[00:00:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> if anything uploading new versions takes more space since those aren't deleted
[00:00:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> "actually being used" is 100% my standard too
[00:01:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> I convert to JPG and let the server send WebP, AVIF or JPG
[00:02:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> And someday JPEG XL…
[00:02:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> coming to mediawiki 2050
[00:02:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> By 2050 we’ll have a Phorge task for JPEG XXL too
[00:03:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862, replying to pskyechology> no its 2026 dude
[00:03:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> u serious good darn it.
[00:03:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <smallam, replying to unai> This is definitely extremely good size-wise but I just don't really like jpg tbh. Kinda just want to preserve original image quality as much as possible and even at a high quality (95) it tends to still be fairly noticeable
[00:04:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <smallam> maybe that's just me though
[00:08:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to catbee0751_05862> Nah, the 2050 comment was sarcasm that was nesting a truth inside it
[00:11:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> namely the slow pace of mediawiki development in some areas
[00:12:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> The best sarcasm nests a truth inside of it. 😄
[00:12:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to pskyechology> Like the JS linter/sanitizer that will scream if you try anything modern
[00:13:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to unai> ES6 compatibility or death!
[00:13:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> But all due credit - software development is hard, and a big wobbly stack that is mission-critical + serves millions of views daily + also supports external use cases + has to account for all the odd edge cases is also hard.
[00:13:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to pskyechology> Glad my smart fridge is fully compatible with Wikipedia
[00:13:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> So I get why some things are slow.
[00:14:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> Agree, and we can write extensions for unique use cases or take it externally when needed
[00:39:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers, replying to unai> imagine if you're able to search up the wiki entry for grapefruit on your smart fridge
[00:39:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> (or is this possible already? i don't have any smart appliances so i have no idea what they can do)
[00:44:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Pretty sure that's possible but may require a little hacking of the smart fridge (has one smart appliance but that's a washer and wouldn't be able to look up grapefruit)
[01:48:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> hey so...
[01:48:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [1/2] I dunno how to expand this:
[01:48:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [2/2] "The article for {{PAGENAME}} is related to a member of the Dreamalong Team,"
[02:03:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> I wanna make it point out that it's for the staff of the team to write their own pages, and that only wiki staff can edit and/or correct it
[02:24:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> "...and is protected so only (administrators/moderators/whatever) can edit it. Please let us know of any changes that need made on their [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|the articles talk page]]."
[02:25:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> That work?
[02:30:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> Sounds good!
[02:33:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507209781491011724/image.png?ex=6a1111fe&is=6a0fc07e&hm=89c23e84cda154a307930deeb61003eb9f84c88e1271e1bdc753995db47c0f26&
[02:37:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Yippieeeeee
[02:47:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> What about disambiguations?
[02:51:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> The Developers wiki got plenty of [templates](https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Templates), including [Disambiguation](https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Disambiguation)
[02:53:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [1/3] How do I make a disambiguation page of, let's say...
[02:53:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [2/3] - Dream Along with Me (TV show i.e. in lore)
[02:53:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [3/3] - Dream Along with Me (the series itself as a whole)
[02:55:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> if you have one that's more common than the other, you can set it as the default name, and have a hatnote leading to a disambiguation page (or just straight to the other page, if you don't anticipate needing the disambiguation for other things)
[03:07:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <just_some_dude.91712> dude I come bac from playing DnD with my friends and all of the sudden, I check this server and I missed 1000 messages
[03:18:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to unai> dev wiki is goated
[04:25:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to just_some_dude.91712> > Nonchalant enters the chatroom.  Passive perception roll failed!  1000 messages await...
[04:26:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yeah, this is unfortunately common for me as well.  Sometimes it's nothing, sometimes it's a LOT of backreading.
[04:37:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> 96% forecast of tech having invented a new circle of hell via caching (misinformation)
[04:48:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> I will still blame caching
[05:04:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1507246603356868848
[05:04:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] NA receiving the least support in the board election is definitely not on my Bingo card since I predicted before the election that NA will get elected. I guess the volunteer perspective is different from the one held by users.
[05:06:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> As TS director/most active steward, I do a LOT of unpopular things, and with a voter pool of just cresting 500, not shocking.
[05:08:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13, replying to posix_memalign> just saw the annoucment
[05:08:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> we can soon add it to miraheze motnhly
[05:08:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> explodes because i need to do that stuff in like a week
[05:10:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] Yeah that'll be my guess as well. It's unfortunate that certain types of volunteering activity ends up being more popular than others. On the tech side removing features (e.g. extensions) will always end less popular than adding new ones.
[05:10:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] Maybe we should raise the edit count limit or something. I feel like 10 edits is not enough of an investment on the platform to have a say in the board election. And the wording definitely needs to be changed as well because the way voter eligibility was specified before makes it such a pain to count.
[05:15:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I think some cleanups to both qualification as voter and elections committee membership would definitely be in order.
[05:15:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud> a:CerberHype: I love elections
[05:15:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I'm deeply apologetic to @kiju1108  that this is now year 2 (or maybe 3) that they've essentially been the solo operator and that we didnt' clearly define who does what wen
[05:17:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers, replying to posix_memalign> am i misreading something? why does the announcement say that NA and Skye received the most votes then?
[05:17:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> The criteria for advancement is most votes of support at present
[05:17:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Not support ratio
[05:17:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> ah i see
[05:18:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> (As board secretary, I had to check that as well. 😄 )
[05:18:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> First time we've ever had to make that distinction
[05:18:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_> voting systems are a fascinating thing
[05:19:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> i abstained because i didn't know who to vote for since all the candidates seemed good so i wasn't even aware there was an "oppose" option lol
[05:20:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yeah, I would have won on total supports, net supports or % support including abstains, % support in announcements only includes supports or opposes
[05:22:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Gets me thinking on whether a ranked choice voting system might be worth looking at for future elections if securepoll supports it
[05:22:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_> [1/2] writing up rules on elections is legitimately such a relaxing thing to do imo
[05:22:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_> [2/2] because on one hand you have the two basic systems of plurality and majority and then if you want to do anything else you really need to think about it
[05:25:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_, replying to notaracham> would honestly recommend approval voting over rcv if that's something you're looking into bc this is a multimember race and rcv would mean doing stv which is a pain in the ass to tabulate / write down a legal definition of the tabulation rules + is proportional
[05:25:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> True
[05:25:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> That's what was kinda miffing me about it, so Chrs to the rescue with the good ideas
[05:28:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> oh yeeaahhhhh skye 🗣️
[05:31:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_, replying to notaracham> yeah, even if people wanted to do a proportional system then something simpler like cumulative voting would prob be better just given definition/tabulation complexity
[05:36:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <su35.flanker> boy I love preferential voting
[05:55:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to posix_memalign> NA being two votes away from not being on the board was surprising
[05:55:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> I would've been surprised if he didn't get in
[05:57:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to zipppee> It's me, the #1 enemy-maker
[05:57:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to notaracham> Well that's why it wasn't entirely surprising but still
[05:58:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> Aren't most of your enemies tsbanned or glocked anyway
[05:58:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Alts abound
[05:58:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> italian brainrot gang pulling up to oppose NA without even realizing I was on the battlefield ripping and tearing alts just as much
[05:58:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> skye (miraheze) slips under the radar
[05:59:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> In this house we appreciate the silent but deadly backup
[05:59:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> because the cabal sent NotAracham (Miraheze) to cover for Aracham (Miraheze) by deflecting blame
[06:00:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> the surprising gap in support ratio between skye and NA was very interesting though
[06:01:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> he forgot i had the vampirism trap card
[06:01:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> everyone just likes to larp as skye minions
[06:01:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> that's why
[06:02:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> next april fools gonna be april votes
[06:06:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_, replying to zipppee> see you jest and yet
[06:11:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to pskyechology> next april fools the farm is becoming skyeheze
[06:11:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> bonus points if it's a for-profit spin-off to fund my world skyeminionization
[06:12:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theobsidianguy, replying to zipppee> maybe because NA is a steward?
[06:13:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> equally so NA is someone I don't think mh would manage without
[06:13:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> it might be just my opinion but the work I see from him is very literally essential
[06:13:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> most of my votes probably come from stalking wiki discords
[06:13:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theobsidianguy, replying to zipppee> especially without Isai around anymore
[06:13:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> and I agree with zippy's take that NA is essential
[06:14:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> he's doing all this while running on fumes
[06:14:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theobsidianguy, replying to pskyechology> so do I
[06:16:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> smiles in 'burnt out since mid 2025'
[06:16:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Finally taking my own advice and balancing time, so hoping the next term can yield those benefits
[06:16:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> can we afford some gas for NA by 2027 please he is about to explode
[06:17:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to pskyechology> oil prices went 📈
[06:17:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> restrains some very silly but not PG-13 jokes about my expensive nature
[06:18:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> guess we're 70 year old fast food fryer used oil-maxxing now
[06:18:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> (i dont think anyone uses oil that long but it would probably be an insane biogas)
[06:19:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Fun fact: My house has been sans-direct biofuels since 2020
[06:19:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> (And I have been terrible at maintenance.  Just had to declog the heatpump fins)
[06:19:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> i hope the declogging is satisfying at least
[06:20:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to pskyechology> There was some shouting and happy cursing involved, yes.
[06:20:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> i was imagining r/feltgoodcomingout levels but i'll take it
[06:21:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to notaracham> This has been a very cathartic 'vacation'
[06:22:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to pskyechology> I'm underselling it, it was a pretty happy moment to finally turn the tides on entropy
[06:22:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> hell yeah
[06:41:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> @pskyechology damn you got over 450 supporters, you're speedrunning Miraheze ranks at this point haha
[06:44:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iputmypcinthefridge> :stare:
[06:47:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> April Fools incident
[06:47:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> The sect was real
[08:22:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dianliang> does this mean that in your voting system abstaining is just another oppose
[09:06:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862, replying to iputmypcinthefridge> go ur offtopic.
[09:07:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iputmypcinthefridge> huh
[09:07:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> what
[09:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [1/2] GO YOU OFFTOPIC oh my sake. 
[09:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [2/2] #Skye's Catgif Emporium
[09:09:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> https://tenor.com/t0MG9YS2p7P.gif
[09:10:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862, replying to prabhasxd> can you shut to flip up?!?!?!
[09:10:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to catbee0751_05862> just because there's a cat doesn't mean it has to be in that thread
[09:10:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to catbee0751_05862> i am beyond confused
[09:10:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> also skye hiiiiiiiiiiii
[09:10:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> they doesnt know.
[09:11:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iputmypcinthefridge> Gang what
[09:11:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> hi pc
[09:11:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iputmypcinthefridge> Hello
[09:11:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> hello prabhas
[09:11:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [1/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507309875095404554/IMG_1445.jpeg?ex=6a116f36&is=6a101db6&hm=41d6de48108cc1f24114967edfe90634aa6cfff5b541f3db42b4110c5b27eec7&
[09:11:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [2/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507309875795984465/IMG_1448.jpeg?ex=6a116f36&is=6a101db6&hm=689d6bd39cbf3182e81b762a382f0bcf47cceebbbca456e01a9f52cd3e530cf4&
[09:11:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [3/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507309876521467987/IMG_1446.jpeg?ex=6a116f37&is=6a101db7&hm=1373676a12ce3284818b113cf1e0e646fcb2699430693725bf72cc16afc4fdd7&
[09:11:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [4/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507309877200949268/IMG_1447.jpeg?ex=6a116f37&is=6a101db7&hm=7735945e5d76daf3f9761d9a317ca7d8b099b148df72d4e59368ceb383a98a12&
[09:11:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [5/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507309878178480168/IMG_1449.jpeg?ex=6a116f37&is=6a101db7&hm=0fdf4f4c76c58e995045d2019629ae02c5265d6ab9a6e75b023d5355b4a4dc6b&
[09:11:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [6/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507309878954430504/IMG_1450.jpeg?ex=6a116f37&is=6a101db7&hm=0a519af0b8656ca693eb03e142244a5576ee4f7ad5c663ff9ffac76e6412ef2a&
[09:11:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [7/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507309879864328202/IMG_1451.jpeg?ex=6a116f37&is=6a101db7&hm=2e8f24ae04dd1430aa24a3b6a8f9599a484f61257e71b6b022d96b31c54130c8&
[09:11:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [8/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507309880602656808/IMG_1452.jpeg?ex=6a116f37&is=6a101db7&hm=ab6480d54940085594815c3dba889bb49cab785d6c011226f19ed7f44b98f208&
[09:11:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [sigma_cat](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1459334399849140224.webp?size=48&name=sigma_cat&lossless=true)
[09:11:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> Hi Samsung Smart Fridge
[09:11:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to pskyechology> hello famous person yahahah
[09:11:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> @catbee0751_05862 Please don't spam this chat with cat pictures
[09:11:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> oh sorry
[09:11:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> but what about gif?
[09:11:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iputmypcinthefridge, replying to unai> Hi
[09:12:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> what gif
[09:13:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [1/5] fine whatever im offline rn 
[09:13:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [2/5] I am leaving for you 
[09:13:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [3/5] As well Nothing question
[09:13:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [4/5] For not now
[09:13:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catbee0751_05862> [5/5] I am disspoint this server.
[09:14:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1334274710804107367/1424725709678575757/togif-24.gif
[09:14:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> oh wow they left the server
[09:15:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> i am forever perplexed by this
[09:15:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iputmypcinthefridge> What an odd interaction
[09:15:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> fr
[09:16:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elisapoly, replying to prabhasxd> Meanwhile, I'm stealing this and put in catgif thread
[09:16:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> too slow c:
[09:16:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to elisapoly> theif
[09:16:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> thief!!!!!!!
[09:17:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iputmypcinthefridge, replying to pskyechology> I dunno, seems like they got that one
[09:17:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [1/2] gotta go fast
[09:17:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [2/2] -Intel Dual Xeon GOLD 6138 @ 2.0GHz
[09:18:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to catbee0751_05862> Shakespeare reincarnation
[11:27:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> how long until skye has more roles than ca
[11:31:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> Quick question
[11:31:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> What happens if the edit is patrolled
[11:36:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I guess soon, I bet she'll speedrun steward rq
[11:40:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elisapoly, replying to albany_prim0> nothing happen. It only means that the admins will not see exclaimation mark on the page
[11:50:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [tuff](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1502705516806148187.webp?size=48&name=tuff&lossless=true)
[11:58:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to albany_prim0> If memory serves, it just means that the edit has been checked to make sure it's alright and doesn't need checking again.
[12:06:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <uberlandrep.> [1/3] Excuse me, can anyone help me?
[12:06:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <uberlandrep.> [2/3] About 5 days ago, we changed our wiki icon/logo image, but it still hasn't been approved yet.
[12:06:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <uberlandrep.> [3/3] Who should I contact or report this to for approval? 🙂
[12:24:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to uberlandrep.> what do you mean approved?
[12:24:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> can you share a link to your wiki?
[12:40:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Icon/logo changes do not require approval. If changes are not reflected within a few hours then the setting is probably invalid (e.g. using the wrong image URL).
[12:48:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> yo
[12:48:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> is there a regex filter list for slurs and such that miraheze uses?
[12:49:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> to block page creation whenever people bypass stuff like the hard r with a 1 or lowercase l instead of uppercase I
[12:52:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [1/2] Does anyone know how do I make a new video from a specific channel appear? Kinda like this from Pleasant Goat
[12:52:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507365540371365910/image.png?ex=6a11a30e&is=6a10518e&hm=e343945f66d085e83967a5b3028566f42f78b683481421d3719584d6348285d5&
[12:53:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29, replying to albany_prim0> probably ask @honoka55
[12:53:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> i think u have to edit it manually whenever a new one is uploaded though
[12:53:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> maybe you can automate it with a bot account
[12:54:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> Hm... does she work for the PG Wiki...? /genq
[12:54:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29, replying to albany_prim0> main person behind it as far as i remember
[12:54:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> Ahh
[12:55:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> Are they open for DMs? /genq
[12:55:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> you could just ping them here too
[12:55:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> iirc they're relatively active on this server so they'll probably see the ping
[13:03:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1507059083939942622
[14:13:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to albany_prim0> hi yes we use ci
[14:13:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to 90gq29> don't actually need a bot editing
[14:14:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <uberlandrep., replying to pskyechology> https://qualesterra.miraheze.org/wiki/Qualesterra
[14:14:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> @uberlandrep. #verify for links btw
[14:15:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> do you wish to use the (deleted) image as the site logo?
[14:15:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to albany_prim0> our source code is at https://github.com/PGW-MH/fetch-cpe-channel and https://xyy.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Renderblocking.js#L-203
[14:16:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [1/2] @uberlandrep. you linked https://static.wikitide.net/qualesterrawiki/2/29/2026_8_Qualesterra_V2_Logo_By_222.png
[14:16:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [2/2] yet `$wgIcon` is set to https://static.wikitide.net/qualesterrawiki/f/f8/Qualespedia_Logo.png
[14:17:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> i think you can directly fork it and change the channel dict to yours
[14:18:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0, replying to honoka55> Interesting! Teach me! (i suck at ts)
[14:19:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> consult any llm
[14:19:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> and don't forget attribution term of cc if you use our code. that's all
[14:37:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <axlolt.> Hi
[14:47:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Hey
[15:06:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Is it normal for svg files to lag browsers?
[15:06:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to amelialoveheart> god damn how big is it
[15:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> or are there like 72 of them
[15:09:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Just one and it’s like 50 kb
[15:09:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> are you applying any fancy css to it
[15:09:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> i guess you should just link it so we can all wonder
[15:10:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [1/4] <https://equestripedia.org/wiki/Rover_(Friendship_is_Magic)>
[15:10:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [2/4] 215 kb 
[15:10:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [3/4] <https://equestripedia.org/wiki/Gallery:Sweetie_Belle_(Equestria_Girls)>
[15:10:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [4/4] three svg files but none are more than a hundred kb
[16:19:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I’m willing to concede it’s some really specific issue with me because it doesn’t really lag other devices I tried
[16:20:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> no you're not crazy it's happening to me too but unfortunately have other priorities right now
[16:38:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to amelialoveheart> these pages load fine for me
[16:45:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to thewwrnerdguy> yeah they load fine but when scrolling it feels like 2009 again
[16:48:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to pskyechology> just get a potato then you never notice slow scrolling because every page scrolls slowly
[16:49:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> I had to enable safemode on fischipedia because my computer couldn't handle that wiki
[16:51:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> oh my god you poor soul i cant believe you had to ssh to mwtask181 with that
[16:52:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to pskyechology> Ohh gotcha, no worries then
[17:25:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to thewwrnerdguy> 😭
[17:26:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> do i need to enable any extensions/settings for css variables to work, or will they just work by default? the css parser is giving warnings about them
[17:28:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_, replying to sjsm> is this in site css or templatestyles?
[17:28:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_> if the former than you're fine
[17:29:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> just in citizen.css
[17:29:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_> yeah you're good
[17:29:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to thewwrnerdguy> ??? how
[17:29:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_chrs_, replying to _chrs_> don't worry about the css checker, it's pretty outdated
[17:29:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> ic ic
[17:30:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> would i need to do something differently to use variables in templatestyles?
[17:31:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to whostacking> theres 0 way u expect it to run well
[17:32:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> fischipedia pioneered an epidemic of blur slop roblox wikis
[17:36:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> my fault !
[17:44:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Indeed it us
[17:48:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> oooh gossip
[18:08:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <smallam, replying to _chrs_> template styles when the task is to not suck ass
[18:08:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <smallam> it's close to being good but the amount of stuff it doesn't support is insane
[18:10:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <charlicak35_> template styles supporting exclusively sanitized css is so fucking annoyint
[18:12:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Meh, I do evything in vector-2022.css
[18:13:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yay democracy!
[18:14:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> My thought process is skmple
[18:14:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> I try template styles. If it works, leave it as it is. If it raises a single error, throw it to Common.js
[18:15:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <smallam, replying to charlicak35_> I'm pretty sure you can't even use fucking variables in it????????????
[18:15:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> u can
[18:15:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <smallam> odd, might have to double check then
[18:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <smallam> https://tenor.com/view/blood-meowl-owl-cat-evil-gif-15321534596002019884
[18:16:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to smallam> u need the Extended extension
[18:16:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> which is available on managewiki
[18:16:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStylesExtender
[18:16:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <smallam> ah
[18:20:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Meh. No templatestyles for me
[19:05:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> yeah kocka had a fork that made templatestyles work in mediawiki namespace with no sanitiser which to me sounds like a good alternative
[19:36:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Let's fork it
[19:55:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to thewwrnerdguy> it also made it so only users with the editinterface right could use it
[20:10:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to kai84> well I mean that's just the mediawiki namespace
[20:11:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> plus I'm fairly sure you need `editsitecss` as well
[20:17:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <croomfolk> We are working on starting a wiki where the logo shows up on every embed instead of the article's media files. Is there any setting to fix this?  a bit inexperienced so I'm not sure how to make infobox images feed into embeds
[20:18:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <croomfolk> also apologies if this isnt the best place to ask
[20:18:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <croomfolk> here's an example of what I mean: https://projectsilverfish.miraheze.org/wiki/Metropol
[20:19:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <croomfolk> the article has images, but the embed uses the wiki logo instead
[20:30:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> [1/2] yeah yeah yeah
[20:30:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507480813153943552/8w90h54.png?ex=6a120e69&is=6a10bce9&hm=31464a4e6635cc345a6d22f494a1de54a81d892f54bddf1f489dea9b2ba06c75&
[20:32:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> I've made that long time ago on my own wiki.
[20:33:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> -# I have a knack of saving changes than previewing changes.
[20:33:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> [1/2] how do i add a background behind a navpill in js 
[20:33:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> [2/2] https://arsenalrefreshed.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:Navpills
[20:33:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> shown in main page
[20:40:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here, replying to daforest> Half the time when I do that's it's on accident bahaha
[20:56:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> [1/2] how do i change the color of these hyperlinks
[20:56:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507487245450612806/70wqk7x.png?ex=6a121467&is=6a10c2e7&hm=e85f24af42a9d8a582d6e6bf36a19a8ec05559949dceb560f4356970d26e6fed&
[20:57:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> whats ur wiki
[20:57:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> send link
[20:58:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> [1/2] its just 
[20:58:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> [2/2] ```div.(i dont know what sidebar's class is) a { color: white }```
[20:59:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> [1/2] > [a02aed08919cb127dc6449e4] 2026-05-22 20:58:13: Fatal exception of type "Error"
[20:59:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> [2/2] I love page forms but hate how it misbehaves
[20:59:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to nukesme> [1/2] snatched
[20:59:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to nukesme> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507488084852473996/t08w5qr.png?ex=6a12152f&is=6a10c3af&hm=18551aebe05708deb3d9c9342df11773c733463737c1ca1e4e6272c31df09592&
[20:59:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> it's derf.miraheze.wiki
[21:01:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> div #sidebar a { color: white;}
[21:01:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to nukesme> [1/2] tried to test that
[21:01:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to nukesme> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507488597626851328/p82q5nh.png?ex=6a1215a9&is=6a10c429&hm=2217e30019efd986f8da2877ea69e7449703a8d0ebe14f0f1f0ceac639719425&
[21:01:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [1/20] ```Call to undefined method SMW\DataItems\Property::findPropertyTypeID()
[21:01:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [2/20] from /srv/mediawiki/1.45/extensions/PageForms/includes/PF_TemplateField.php(170)
[21:01:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [3/20] #0 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/extensions/PageForms/includes/PF_TemplateField.php(201): PFTemplateField->setTypeAndPossibleValues()
[21:01:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [4/20] #1 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/extensions/PageForms/includes/PF_TemplateField.php(56): PFTemplateField->setSemanticProperty(string)
[21:01:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [5/20] #2 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/extensions/PageForms/includes/PF_Template.php(233): PFTemplateField::create(string, string, string, bool)
[21:01:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [6/20] #3 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/extensions/PageForms/includes/PF_Template.php(149): PFTemplate->loadPropertySettingInTemplate(string, string, bool)
[21:01:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [7/20] #4 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/extensions/PageForms/includes/PF_Template.php(96): PFTemplate->loadTemplateFieldsSMWAndOther()
[21:01:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [8/20] #5 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/extensions/PageForms/includes/PF_Template.php(40): PFTemplate->loadTemplateFields()
[21:01:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [9/20] #6 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/extensions/PageForms/includes/PF_TemplateInForm.php(56): PFTemplate::newFromName(string)
[21:01:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [10/20] #7 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/extensions/PageForms/specials/PF_CreateForm.php(116): PFTemplateInForm::create(string, string, bool)
[21:01:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [11/20] #8 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/extensions/PageForms/specials/PF_CreateForm.php(39): PFCreateForm->doSpecialCreateForm(null)
[21:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [12/20] #9 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(711): PFCreateForm->execute(null)
[21:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [13/20] #10 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1729): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPage->run(null)
[21:01:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [14/20] #11 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(500): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath(string, MediaWiki\Context\RequestContext)
[21:01:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [15/20] #12 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(144): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performRequest()
[21:01:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [16/20] #13 /srv/mediawiki/1.45/includes/MediaWikiEntryPoint.php(184): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->execute()
[21:01:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [17/20] #14 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(71): MediaWiki\MediaWikiEntryPoint->run()
[21:01:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [18/20] #15 {main}
[21:01:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [19/20] /wiki/Special:CreateForm
[21:01:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> [20/20] ```
[21:01:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> its this ```div #sidebar a { color: white;}```
[21:01:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> ok
[21:02:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507488822252802169/image.png?ex=6a1215df&is=6a10c45f&hm=34d3a24fe251dcd270347086c249c3397ac453b45d49d3964dcb38b29b39a7d7&
[21:02:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to pskyechology> thanks semantic mediawiki
[21:02:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> we love smw
[21:04:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to nukesme> weird
[21:04:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> but that's cool
[21:05:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> ik
[21:06:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> but on my end it's still deep blue
[21:06:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> does it take time
[21:09:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> making forms manually is annoying
[21:15:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> oh I can't even do that huh
[21:17:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> [1/2] > [d7b9313fdaf9f6d4cef613ea] 2026-05-22 21:16:26: Fatal exception of type "Error"
[21:17:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> [2/2] Page forms are no longer working at all and are impossible to use. This only JUST became the case after an attempt to make a new form.
[21:18:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> @paladox did I hear something about you working on semantic mediawiki and stripping out bloat. did you do something to findPropertyTypeID() and/or smw's interaction with page forms in general
[21:18:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> if it's deprecated then it's been removed likely
[21:19:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/blob/ce5510a95505cf33048a07c24919356524bce7c5/docs/releasenotes/RELEASE-NOTES-7.0.0.md?plain=1#L261
[21:19:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> well, Page Forms is non-functional with SMW without it even though Page Forms is a SMW extension
[21:19:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> PF will need to be fixed for SMW 7
[21:20:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> Making pages with forms worked as recently as this morning and no longer works after getting the error for the first time
[21:20:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> something must have gone very wrong
[21:20:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> Sagan 4 is dependent on page forms
[21:20:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> * `Property::findPropertyTypeId()` — use `findPropertyValueType()` (deprecated since 3.0)
[21:22:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> That does not help the fact that a huge chunk of the Sagan 4 wiki just broke and is no longer functional and is getting that error when you try to do forms-related things because I tried to make a new form
[21:23:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to nukesme> how did you do this
[21:23:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> my end still has the old hyperlinks
[21:34:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kuurubizu81> is mh down for anyone else
[21:34:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> yeah
[21:35:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ontio> Me too
[21:35:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> hello gang someone let db161 out of their cage
[21:35:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> our trusty blue techies are already herding them back
[21:35:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ontio> :DoneMH:
[21:36:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> wont be long and anyone fortunate enough to not be on it might be able to continue wiki-ing
[21:37:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thegrandeurstarcake> was about to get editing but that surely sucks to witness them roam out of the cage again 🐟
[21:38:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> FRIGGIN' GATEWAY...
[21:38:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thegrandeurstarcake> AND THAT WAS RIGHT AFTER EDITING..
[21:38:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> And I was hoping they'd edit the page I just GAVE THEM
[21:38:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <againwiththecamera> At first my images weren't showing but then I got the gateway message
[21:39:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thegrandeurstarcake> we are so back
[21:39:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aagoat_05290> best trait for minato other than monarch
[21:40:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> i can tell you that you're in the wrong place for that
[21:40:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> this is a support server for a wikifarm
[21:40:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <00ee8a> A few moment earlier I got a bunch of 500 errors, but it fixed itself, odd
[21:40:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <schnickenpick> Daily emerald wiki is down😭
[21:40:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> Dreamalong's down
[21:41:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <angyarqboi> Tribulation Down
[21:41:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thegrandeurstarcake> all the wikis i haunted loved are down
[21:41:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <schnickenpick> Bruh everything down
[21:41:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <anonkalya, replying to schnickenpick> Oh hello there
[21:42:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <anonkalya> I was here to investigate the same
[21:42:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> is there any way to disable light mode on citizen
[21:42:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> why can't I find information on what settings pageforms has I want to see if there's a way to stop it from interacting with smw
[21:43:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.h64> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507499094757867671/IMG_2533.png?ex=6a121f70&is=6a10cdf0&hm=b7ff5314a221bbd91aa97d4cf1a188d476506c45407c7e86d53a7309c9d662de&
[21:43:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.h64> uhhhh
[21:43:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <angyarqboi, replying to .h64> same's happening on mine
[21:43:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> give it a moment
[21:43:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to pskyechology> The issue is known
[21:44:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0, replying to amelialoveheart> Spill it, what is it... 👀
[21:44:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> No I mean the mods know about it and are working on it
[21:44:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> (i lowk dunno what emote I shold use and the eyes emoji makes it sond strange)
[21:44:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0, replying to amelialoveheart> oh
[21:46:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to disgustedorite> none of them look like they would force it to behave like smw isn't installed
[21:46:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> Seems PF has long been broken with SMW
[21:49:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ontio> Ok i can finally add comment to the reply
[21:50:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to paladox> the stupid thing was that I could use forms just fine and then I tried to make a new one, did not even succeed, and now everything is broken
[21:51:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/PageForms/+/1292256 should fix it somewhat
[21:51:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0> holy shit is the internet going to fucking crash, or is this just on my end
[21:52:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to albany_prim0> sorry your cables were very tasty
[21:52:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <albany_prim0, replying to pskyechology> :SM_ElmoEarl:
[21:52:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to paladox> damn that was quick
[21:54:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> it's still really bizarre that forms were working just fine until I got the error and things that had been working minutes before weren't anymore
[21:55:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> like. how does that work
[21:55:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> I mean I'm guessing it changed some internal value
[21:56:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> before seeing that patch I was looking up ways to trick it into thinking smw isn't installed lol
[21:57:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to pskyechology> TBH, you guys have to change the link in the "wiki undergoung maintenance" thing
[21:57:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bartomelow> to?
[21:57:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Like, word it better
[21:58:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> thats not gonna change anything
[21:58:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> when people complain at me about the wiki being down I direct them here for status updates
[21:58:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> was surprised I had to tell a fellow admin that I'm not in control of the wiki status tho
[21:59:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> we can put 432 warnings that this is not the server of whatever wiki you're from and we'd still get people asking where to nsfw mods for rimworld
[21:59:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> you jest but that happened
[21:59:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> wow my brains are fried
[21:59:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> ...can I see a screenshot
[21:59:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> -# Kay but where are they?
[21:59:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> no cause i sent them packing
[22:00:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> aw I wanted to see if people had funny reactions
[22:00:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to daforest> those with eyes to see will see beautiful landscapes everywhere
[22:01:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> waoh
[22:01:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to pskyechology> so THAT'S why my edits weren't working
[22:01:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> free range server trial
[22:02:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> there's a server I'm on with a "hire me hire me I have so much experience" spammer/bot problem and I like responding to them with genuinely complicated problems to see if they have a funny reaction before mods swoop in
[22:02:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to pskyechology> what
[22:03:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to disgustedorite> hello i am a broke destitute artist and i will pretend to socialize like a normal person for 3 seconds and then i will ask for your discord to peddle my non-existent art
[22:03:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to disgustedorite> i experienced some bots that suddenly join a server, send an invite link that claims to be a "support server" related to someone's issue, and just deletes the message after 30 seconds
[22:03:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> helo ur compooter has virus
[22:03:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> (another server I'm on used to get people coming in offering their AI illustration services and I always responded by challenging them to generate an accurate sauceback. they always give up.)
[22:03:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> i saw this happen in the balatro discord and they didn't do jack shit
[22:03:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> lemme double check
[22:04:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> The web world I dream for is a world where all skins use Codex vars and icons
[22:05:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to disgustedorite> (saucebacks are really hard for AI. it's possible to generate an ai sauceback, but the folks waltzing in with an attitude of "AI liberates art to the masses!" aren't gonna accomplish it)
[22:06:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> [1/2] yeah i called bullshit
[22:06:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> [2/2] it don't work
[22:08:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> [1/2] > Actually, sorry - before merging this in, let me ask: will this new code still work with SMW 6?
[22:08:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> [2/2] for change that happened in SMW 3
[22:08:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> (good on them to double check tho)
[22:10:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> PLLLEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEE someone actually help me that solution did nothing
[22:11:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> very patient it seems
[22:11:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to kai84> what
[22:11:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> who are you
[22:29:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> why does the navpills (and above) flicker https://arsenalrefreshed.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Nukesme/Sandbox
[22:33:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to pskyechology> girlbossed so hard she grew multiple brains
[22:34:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1334274710804107367/1424725709678575757/togif-24.gif
[22:35:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to nukesme> whatever you're doing with the `linkhack` is causing some weird stuff to happen
[22:35:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> ima remove it for now
[22:36:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> is there any alternatives
[22:36:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> what is it meant to do
[22:36:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> basically a link over the learn more button
[22:37:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1507512720587489573/image.png?ex=6a122c20&is=6a10daa0&hm=06a1c61512e5d9c3f6a75a317b4d2b24407b6822d0bbe16feadcf32ddcbdfbfc&
[22:37:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> `[url linkdiv]` I think should work
[22:37:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> or `<span class="plainlinks">[url linkdiv]/span`
[22:38:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> oh okay
[22:40:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> linkdiv?
[22:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> oh ik
[22:52:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> @disgustedorite does it work now
[22:53:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kuurubizu81> the website works now
[22:53:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kuurubizu81> has worked for a while
[22:53:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kuurubizu81> if thats what you're asking
[22:53:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to paladox> yes thank you
[22:54:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to paladox> [1/7] > MediaWiki internal error.
[22:54:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to paladox> [2/7] > 
[22:54:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to paladox> [3/7] > Original exception: [8d1339b5b3236fe7d3f53eae] 2026-05-22 22:54:09: Fatal exception of type "UnexpectedValueException"
[22:54:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to paladox> [4/7] > 
[22:54:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to paladox> [5/7] > Exception caught inside exception handler.
[22:54:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to paladox> [6/7] > 
[22:54:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite, replying to paladox> [7/7] > Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.
[22:54:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> when deleting a form
[22:55:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> it worked when trying a econd tkme tho
[22:55:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> oh try again
[22:55:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> > Error: invalid magic word 'page_name_formula'
[22:55:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> it was still syncing l10n at the time
[22:55:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> ah lol
[23:51:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to nukesme> There is but it wasn't well-documented. I have added it to the doc: https://starcitizentools.github.io/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/customization/recipes#force-a-theme-site-wide
[23:52:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx> The `MediaWiki:Citizen-preferences.json` is for newer version of Citizen, you might have to hide the toggle with CSS for now
[23:55:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> oh oke