[00:00:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [1/2] still hasnt changed
[00:00:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490139052370952243/image.png?ex=69d2f7a3&is=69d1a623&hm=82e495654c7a7829dcc8fc3fdf3a033add47ab3f0e65ad55f1905e1f504fe0da&
[00:00:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [1/5] ```a:where(:not([role="button"], .new, .mw-selflink)), a:where(:not([role="button"], .new, .mw-selflink)):visited, .vector-pinnable-element .mw-list-item a:not(.mw-selflink):visited, .vector-dropdown-content .mw-list-item a:not(.mw-selflink):visited 
[00:00:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [2/5] {
[00:00:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [3/5]     color: var(#f7e06d);
[00:00:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [4/5] }
[00:00:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [5/5] ```
[00:01:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> is this correct?
[00:03:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> on top of that its still not displaying correctly when i log out
[00:03:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490139835564949504/image.png?ex=69d2f85e&is=69d1a6de&hm=fa7d438eabea4906ec1ebc6a9b752e5966d41b39c978f6c1a2c7b6e78eceb8e8&
[00:03:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> now it reverts to this
[00:04:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> i dont get this
[00:04:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to keeper_s3> that's confusing, https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/Battle_Cats_Wiki?useskin=vector-2022 works fine
[00:04:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> i have it both set to vector
[00:04:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> why is it still doing this
[00:06:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> can i just make a new wiki instead and scrap this one
[00:06:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> i think its better if i start anew
[00:07:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> you can request a wiki reset on [[phorge]] but maybe wait 15 minutes then check on private mode if it works
[00:07:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge>
[00:08:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> its saying Username or password are incorrect.
[00:08:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to keeper_s3> oh wait I'm dumb remove the `var` so it's just `color: #f7e06d;`
[00:11:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490141778953896066/image.png?ex=69d2fa2d&is=69d1a8ad&hm=cd4eb81db7f514cac55927b0162a99388e0b3325466d423639b8794ae4b8a88f&
[00:11:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490141788453863556/image.png?ex=69d2fa2f&is=69d1a8af&hm=6a119fc651531e09611ab872038917b08b0ef623cc1a3732d1f5c8d1d2b51a4a&
[00:14:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> caching we love caching
[00:18:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> i did delete cookies too
[00:18:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> so idk why this is happening
[00:22:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> It's happening bc cache is annoying, just gotta wait for it to update
[00:30:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to thewwrnerdguy> just to make sure @keeper_s3 you definitely removed the `var`
[00:33:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Why not change the variable instead
[00:34:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> V22 uses variables for pretty much everything it seems much easier to change those rather than chase all the selectors
[00:39:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to kockaadmiralac> the variable gets used in a silly amount of places iirc
[00:39:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> it's not like the background colour which you can change once and be done with it and not affect anything else
[00:41:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to thewwrnerdguy> looking at it, maybe that's a citizen problem
[00:41:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Yeah some of the variables are a bit silly I guess but I feel like it's more of an exception than a rule
[00:41:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I think buttons on V22 used some strange variables but I don't remember much else
[00:47:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3, replying to thewwrnerdguy> hold on
[00:48:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> yes
[00:48:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [1/5] ```a:where(:not([role="button"], .new, .mw-selflink)), a:where(:not([role="button"], .new, .mw-selflink)):visited, .vector-pinnable-element .mw-list-item a:not(.mw-selflink):visited, .vector-dropdown-content .mw-list-item a:not(.mw-selflink):visited 
[00:48:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [2/5] {
[00:48:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [3/5]     color: #f7e06d;
[00:48:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [4/5] }
[00:48:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <keeper_s3> [5/5] ```
[02:45:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> I'm confused... one of them is the one PidgiWiki actually uses, while the other seems to be based of an old version of it.
[02:46:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> But I guess it's cause Metrolook is based of Microsoft's Metro design language, while the other one is the one Microsoft currently uses.
[03:31:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> yes, pidgi uses fluent, metrolook looks different
[04:26:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <afterglou> its been a while since i did something with Miraheze
[04:26:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <afterglou> i will need to spend some time reviewing things
[04:26:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <afterglou> i dont remember like anything at all
[04:46:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto> [1/2] Hi everyone, quick question, is there a page where I can change the text in the footer? I want to change this link's text and destination. I'm using Vector 2022 if that helps. Thanks!
[04:46:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490211006646063276/image.png?ex=69d33aa6&is=69d1e926&hm=a72b09b05a5ed2def5a6c08d0ae3145038d5af1492d8cd33b12c9a824a3615fd&
[05:53:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to kockaadmiralac> [1/2] yeah that did not work at all
[05:53:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to kockaadmiralac> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490227978540683354/image.png?ex=69d34a75&is=69d1f8f5&hm=63ef9102e27751fae3182b55124bab08f5a36866f1d4e9cd0400f1fb15b653bd&
[05:54:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to rebecca_miyamoto> edit mediawiki:aboutsite and mediawiki:aboutlink
[05:56:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to prabhasxd> i suggest turning to simplebatchupload
[05:57:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to honoka55> how is it better than msupload if i may ask
[05:57:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to prabhasxd> it has no stinky text
[05:58:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [1/2] also you have to go to a specific page to upload files
[05:58:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [2/2] and most of my wiki's editors are used to going to any random page and just adding the files to upload
[05:58:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> you can customize what to add to the file description pages for the multiple files you're uploading
[05:58:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to prabhasxd> so you prefer in-page batch upload function?
[05:59:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to honoka55> [1/3] well yeah
[05:59:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to honoka55> [2/3] i dont wanna go to some specific page to upload it
[05:59:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to honoka55> [3/3] thats mostly why i prefer msupload because i can go to a random page, open up the editor, and drag and drop my files to upload
[06:00:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> [1/2] there does exist something that you don't even to open up the editor and literally upload multiple files on any page but it also has other functions that you may not need..
[06:00:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490229648817389711/image.png?ex=69d34c03&is=69d1fa83&hm=e24d907716b03586c5475bc37da542cd41f4bc3e5cfc94722e8ad6bf45e3e0ca&
[06:01:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is there a bot / extension for general use that allows wiki edits to be posted into a discord server
[06:01:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> [1/2] (ofc including editor pages)
[06:01:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490229986379169902/image.png?ex=69d34c53&is=69d1fad3&hm=0486dc3b727ef14a45017ac81542981fbb9d2f6c233fe31c9aa064ffe9305568&
[06:02:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to nyxxed> do you mean something like #dev-feed ?
[06:02:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yes! but it doesn't have to be like, as specific down to the second. even daily or weekly
[06:03:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> then you may need to implement one yourself
[06:03:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> miraheze's default ext only as specific down to the second
[06:03:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> im ok with that ! im just saying it doesnt have to be
[06:03:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> set `$wgDiscordAdditionalIncomingWebhookUrls` in managewiki
[06:07:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> btw here's how to get a webhook url: https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/228383668-Intro-to-Webhooks
[06:09:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> https://tenor.com/view/dance-emoji-earnest-durr-durr-emoji-gif-4959115213144916000
[06:09:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> [1/2] is there a way to have this image positioned upwards.
[06:09:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490231969739444224/image.png?ex=69d34e2c&is=69d1fcac&hm=4753ea80c0de8e86de97c4d1a70b30ddc310373d5d5efb5c533e2946b3b8805b&
[06:10:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> i am cool with it being aligned left but i want it to be a littttle more
[06:10:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> how often should I use #support
[06:10:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> is it better than asking #general
[06:10:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to honoka55> Oh, thank you!
[06:23:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to raychewlol> can i have a link to your wiki? the code, even? is it a [[File:]] or an <img> tag or is it a div with a background?
[06:33:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol, replying to nyxxed> this is preview but i can show you the code
[06:33:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> currently
[06:33:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> it has changed a lot within 23 minutes
[06:33:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> just a link to the page
[06:33:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> https://amoguses.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[06:34:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meep567, replying to raychewlol> You can keep simple questions in #general. I mean you could use both for your support needs as needed.
[06:34:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> you're so reassuring meepeygamer567
[06:34:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> in these trying times
[06:35:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0, replying to rebecca_miyamoto> Hi, Becca!!
[06:35:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meep567> just doing what I can
[06:35:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to albany_prim0> Hi Albany! How's your wiki experience so far?
[06:35:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> So far it's pretty decent! Some parts of making wikis are confusing, though. 😵‍💫
[06:36:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to albany_prim0> What did you get suck on?
[06:36:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> SEO optimization
[06:36:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> Said it "Couldn't fetch"
[06:36:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meep567> The fun part 🙏
[06:37:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [1/2] Oh, and this part. I wanna change these lol
[06:37:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490238897270296747/image.png?ex=69d354a0&is=69d20320&hm=95f42ebaccd8fdadc645aa424f15d4c88cd528da3f3736feb3505eb0afb8e455&
[06:37:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to albany_prim0> Ah, yeah, getting stuff to show up there is annoying
[06:39:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> Yea...
[06:39:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to raychewlol> [1/5] are you keeping the 
[06:39:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to raychewlol> [2/5] ""generic badge hunt game
[06:39:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to raychewlol> [3/5] thanks Beatriz999gamer for making the Amodus and a lot of other scripts
[06:39:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to raychewlol> [4/5] thanks supersonic5331 for absolutely nothing"
[06:39:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to raychewlol> [5/5] - NotTheGatekeeper, 2021"?
[06:40:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> because. it being there is your issue. it would be easier to move it somewhere else in the page content itself than to fiddle around with css margins and positions
[06:42:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol, replying to nyxxed> yes
[06:42:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol, replying to nyxxed> ah
[06:43:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it depends on what you want
[06:43:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> it was intended to be before everything else as an ode
[06:43:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> to how old and senile the game is
[06:43:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> hold on then
[06:43:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> i'm holding my horses
[06:43:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meep567> [1/2] Is there a way to change the flower image that DiscussionTools uses?
[06:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meep567> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490240487301451836/image.png?ex=69d3561b&is=69d2049b&hm=a0b8abf265eac751bfb39ec6646c649656c2756152a5cdf4375c69724f45f6d1&
[06:45:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meep567> I came here to ask this actually lol. I haven't been able to find a fix for a bit.
[06:46:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to raychewlol> why are you not using a templatestyles sheet for this instead of using inline css is my other question
[06:46:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol, replying to nyxxed> i've never used it and i have no idea how to work it
[06:47:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> inline css ❤️
[06:47:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> i'm an oldhead
[06:47:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> inline css really limits your customizability
[06:47:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> all this newfangled jazz
[06:47:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i can help you out with templatestyles if u want?
[06:47:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> i'm about to hit the hay
[06:47:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ah
[06:47:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> how often and how intricate does it get
[06:47:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> to where i need to use template styles
[06:47:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> 😭
[06:47:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> um
[06:48:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> is it like it'll build into a helpful culmination of styels
[06:48:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> its literally <templatestyles src= "NAMEHERE\styles.css" /> ... on whatever page you want to use it
[06:48:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> once you get further into miraheze development
[06:48:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol, replying to nyxxed> ah
[06:48:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> i see
[06:49:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to raychewlol> well.. it means you can make small CSS sheets that you use mainly within templates, or on other pages. hold on
[06:50:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to meep567> [1/2] change this class' background
[06:50:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to meep567> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490242158983254126/image0.jpg?ex=69d357aa&is=69d2062a&hm=07fd92daebbfc358311e2a1808e9c0bf73df3c38f102394af80a45ecb4901574&
[06:51:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to raychewlol> [My main page ](<https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page>)uses a templatestyles sheet and i tried to avoid too much inline css. you can access the css at `Template:Main_Page\styles.css` . The Template: page needn't even exist. [Here's the link to it tho](<https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Main_Page/styles.css>)
[06:51:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> and you can see on the main page, i just call on <templatestyles> for it and then its done. it helps everything look cleaner
[06:52:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> but it also requires you to know CSS + how to do basic html stuff like assigning named classes and ids
[06:52:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to prabhasxd> Interesting, can you link to that wiki
[06:53:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol, replying to nyxxed> i do that
[06:53:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> maybe i'll try it....
[06:53:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> u totally should! i'd be down to help you whenever you get into it. it makes everything so much easier
[06:53:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> you're so helpful nyxxed
[06:53:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> in these trying times
[06:53:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> 🫶 i like to be helpful when i can be. i've learned a lot about htmlcss since first starting my wiki
[06:54:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> when i started.. i didn't even know how to select a class vs an id in CSS ..
[06:54:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raychewlol> i learned it from neocities
[06:55:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i learned inline html from toyhou.se and ye olden days of DeviantArt. TH has bootstrap so my wiki runs on bootstrap for my own ease of mind. and then once i started up my wiki i started learning css. im still learning but i know a decent bit
[06:55:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0, replying to nyxxed> [1/2] yo nyxxed!
[06:55:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0, replying to nyxxed> [2/2] how'd you change the color of like... uh
[06:55:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> infoboxes
[06:55:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> uh it depends on what kind of infobox you're running\
[06:56:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [1/2] I think it's just a normal infobox. IDK
[06:56:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490243607419027487/image.png?ex=69d35903&is=69d20783&hm=57ec4207c36e9b50601a9f83c857c6687d2f5ada779ed8af43c1cebae7cb0fda&
[06:56:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/3] Here's my [character infobox](<https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:CharInfo>). the CSS is in the templatestyles
[06:56:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/3] I made it with portable infobox so it was pretty easy to select and mess around with stuff in inspect element.
[06:56:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [3/3] if you did it with html then you just assign ids and classes and edit it as you would anything else
[06:57:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> Ohhh
[07:00:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is there any way at all to force portable infobox to render lua inside of it or do i just have to change everything to html infoboxes :ugh:
[07:02:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Yeah you can use <format> in your infobox fields to do anything
[07:02:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> how .. how do..
[07:02:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is it just <format> (lua code) /format?
[07:03:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> <format>{{#invoke:My module|func|{{{param}}}|blah}}/format
[07:03:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> omg..
[07:03:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ok before i get excited let me try this
[07:03:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> It takes any wikitext
[07:05:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> There's also <default> which appears when you don't specify the parameter for that field and also takes any wikitext
[07:06:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> would i change the data source or would i wrap the data source
[07:06:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/19] it looks like this currently:
[07:06:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/19] ```
[07:06:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [3/19] <!-- Birthday -->
[07:06:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [4/19]    {{#if:{{{birthday-year|}}}|
[07:06:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [5/19]    <data source="birthday"><label>Birthdate/label{{#invoke:PPEAgeCalc|birthday
[07:06:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [6/19]        | day = {{{birthday-day|}}}
[07:06:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [7/19]        | month = {{{birthday-month|}}}
[07:06:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [8/19]        | year = {{{birthday-year|}}}
[07:06:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [9/19]        | era = {{{birthday-era|PPE}}}
[07:06:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [10/19]    }}/data
[07:06:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [11/19]    }}
[07:06:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [12/19]    <!-- Age -->
[07:06:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [13/19]    {{#if:{{{birthday-year|}}}|
[07:06:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [14/19]    <data source="age"><label>Age/label{{#invoke:PPEAgeCalc|age
[07:06:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [15/19]        | year = {{{birthday-year|}}}
[07:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [16/19]        | era = {{{birthday-era|PPE}}}
[07:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [17/19]    }}/data
[07:07:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [18/19]    }}
[07:07:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [19/19] ```
[07:07:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations> does anyone know how i can change my whole wiki to the color scheme of discord dark mode?
[07:07:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> do it with css idk
[07:08:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations> how would i do that tho idk css or what elements r called and when ive tried to change them in the past they havent worked
[07:08:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> that depends on the skin you're using
[07:08:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> what is it. uhh [[Help:CSS]] ?
[07:08:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:CSS>
[07:09:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> start there and w3schools
[07:11:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> freecodecamp and frontendmasters have good content as well (although it goes well beyond css)
[07:16:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations, replying to unai> i thinkk im using the defauly one
[07:17:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> Then the dark mode thing is mostly just user preferences by that point
[07:18:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> Lets see
[07:25:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to nyxxed> [1/9] ```xml
[07:25:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to nyxxed> [2/9] <data source="birthday-year">
[07:25:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to nyxxed> [3/9]     <label>Birthdate/label
[07:25:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to nyxxed> [4/9]     <format>{{#invoke:PPEAgeCalc|birthday
[07:25:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to nyxxed> [5/9]     | day = ...
[07:25:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to nyxxed> [6/9]     | ...
[07:25:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to nyxxed> [7/9]     }}/format
[07:25:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to nyxxed> [8/9] /data
[07:25:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to nyxxed> [9/9] ```
[07:28:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations, replying to cascalade> a lotta the wiki images work better with it so id like to have it be forced to the specific colors
[07:29:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> You could add some outlines to the images
[07:30:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations> ive done that to a couple but its harder for art i didnt make when ppl dont want that
[07:32:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to meep567> `.ext-discussiontools-emptystate-logo { background-image: <url of your image> }`
[07:32:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> https://criticalrevengeancewiki.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector-2022.css?action=edit
[07:32:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> You can also add outlines with CSS but it's a bit finnicky
[07:33:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> There's a config variable for setting dark to default does ManageWiki not have that yet
[07:33:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to cascalade> @ivyanimations so anyway you can go and see this one as its pretty much setting the light mode to dark mode colors
[07:33:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations> thank u !
[07:33:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> how client preferences work is that uhh
[07:33:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations, replying to kockaadmiralac> no it like fucks upsome transprent images
[07:34:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> guest users by default has light mode or no theme so its just light mode
[07:34:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> they cant change their theme too and needs to be signed in
[07:34:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to kockaadmiralac> nvm actually it's not a config variable it's just setting the default option
[07:35:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> `$wgDefaultUserOptions['vector-theme'] = 'night';`
[07:36:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> But yeah not in ManageWiki
[07:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations> idr like the default dark mode colors i wanna chose my own
[07:38:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> discord midnight mode 🗣️
[07:38:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> have fun customizing the colors there to fit your liking
[07:38:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> as you can see i just used color scheme for the default dark mode there
[07:38:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations, replying to cascalade> also good colors
[07:39:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations, replying to cascalade> ill test it out tmr i just got in bed 🥹
[07:40:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> also play my minesweeper
[07:42:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations> 🫡
[09:18:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> does the size of a css page dictate how long the cache takes or is the cache just evil
[09:31:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> I believe it's based on when it was last cached? That's a guess though. But there's always the purge button.
[09:46:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> purge button is not working i fear fam
[09:47:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> `?debug=2` on the URL?
[09:47:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> has never worked
[09:52:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> I'd guess there's something else going on there then. Does it work when you're signed out?
[09:53:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> naur it just takes a while to catch up
[11:13:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> The size of a page has no impact on caching expiry times
[11:27:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> only thing that matters is login status
[12:36:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <piggypig> Hi
[12:55:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> i wonder why
[12:55:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> also hi
[14:39:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivyanimations, replying to cascalade> this doesnt apply to infoboxes how would i fix that?
[14:41:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to cascalade> if you don't like light mode then use [[dev:always dark mode]]
[14:41:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/always_dark_mode>
[14:53:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> crazy
[15:01:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain, replying to yzxs> Alrighty
[15:01:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain> thanks
[15:04:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain> Whats the stuff on top of a page that kind of like a box but def not an infobox (i think in site like wikipedia it used to flag a page as stub or subject for deletion?)
[15:06:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> they have a hardcoded inline style attributes which css cant really override so im guessing !important can override it
[15:07:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> infoboxes that is
[15:07:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> let me test out things a bit
[15:08:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> unless theres some styling you can do on infoboxes im unaware about uhh ill just try forcing it on css
[15:16:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to kockaadmiralac> https://itemasylum.miraheze.org/
[15:17:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <meep567, replying to honoka55> I was able to figure it out from a previous reply. I appreciate the help though. Thanks yall!
[15:17:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to theonewhoeatmountain> they are called message boxes, or mbox
[15:17:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain> Ahhhh
[15:17:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain> Do i make them the same way i make module or template?
[15:18:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> its a template yes
[15:18:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Developers_Wiki
[15:18:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> can find on here
[15:20:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to cascalade> also this function is an abomination https://criticalrevengeancewiki.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js#L-22
[15:20:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> why does it wait on wikipage.content
[15:20:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> you're just asking for motion sickness
[15:20:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> and it should be in Renderblocking.js
[15:24:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Do you think adding an option to ManageWiki to change those default options would've been better
[15:26:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> that sounds like a good idea
[15:26:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> for both `vector-theme` and `minerva-theme`
[15:31:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> yeah bro why is it not an option
[15:32:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> ok im /j
[15:33:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Will probably PR it someday, no promises tho
[15:34:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to prabhasxd> Did that user change their language from English to something else
[15:34:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Do you mind if I upload something to test
[15:34:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to kockaadmiralac> uh
[15:34:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> no?..
[15:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to kockaadmiralac> yeah sure
[15:37:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> [1/2] MsUpload wants me to upload that file so much it placed four upload icons
[15:37:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490374708498272416/image.png?ex=69d3d31c&is=69d2819c&hm=3bc466cc0b32c71ae1d3c29f7188ef81a851626fd062afc29c407766343a7c0f&
[15:38:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Can you check which summary I used for File:Bigeyes.png
[15:38:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Should be empty
[15:40:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to kockaadmiralac> [1/2] what the fart theres nothing
[15:40:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to kockaadmiralac> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490375603696701641/image.png?ex=69d3d3f1&is=69d28271&hm=05796fb3edb54a244c1cc0fd7f08a94aed2215e32d9a86a1d6d3cb8cb3f7de42&
[15:40:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> yeah that 4 icons thing is
[15:40:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> weird
[15:41:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> well i guess the change i made to msu-comment worked????? just now??????
[15:41:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> what???
[15:41:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> If that user changed their default language it might be that's the reason why the summary is localized for them
[15:42:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> what about changing skins
[15:42:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> they use the legacy vector skin
[15:42:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I don't think there's a separate message for other skins
[15:42:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> hm
[15:42:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> well okay
[15:43:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> ty
[15:45:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <donowatdo> https://youtu.be/OUyObHggRj0?si=TeX3f3yKWbG0FJ-T
[15:48:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [1/2] bro who is this 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
[15:48:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490377614211416246/image.png?ex=69d3d5d1&is=69d28451&hm=8517b1c1a12dc490f8d27e4affed0da04b311ae3642466fce94a7c366eb741e6&
[15:54:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> very probably someone who accidentally entered your wiki
[15:54:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> if it's not shown on rc it's not actually an account created on your wiki
[16:03:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to honoka55> not asking abt that lmao this username is fucking killing me 😭
[16:03:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> LOL
[16:08:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> People enjoy having odd usernames sometimes lol
[16:10:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [1/18] okay so you can add this one (im assuming you are using portable infoboxes
[16:10:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [2/18] ```css
[16:10:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [3/18] .portable-infobox {
[16:10:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [4/18]     --pi-background: #101418;
[16:10:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [5/18]     --pi-secondary-background: #202122;
[16:10:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [6/18]     --pi-border-color: #72777d;
[16:10:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [7/18]     color: #eaeaea
[16:10:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [8/18] }
[16:10:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [9/18] .portable-infobox .pi-data-value,
[16:10:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [10/18] .portable-infobox .pi-title,.portable-infobox .pi-header {
[16:10:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [11/18]     color: #eaeaea
[16:10:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [12/18] }
[16:10:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [13/18] .portable-infobox .pi-data-label {
[16:10:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [14/18]     color: #a2a9b1
[16:10:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [15/18] }
[16:10:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [16/18] ```
[16:10:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [17/18] honestly you can just see the source of your infobox by selecting it and you can manipulate stuff there and you can add it on your css now lol
[16:10:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to ivyanimations> [18/18] also using div class works too but i guess you are wanting default infoboxes to look like yt
[16:10:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> yeah inspect element it
[16:11:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> portable infobox uses its own css variables (--pi-background, --pi-secondary-background, --pi-border-color), so you just need to override those
[16:12:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> though im not sureeeee about infobox as a whole, still the idea is to override those css variables from the styles
[16:13:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> okay then ill die now
[16:23:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> And I'm all for it
[16:32:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0, replying to cascalade> Wait... can you even color full-fat infoboxes...
[16:39:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade, replying to albany_prim0> i mean yeah i think, just try to inspect element
[16:39:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> then you can uhh try to see if it works
[16:39:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> just gotta find which variable does it
[16:40:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> hm, alright...
[17:03:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <q38wf, replying to prabhasxd> I cant send gifs
[17:03:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <q38wf> Who is he? Gif
[17:03:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_, replying to q38wf> #verify
[17:23:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to q38wf> Idk
[18:15:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <q38wf, replying to _chrs_> yoo i just got 50 channels for free thank you bro
[18:18:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thatonetrollingguy, replying to hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Ik im really late but ty
[18:42:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto> [1/5] Hi everyone, is it possible to add something to a specific page that changes its background image? For example, page 1 would have a set background image of red, page 2 would have purple, and neither would be set to the common background.
[18:42:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto> [2/5] Example below (Normal / Common, 1, and 2)
[18:42:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto> [3/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490421474614448230/image.png?ex=69d3feaa&is=69d2ad2a&hm=791957d0eefbea4f2c96e969f28e73c1486d5316fd91b6c50648dc9383085711&
[18:42:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto> [4/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490421475004383373/image.png?ex=69d3feaa&is=69d2ad2a&hm=5fee2cc91f3d0536861a857d5a79d0d468e82f3919d9fa82d6b421e54796e7f4&
[18:42:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto> [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490421475747041421/image.png?ex=69d3feaa&is=69d2ad2a&hm=0214f3694c6972a586c932b4809e4ddbda91c8e831f7303973b65d2604a9ed58&
[18:56:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto> Or would I have to do it the hard way and apply changes to each page in common CSS?
[18:57:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to rebecca_miyamoto> [1/2] Theoretically if your background code calls some parameter which can be set at a page level then I think yes?
[18:57:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to rebecca_miyamoto> [2/2] But I don't know whether the code that does background allows for that.
[18:57:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> I've never touched frontend code myself so I'm making an educated guess based on other languages I'm familiar with.
[18:58:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to rebecca_miyamoto> [[dev:Template:Background]]
[18:58:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Background>
[18:59:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I'll take a look at this and see if it helps!
[19:11:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [1/2] It kinda works? Makes all of my other elements look strange though
[19:11:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490428796392968352/image.png?ex=69d4057b&is=69d2b3fb&hm=93362fcda3434b8e3593cd138af480552d8ea19dd091d8ddfc71576c8ee338d9&
[19:13:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [1/2] Actually nevermind, fixing it was really easy, thanks!!!
[19:13:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490429215416258813/image.png?ex=69d405df&is=69d2b45f&hm=6461ecbd8a2ea973b1e8b1acf0a674f55c8ad33ca9db0cec3fcb5bb100280e81&
[19:13:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto> common CSS my beloved ❤️
[19:18:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto> Now I just have to iron out some of the issues
[19:36:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to rebecca_miyamoto> Template:Background comes with some opinionated default CSS which might conflict with what you already have. Looks like you already figured it out though.
[19:44:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to posix_memalign> [1/4] Another quick question, if you don't mind.
[19:44:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to posix_memalign> [2/4] Would you happen to know if there a way to disable/edit the color overlay? I want it to be transparent whether or not it is in light mode or dark mode, but it is currently appearing as white and black. I'm not too familiar with how the light/dark modes work, so I don't really know where to start.
[19:44:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to posix_memalign> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490437040897134895/image.png?ex=69d40d29&is=69d2bba9&hm=f2d36d53bb7f21886a0d17bcc866dfd7058828efa51174259c95601c64f7945f&
[19:44:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to posix_memalign> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490437041375281332/image.png?ex=69d40d29&is=69d2bba9&hm=53bba8fa6cb2462b9ecffd065e85a3e493539fa920e9288e2b0d4edbea23e00e&
[19:45:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to rebecca_miyamoto> [1/2] Take a look at https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Background#CSS_variables
[19:45:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to rebecca_miyamoto> [2/2] This particular overlay is controlled by `--gadget-bg-overlay-opacity` which you can set to 0.
[19:49:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rebecca_miyamoto, replying to posix_memalign> That did the trick, thank you so much!
[20:32:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sscaide> Is there a working alternative to the Lingo extension? The description sounds like something that would be incredibly useful for my new project, but it's currently disabled for being broken
[21:20:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <q38wf> what do you guys think of this image
[21:20:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <q38wf> [attachment]
[21:22:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Your image didn't image.
[21:26:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to q38wf> whats your thoughts on Metrolook
[21:47:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to bartomelow> I’m a fan
[21:48:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I might use it for Wiki of 2000AD
[22:04:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to amelialoveheart> Would you mind sending the link of that wiki?
[22:14:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] guys.... after like... hours of fighting with CSS and JS .... i have finally made a custom (ish) header-bar for timeless... 😩
[22:14:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490474654668685522/image.png?ex=69d43031&is=69d2deb1&hm=3f563c293818d414bb39f48e5c97e79f29679a81bbe4bd55205f2ef2a6c21210&
[22:15:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to nyxxed> Watch as the next MediaWiki version somehow breaks that
[22:15:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i. will. fucking. SOB
[22:15:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I went from 2am - 8am and then again from 4pm - 6pm ... 😭
[22:17:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] it's not perfect on smaller screens but it's. usable! i might just make it smaller
[22:17:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490475394208497714/image.png?ex=69d430e1&is=69d2df61&hm=3f3fa528d2c488babc2a340b38c6d60f25d14c043966f2ea8c75c8f7f84b3db7&
[22:17:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> idk i used to love how the sidebars look with timeless but I'm liking how they look less and less
[22:18:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> and changing to and restyling a new skin honestly feels harder than just... moving them with JS
[22:18:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> but if I change my mind it's not exactly hard to revert at least
[22:20:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] Up there, once I'm one, will display
[22:20:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] Main Page | Admin | Page Tools | TOC | Categories
[22:21:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to nyxxed> wiki link?
[22:21:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page> . I know it's a matter of viewpoints but i seriously cannot be assed at this point in time. its a thing i know i can do later 😭
[22:22:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> (it might not be displaying 100% properly. the timeless.css takes fkin forever to load)
[22:22:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [1/2] erm
[22:22:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490476875284480000/image.png?ex=69d43242&is=69d2e0c2&hm=75cd9de9388e2a057d44d98a7bdc001693c576e5b69a489ea3ea96e373d833ae&
[22:23:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah there's a margin pushing it off-screen . im. waiting for the css to update .
[22:24:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> nice to know the top bar works tho ! LOL
[22:25:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to nyxxed> I recommend the Refreshed skin (if you want to easily customize it, obviously).
[22:25:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I don't like how refreshed looks
[22:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Hm, what other skins are you fond of?
[22:25:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> literally only timeless
[22:25:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i have looked thru the skins 😭
[22:25:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> I see.
[22:26:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I also just.. I don't want to have to redo all of my styling again
[22:26:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> That's understandable, really!
[22:27:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Doing something you're proud of, just to have to recreate it all again is a tiring process (and a boring one too).
[22:27:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> and tedious!!
[22:27:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i dont want to have to mess around with margins and padding and class this and class that again . :pensivesob:
[22:31:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> The "[Fluent](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Fluent)" skin looks nice, it even comes with a built-in dark mode! However I'm not so sure if the skin has support for the MediaWiki 1.45.3 version.
[22:37:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> it does notttt
[22:37:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zdvascwse001> guys im new and i want somone with mic to play with and guide me
[22:37:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> sorry this is miraheze the business professional area
[22:37:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> you are in the wrong area
[22:38:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to nyxxed> [1/2] hmm
[22:38:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490480695867478186/image.png?ex=69d435d1&is=69d2e451&hm=e352d6912fa5d19380e4f6ae988fd64d6f99a5b42f607de10abe702d10ab4536&
[22:38:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zdvascwse001, replying to whostacking> sorry i know its bothering to guide somone but i dont have any freinds to play with
[22:39:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to thewwrnerdguy> im live-editing it right now. i know.
[22:43:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to thewwrnerdguy> its fixed now lel
[22:43:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> now i just have touchups to do
[23:00:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to bartomelow> i'm in love with citizen, after some tweaks
[23:00:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> like adding a sidebar bakc
[23:00:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> citizen became too frustrating the more i wanted to do .. hence my move to timeless . but it is a nice skin if you can figure it out
[23:01:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i think i just wasnt very well versed with css at the time\
[23:01:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> yeah Citizen does some advanced CSS so it's not easy to restyle
[23:03:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Citizen looks nice but every time I go where tf is my edit button
[23:03:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> How do I get to Special:Random
[23:04:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I don't know if it's just me but the custom loading animation makes it feel sluggish compared to other skins
[23:06:28] <Noobyguy775>	 MirahezeRelay: you can use the url bar or Special:SpecialPages but idk if thats what you're asking
[23:06:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I'm not asking I know how to do it
[23:07:14] <Noobyguy775>	 MirahezeRelay: you mean in the skin ui?
[23:07:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I'm just saying Citizen is a bit unintuitive in that regard
[23:07:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Gosh, I hate MediaWiki's Special:Search page
[23:08:24] <Noobyguy775>	 I guess, but it also is a lot less visual clutter, plus I think most people don't use those buttons enough to have them displayed on every single page
[23:08:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490488379882606793/image.png?ex=69d43cf9&is=69d2eb79&hm=187f962d26c709775780e5765eb1b6f03081799b508cbfae78bd51d3c8a19da3&
[23:09:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Oh yeah I guess if you move it to the sidebar it makes a lot more sense
[23:09:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to kockaadmiralac> alt+shift+e
[23:09:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> yes
[23:09:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> i don't like the menu bar
[23:09:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> for tablets it makes sense maybe
[23:09:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> but not in desktop
[23:09:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Never worked for me unfortunately
[23:09:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> and sadly it's a design choice they made lol
[23:09:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Opens some random Chrome menu
[23:09:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to unai> Yeah
[23:09:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> <https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/issues/276#issuecomment-786433545>
[23:10:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to kockaadmiralac> have you just been using no keyboard shortcuts this entire time?
[23:10:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> lachlan replied there with a nice stylesheet that brings the sidebar back and I "borrowed" it :^)
[23:10:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> alt+shift+e doesn't work for me on base vector 2022 because the access key is duplicated
[23:10:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> No I just carry my FandomKeybinds script with me everywhere I go
[23:10:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Which lets me just use E
[23:10:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> And P and T and H and W
[23:11:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> I have never liked Citizen
[23:11:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> It just feels off
[23:11:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> I find myself pressing e when scrolling a page normally so I prefer the bindings being slightly out of the way
[23:11:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> i'll make it pretty
[23:11:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> it has a solid base
[23:11:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> it's just too weird by default
[23:11:57] <Noobyguy775>	 I'm conditioned to alt tab whenever I use fandom keybinds because it takes that long to load
[23:12:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to thewwrnerdguy> same here
[23:12:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> I prefer keyboard shortcuts for some things but I don't use any on wikis
[23:13:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [1/3] yeah Citizen has:
[23:13:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [2/3] - good mobile support (without horrifically mutilating every good feature like Minerva does)
[23:13:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [3/3] - dark theme support
[23:13:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> which is why I think it's the best skin to make as your default
[23:13:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> and based on modern shiny stuff like OKLCH and CSS variables
[23:14:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I mean I guess if access keys ever worked for me I could've gotten used to them
[23:14:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> But like they broke on every browser I used so
[23:14:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to thewwrnerdguy> yeah i disabled the rest except vector and minervaneue
[23:14:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> I'm sorry for whoever uses cologneblue
[23:15:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to unai> we have too much legacy CSS to use those unfortunately so we had to make our own rebindings of many citizen variables to work with our old theming
[23:15:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> oh agree, mine is a new wiki so i start from a clean slate
[23:15:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> definitely wouldn't with a migrated wiki
[23:15:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to unai> I think I'm relatively considered to be unc status in this server, and cologne blue is still older than me
[23:15:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> and yes i agee with the edit button position, i was like "can i edit the mainpage?" "oh it's at the bottom.."
[23:16:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> I never even look at the edit button tbh
[23:17:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I feel like Citizen sacrificed some features for converting readers to editors for the sake of readability
[23:17:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to unai> we have 5 different skins all with different design philosophies
[23:17:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <progeest> [1/2] cologneblue is awesome guys! 😍
[23:17:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <progeest> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490490641824612525/IMG_5326.png?ex=69d43f14&is=69d2ed94&hm=efac23f9795312e1cfcc4282dadf4fae372301e3a961ea38b007d45ace307305&
[23:17:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Though I guess someone would have to do a study on how that affected the number of edits made
[23:18:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to bartomelow> Lack of proper refreshes on a lot of citizen wikis is off putting for me
[23:18:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to kockaadmiralac> yeah it is annoying when logged out and I have to manually edit the url to go to history like it's 1995
[23:18:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Not refresh… when you click another article and the transition is “too” smooth
[23:18:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> yes, page transitions
[23:18:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> which are not real
[23:18:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> so it looks off
[23:18:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> wait citizen has page transitions
[23:18:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> i just disabled them
[23:19:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> yes
[23:19:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <progeest> Doesn’t citizen just like fade the pages into eachother
[23:19:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I wonder why did they do that
[23:19:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> it has a small fade
[23:19:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> because fade transitions were all the rage years ago with SPAs
[23:19:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> I guess yeah
[23:19:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to progeest> yup
[23:19:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Feels unnatural when applied to something that isn't an SPA
[23:20:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> I've never seen the page transitions
[23:20:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> and you can get them even when you're not supposed to get transitions
[23:20:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> so basically citizen can be a really nice skin but you have to "tame the beast"
[23:20:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> am I just misunderstanding what a page transition is
[23:21:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> basically when you go from page A to B
[23:21:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> normally the page goes blank and it loads the new one right
[23:21:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> depends on loading speed
[23:21:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> so with page transitions, if it was a real SPA, you would stay in the same page with no blank page
[23:21:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> and there's a small transition like a powerpoint fade between both
[23:21:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> the thing is, citizen is not a real SPA so it just looks strange
[23:22:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> and UX is questionable
[23:22:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> maybe they're just disabled on my computer, do you have an example?
[23:22:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> citizen does by default so it's offputting
[23:23:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490492021222150204/20260405-2322-53.3096506.mp4?ex=69d4405d&is=69d2eedd&hm=6cdd36346e06878260d0d4bcd67f9db71a65d35d76654ee3c9c6197fb6369fda&
[23:23:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> notice the small fade
[23:23:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490492153619550460/image.png?ex=69d4407d&is=69d2eefd&hm=eaa0a99c620d3f9753df0c1d81ce0ce78258f6a03b1423187a732a8cccf4edc6&
[23:24:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> SPA?
[23:25:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> single-page applications, like a calendar app, email, etc.
[23:25:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <progeest, replying to unai> But how does it load these pages so fast ???
[23:26:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <progeest> It looks too good to be true
[23:27:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to progeest> It depends on the RAM I believe.
[23:27:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to unai> [1/2] okay yeah I think I have them disabled
[23:27:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to unai> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490493149175349369/20260405-2327-18.8821212.mp4?ex=69d4416a&is=69d2efea&hm=d5bf0255817353bd5145a718229a1a16ad8f11b2b096a2ef7f83562756a5d4c6&
[23:27:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> looks like they preload when you hover the page
[23:27:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to thewwrnerdguy> and the video doesn't work let's try again
[23:28:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <progeest> great video
[23:28:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1490493461604860055/20260405-2328-35.4284296.mp4?ex=69d441b5&is=69d2f035&hm=023589435ad8e3acc4effb82e8f9938fad6e5b4f0bc55651ed7e19009d8f7486&
[23:29:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> anyway the point is you can probably disable them with a browser setting
[23:29:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to unai> Must be why it chugs so bad on my PC lol
[23:32:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> oh nevermind, the preload on hover is for the popup
[23:33:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> ah! found it
[23:33:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> they use speculationrules API
[23:34:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> something Chrome invented so links will prefetch and preload before you navigate to them
[23:34:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> that's why it feels so smooth!
[23:35:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> the code <https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/blob/main/resources/skins.citizen.scripts/speculationRules.js> and the explanation of this API <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Speculation_Rules_API>
[23:48:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Hmm wait I vaguely remember Cloudflare having some speculation API
[23:57:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> thats a rather neat transition