84bd72b4fbc1228c6a081940514470f90c2f5317b747a36fedac77e0e&
[08:52:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> With JavaScript (and a bit of CSS) you can. It's done on https://pizzatower.wiki/ for example.
[08:52:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> coolio i'll look into it thanks
[08:54:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> actually it looks like it's entirely with css
[09:01:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <endrinstone> This uses the timeless skin, I believe? The mediawiki article for timeless has an example of css code to move the right sidebar to the left. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless#One-sided_navigation_menu
[09:04:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> bless
[09:05:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to endrinstone> thats good cuz im on timeless LOL
[09:10:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Oh that is very nice then. Won't cause any FOUC.
[09:11:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> im just trying to figure out why ?debug=2 doesn't want to work
[10:47:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to nyxxed> this looks amazing
[11:20:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to nyxxed> [1/2] this sounds like you want CSS masonry layout https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Guides/Grid_layout/Masonry_layout
[11:20:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to nyxxed> [2/2] Although reading that page seems like it's not got widespread support
[11:22:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Isn't this just a flex into rows? 🧐 Or am I missing something obvious
[11:23:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to originalauthority> [1/2] after reading the whole thread looks like they got it
[11:23:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to originalauthority> [2/2] Thing about flex is that all the items need to be the same in one dimension as far as I'm aware, i.e. if flex-direction is row then all items in a row will be the same height
[11:25:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> but if you use CSS columns alongside the flexboxes it works fine seemingly?
[11:25:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Yes
[11:25:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> This was definitely designed by someone who thinks using JS as a backend language is a good idea
[12:49:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> [1/2] any idea how to get this shortcut text in citizen's sidebar
[12:49:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485621620423786617/image_2026-03-23_084933245.png?ex=69c28873&is=69c136f3&hm=c6f9fa3ac47e7aa9ae0af5f455182da68c0e8d637fc8d654f77bb1d26c6d705a&
[13:13:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to tangoer_man> I think it gets done by javascript based on the `accesskey`
[14:09:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I just whacked css columns on it and called it a day
[14:10:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> Hey um is the css broken for anyone else .. ? <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page>
[14:14:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <endrinstone, replying to nyxxed> I only see default timeless and in-line styling, yeah
[14:18:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> Uhhhhhhhh oh god
[14:19:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> Any help I could get 😭? <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Timeless.css>
[16:06:21] <Crystalite13>	 seems quieeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[16:08:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> is it just me or is cargo always just weird
[16:08:26] <Crystalite13>	 yeah
[16:08:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I havent messed with it yet
[16:08:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> i want to bite it legit
[16:08:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> oh my god
[16:09:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> i recreate the tables and leave it for 2 days
[16:09:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> and yet the replacement table doesn't match with the original table
[16:09:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> rahh
[16:09:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> 😭
[16:10:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to potatoesaregood1> let's hope Bucket doesn't have the same issues (when they finally merge Random's patch)
[16:10:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1, replying to thewwrnerdguy> what
[16:10:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> oh
[16:10:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> well still i do not know how to fully recreate the damn table
[16:11:52] <Crystalite13>	 idk what cargo even is but I still hear people being confused over it alot
[16:12:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> how do you even do this mirahezerelay thing
[16:12:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to thewwrnerdguy> what is Bucket
[16:13:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to kai84> WeirdGloop's own extension
[16:13:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> what does it do
[16:13:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> i assume its not their own anymore if its being talked abt here
[16:13:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <endrinstone, replying to nyxxed> I'm pretty you're missing a closing curly brace `}`. Try adding one right after the code from Inkipedia.
[16:14:00] <Crystalite13>	 y0u uhhhhh
[16:14:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to kai84> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:TheWWRNerdGuy/sandbox2 contains a current draft to put onto [[help:structured data]]
[16:14:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:Structured_data>
[16:15:09] <carrots>	 why does this thing look so scary
[16:15:13] <carrots>	 haha
[16:15:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to endrinstone> Wild yeah that fixed it thanks. I have a hard time with the brackets
[16:16:03] <Crystalite13>	 mwahh hah hh
[16:16:59] <carrots>	 damn
[16:17:09] <carrots>	 crystal left
[16:18:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to thewwrnerdguy> oh i see, very interesting thanks
[16:19:47] <carrots>	 what do i do now
[16:20:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> yeah what do I do now
[16:26:04] <carrots>	 okay i talk to myself
[16:26:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> yo wsg
[16:26:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> jk
[17:02:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] oh no :wensive:
[17:02:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485685083238170714/image.png?ex=69c2c38e&is=69c1720e&hm=a589e1fc0d167954af41b9c66c9d6f5f10220e561c69d818ee5901f65cddaa68&
[17:02:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <newcinemalabyrinth> cloudflare...
[17:02:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh it seems fine now
[17:02:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> lmao i just spent like 5 mins
[17:02:38] <Crystalite13>	 huh
[17:13:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <volcanojungle, replying to nyxxed> me too 🗣️
[17:14:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <volcanojungle> ah it's back
[17:14:59] <Crystalite13>	 j
[17:36:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to potatoesaregood1> dark magic
[17:36:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1, replying to prabhasxd> crazy
[17:36:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to potatoesaregood1> 🤫
[17:36:47] <carrots>	 but i do know how to perform dark magic
[17:36:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> Shit.
[17:36:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1, replying to nyxxed> i just had this
[17:37:14] <carrots>	 oh come on don't say curse words
[17:37:20] <carrots>	 it's not positive :(
[17:37:33] <carrots>	 omg it appears as an emoji on my side :sob:
[17:37:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to carrots> um.. um... dang...
[17:38:03] <Crystalite13>	 yay
[17:38:05] <Crystalite13>	 :)
[17:38:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> no the joke is that its supposed to be offensive
[17:41:26] <Crystalite13>	 ;)
[17:41:30] <Crystalite13>	 ;O
[17:41:32] <Crystalite13>	 :O
[17:41:44] <Crystalite13>	 >:)
[17:41:50] <Crystalite13>	 >:}
[17:41:56] <Crystalite13>	 >:|
[17:41:58] <Crystalite13>	 :|
[17:42:01] <Crystalite13>	 :0
[17:42:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> Explode
[17:42:23] <Crystalite13>	 >:(
[17:42:28] <Crystalite13>	 >:(
[17:43:09] <Crystalite13>	 uno reverse
[17:43:22] <Crystalite13>	 domain expansion
[17:43:34] <Crystalite13>	 swap of serenity
[17:44:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> uhh uhh shadow clone jutsu
[17:44:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> bro what the hell
[17:44:54] <carrots>	 what the hell is going on :sob:
[17:45:11] <carrots>	 damn why does crystal keep leaving
[17:55:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Sigh. So, how goes Miraheze?
[17:56:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.lordkelsier> [1/2] Hellooo, what are usually the most common causes from this happening to the Logo?
[17:56:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.lordkelsier> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485698892233179246/image.png?ex=69c2d06a&is=69c17eea&hm=1c1044aeec91f6ce1008ce753acac5695d50552079ec9f718c2e1de072954184&
[18:04:10] <carrots>	 picture not found perhaps?
[18:04:24] <carrots>	 wait i have discord what am i doing
[18:04:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> sometimes the browser doesn't load the image properly
[18:05:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> prob picture not found or just a classic page refresh will do
[18:05:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to .lordkelsier> browser just not loading img properly. refresh should fix it
[18:06:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.lordkelsier> Refreshing didn't help, clearing cache didn't either, and it's been like that for days, with multiple different images attempted
[18:11:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crisurbae> hey yall
[18:11:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crisurbae> i need help
[18:11:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crisurbae> how do i make my singles template not show a chronology if there's not an album linked
[18:11:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crisurbae> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485702643568349204/infoboxsingle2.txt?ex=69c2d3e9&is=69c18269&hm=738e494ed24d151d23d61b4780d213c8dbbb47b2db8be4937e0fe1bcf33e38aa&
[18:20:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crisurbae> https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-burning-robert-helpmann-markiplier-getting-over-it-rage-gif-1734552878806861009
[18:20:57] <Crystalite13>	 hi
[18:21:19] <Crystalite13>	 Markiplier burning Robert Helpmann Markiplier getting over it rage gif?
[18:34:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> [1/2] hey guyz how to remove this thing (the main page and discussion buttons)
[18:34:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485708423684427846/image.png?ex=69c2d94b&is=69c187cb&hm=2e2739a16eceeec9f64be6412cc7f472d98ade184f43b008b1caf49c15e3aa37&
[18:35:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> css display:none them out
[18:35:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> oka
[18:37:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to xqct> use inspect element to find the classes
[18:37:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> and then display:none; or visibility:hidden;
[18:37:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> 🙏
[18:39:44] <Crystalite13>	 hello
[18:47:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> the tf do i add a tooltip to an image... :pensivesob:
[18:53:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to nyxxed> [1/2] just add a caption:
[18:53:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to nyxxed> [2/2] `[[File:example.jpg|caption]]`
[18:54:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is it caption= or do i just replace caption with the text
[18:54:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to nyxxed> replace
[18:55:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> btw you can always test things out on [[Special:ExpandTemplates\]] first
[18:56:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh... oh my god.... what...
[18:56:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i've been copy pasting it into my sandbox
[18:59:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> you'll get the hang of it
[18:59:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> omg 😭 every day i learn something new and i've had this wiki for over a year
[18:59:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> better to start learning later than never learn at all
[19:00:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ur so right
[19:00:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> for ExpandTemplates do I just throw in what i wanna edit and it just expands it all
[19:02:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to nyxxed> it's like a sandbox, yeah. it doesn't save your history tho
[19:02:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ooohhh
[19:02:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh this is such a game changer THANK YOU
[19:04:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ah you can't edit the output to preview it though bummer
[19:13:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to ccxtwf> this.. does not work actually
[19:16:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to nyxxed> [1/2] works here
[19:16:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485718883372634162/image_2026-03-24_021621272.png?ex=69c2e309&is=69c19189&hm=e95f5b269bdf037a020ea27e1c8b96908de5f47aa206fde612633e590f880917&
[19:16:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> erm
[19:17:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah no
[19:18:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh wait
[19:19:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> firefox is just weird
[19:19:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> okay yes it works
[19:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> [1/2] guys i cannot find citizen am i doing something wrong?
[19:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485728432498147388/image.png?ex=69c2ebed&is=69c19a6d&hm=01669b8bf05949f5a2068bbae3bb5b357da968dddef588dec884cba45775b285&
[19:56:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_arawynn> you might have to add it to the skins available to your wiki
[19:56:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> Oh ok
[19:57:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> yay
[20:27:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza> Any good advice on how to make friends and how to not forget to talk to them ? ;-;
[20:41:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon> [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485740289015550075/image.png?ex=69c2f6f8&is=69c1a578&hm=939033e52d20def89de35e533413c084eb34e3a392ccff9c41092cee041525fe&
[20:41:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485740289393164560/image.png?ex=69c2f6f8&is=69c1a578&hm=1686107c6841bd45ed96e884fb2871fe0731ef172b95f5f40540f5ad4d6eebd3&
[20:41:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon> The Famepedia guy found our community wiki
[20:42:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sloveneanon> has anyone else had this happen to them?
[20:48:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone> How would you set it up so that links lead to specific entries on a table within a page?
[21:00:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane, replying to ascendedone> [1/3] In your table, set a row ID, then in your hyperlink to the page, include it after a hash
[21:00:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane, replying to ascendedone> [2/3] So with this syntax, assuming this row "Verdant Fields" is on a page named "Habitats," your link would be `[[Habitats#Verdant_Fields]]`
[21:00:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane, replying to ascendedone> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485745073445670993/Screenshot_20260323_165659_Kiwi_Browser.jpg?ex=69c2fb6d&is=69c1a9ed&hm=89d0bb717bb51106c4ffbb1837cf0194cf8abcc1bf6075be16d2832d1824e3c1&
[21:03:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> [1/3] how can I get the width of my wikis paegs to what battle cats did?
[21:03:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485745827832922142/image.png?ex=69c2fc21&is=69c1aaa1&hm=f5272473dc0dda23e43187e348e1057294f2ffde72c70c2518fa56c64d16b12f&
[21:03:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xqct> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485745828344758412/image.png?ex=69c2fc21&is=69c1aaa1&hm=bd23e5973596d594f645cc554c79e9c8ce19b2a75d7f54aa3cef07a15ae39710&
[21:18:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> I love how ever since WikiMedia Foundation created Vector 2022, you can expect to see variables of it on skins that do not support variables
[22:00:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crisurbae> [1/2] https://ronanjeanpaul.miraheze.org/wiki/roro68210
[22:00:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crisurbae> [2/2] my fave article i've ever written (it's the second one)
[22:32:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> me when.. me when js doesn't work like its supposed to..
[22:32:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> bootstrap why must you do  this to me
[22:32:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> does js register quicker than css does
[22:40:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] like it literally is not working i will cry LMAO 
[22:40:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Tooltip> / <https://getbootstrap.com/docs/5.2/components/tooltips/#custom-tooltips>
[22:40:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .uraza> Alas no, feel ya on that second part, I know a lot of cool people I just do t chat with for lack of a good reason to reach out and text. But these are not things with easy answers :p
[22:41:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza, replying to pixldev> Yeah ik I asked more as a joke that could get good answers ^^
[22:42:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza> Bc actually the friends supposed to help me with my wiki don't do anything
[22:42:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza> ;-;
[22:42:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Ah
[22:42:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to .uraza> start turning it into their special interests thats how i roped my gf into it
[22:42:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> LMAO
[22:43:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh my god what im i doing wrong with this js
[22:45:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] 🫠
[22:45:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485771418535985273/image.png?ex=69c313f6&is=69c1c276&hm=faad50836c3c604f3384e654dca4ca8a66dced4fddeabdd060eff730b8d1f008&
[22:45:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza> Idk I'm a noob in js ;-;
[22:46:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza, replying to nyxxed> Good idea
[22:46:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza> Will try
[22:46:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to nyxxed> because for some reason i can't style the tooltips with css
[22:51:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to nyxxed> haha you put a space at the start of the line mediawiki will crucify you
[22:52:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to .uraza> well I mean if you "asked as a joke" then I'd say lock em in your basement, that way it's impossible to forget because of all their screams
[22:52:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to thewwrnerdguy> no it doesn't work regardless of formatting :(
[22:53:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] this is how it renders on one line
[22:53:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1485773396699517009/image.png?ex=69c315ce&is=69c1c44e&hm=0472d3962b698aa070f77043516a8bfd2c9a4de86de86dd9ba823ff6e57759d9&
[22:53:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to nyxxed> oh yeah button doesn't work
[22:53:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> .
[22:53:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> :(
[22:53:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> how do i edit tooltips then auuguh
[22:53:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> change it to a div ig
[22:54:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> hm
[22:54:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> the tooltip doesn't work
[22:54:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is there a way to edit default tooltips
[22:55:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza, replying to thewwrnerdguy> No I already do that and they give up screaming all time after 2-3h and stop screaming at all after 6months
[22:56:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza> Approximatly
[22:56:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> 😟
[22:59:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza> a:patpat:
[22:59:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza> Dw I give them plushes
[23:01:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> im still going insane over tooltips
[23:01:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> HOW DO I EDIT THEM
[23:01:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i dont want them to look like that
[23:04:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> girl have u considered floatingui or simpletooltip extension
[23:07:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to nyxxed> so true 😭
[23:08:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to whostacking> i. yknow actually i did consider simple tooltip but i couldn't get it to work so maybe I'll look into that again
[23:11:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to .uraza> hmm I think you need a visit to my basement it's always lively there. I'll let stay as long as you want, maybe even longer
[23:13:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.uraza, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Fine for me you pay the taxi ?
[23:14:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to .uraza> yeah, I'll invite the taxi driver inside as well!
[23:16:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jakeukalane> hello. We have a new domain. We want to apply the domain and the miraheze.org to redirect to the domain. What I have to do, or read to do this? Thank you
[23:16:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [[custom domains]]
[23:16:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [[help:custom domains]]?
[23:16:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains>
[23:16:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:Custom_domains?action=edit&redlink=1>
[23:23:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to whostacking> how do i do this without having a THIRD nested template 😭 because oh my lord
[23:23:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> ?
[23:24:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> so
[23:24:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> wait i may have figured out formatting
[23:24:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SimpleTooltip
[23:27:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah i know i just
[23:28:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ugh
[23:28:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i need actual help for some reason but this is the template page <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:CharGalleryMain> and I'm legitimately just trying to get a css tooltip that pops up over the image😭 (or also known as {{CharGallerySub}}
[23:29:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/CharGallerySub?action=edit&redlink=1>
[23:29:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oops