[00:08:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_> scribunto has no `explode` for a string right? it's only for the parserfunctions
[00:09:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> do we not have a Help page for citations & references? i failed to quickly find either on the dev site
[00:09:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [1/2] 😐
[00:09:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [2/2] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Citation
[00:10:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aliser, replying to ext_> [1/2] there's `split`
[00:10:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aliser, replying to ext_> [2/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#mw.text.split
[00:11:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_, replying to aliser> does this cause the same issues as using `string.find` or `string.match` with patterns when it comes to special characters?
[00:11:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_> ie parenthesis and such are special characters
[00:12:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_> literally the reason why I want to explode it first than to use patterns, because it would be a nightmare to sanitize the pattern
[00:16:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_> OK actually that question is irrelevant, since my delimiter is `,`
[00:16:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_> no it's not from cargo's list types anyway
[00:36:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [1/2] ...should we ever "Include only the current revision, not the full history" when exporting templates?
[00:36:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [2/2] i'm exporting Wikipedia's Template:Doi
[00:37:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> the dev wiki's missing that template, btw
[00:38:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to ext_> no, split and gsplit are explicitly utf-8 aware
[00:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [1/6] to sanitise a pattern you can use a function like ```lua
[00:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [2/6] local function escape(s)
[00:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [3/6]     s = s:gsub('([%(%)%.%%%+%-%*%?%[%]%^%$])', '%%%1')
[00:40:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [4/6]     return s
[00:40:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [5/6] end
[00:40:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [6/6] ```
[00:42:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_, replying to thewwrnerdguy> where did you find this match anyway lol
[00:42:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to ext_> <https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:Utility#L-46>
[00:50:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [1/2] > By default, imported edits appear with an interwiki prefix, like meta>Example. 
[00:50:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [2/2] it's not clear if the prefix entered was "meta" or "meta>" 😐
[01:00:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to aliser> For TMH you probably need to do some CSS/JS trickery to accomplish that. Otherwise use https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Audio/tiny with `data-volume="1"`
[01:14:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech, replying to jjtech> [1/7] are you kidding
[01:14:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech, replying to jjtech> [2/7] ```js
[01:14:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech, replying to jjtech> [3/7] // For now this API is limited to extensions/skins as we have not had a chance to
[01:14:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech, replying to jjtech> [4/7] // consider the implications of gadgets having access to this function and dealing with
[01:14:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech, replying to jjtech> [5/7] // challenges such as selector overlap.
[01:14:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech, replying to jjtech> [6/7] delete mw.popups.register;
[01:14:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech, replying to jjtech> [7/7] ```
[01:21:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iconicadian.> does anyone know where i can find/make bracket templates for my wiki?
[02:04:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aliser, replying to iconicadian.> https://defaultloadout.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:!!
[02:05:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iconicadian.> no like team brackets
[02:05:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iconicadian.> tournament
[02:05:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> You can probably use one of the family tree templates for that
[02:05:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> It’s just be annoying
[02:07:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iconicadian.> hi @d4v1d1418
[02:46:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frogqueen> [1/2] how in the heck do I get the infobox template to wrap/right justify?
[02:46:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frogqueen> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522795592433270865/image.png?ex=6a49c569&is=6a4873e9&hm=cebc02144f05b805d0e593348fd86bbf3c00422424df474d55712b162b63c158&
[02:46:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frogqueen> [1/2] like this, which is just an image
[02:46:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frogqueen> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522795724872351804/image.png?ex=6a49c588&is=6a487408&hm=416056240cc67f7436c135891dab663f9cd7b9727ab25887f3d77e4b6fa8e520&
[02:49:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to iconicadian.> @whostacking did you ever figure this one out
[02:53:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> aye yall let me know the second a comment extension like the one built into fandom becomes available for miraheze
[02:56:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to yzxs> What features are you looking for in such an extension?
[03:02:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to posix_memalign> [1/2] Well currently our wiki has one way and one way only outside of our discord server to communicate with other wiki users and thats talk pages. However, talk pages are moreso just blank pages that people can just vomit text on that really has 0 relevancy to be a page and is just comment material.
[03:02:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to posix_memalign> [2/2] Would love a system thats clearly visible on pages aside from talk pages where users can clearly communicate with one another in a more organized fashion. Our server has 100k members and our wiki can get 2m visits on a good day.
[03:02:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> Also considering our wiki has a queue for editing, its much harder to have on wiki communication
[03:04:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> As long as it allows for a unique visible chatting space across pages, that can be used without requiring queue (with ofc automod type system in it so ppl cant just put slurs) that would do numbers
[03:06:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to thewwrnerdguy> ❌
[03:10:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to yzxs> [1/3] Ok. There are many existing commenting extensions. `Commentbox` is terrible so we don't mention it.`Comment` makes it so that you have to use a parser tag to enable commenting, so it's useless for most wikis. `CommentStreams` is half-decent but has a number of terrible quirks (performance problems, no preview for wikitext comments, creating a new page on the 
[03:10:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to yzxs> [2/3] wiki in NS CommentStreams for every comment, broken "sorting by vote" feature).
[03:10:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to yzxs> [3/3] Yappin is nice and I forked it for some additional features. Unfortunately it is still stuck in the extension review queue.
[03:10:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [1/2] <https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Aragorn> you can probably look into what Tolkien gateway uses for family trees because functionality a bracket would be basically the same?
[03:10:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522801764733026344/IMG_4833.png?ex=6a49cb29&is=6a4879a9&hm=d1f965b97fb20006dbaa162e007b38c1a1225ca8020b7c52c7b324500f9ca995&
[03:12:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to posix_memalign> yappin is the one developed by gloob right?
[03:15:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to yzxs> Yeah. There were a number of things I didn't like about it, but since Gloop made it just for Warframe wiki they were probably not taking new features, so I just made a fork.
[03:21:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> is ai allowed for use of coding in my miraheze website?
[03:25:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to koolkid84> Yeah usage of ai is fine, but its recommended that you state in the summary that its ai generated just in case any issues arise
[03:26:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> its ur wiki after all
[03:27:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to yzxs> kk i'm just trying to set up an SCP-like aethetic for my fictional world
[03:27:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> and since i have no clue how to code i'm using google ai
[03:27:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> do you think claude would be better?
[03:27:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> i always see those ai vs ai videos but i never actually thought much about it
[03:30:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to posix_memalign> Yeah that extension is absolutely perfect. Does your fork include an option to only enable comments to logged in users? Ic that this extension just makes people anonymous which might not be an issue but would be nice to have that option
[03:31:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to koolkid84> Ive never used claude. gemini is prob fine for ur case but im no ai expert lol
[03:32:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to yzxs> it's google ai not gemini, apparently they're two seperate ones
[03:32:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> google ai is the one you get when searching and gemini is the one on it's own website
[03:32:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to yzxs> As long as commenting is a separate user right I think it'll be fine because you can always take it away with ManageWiki/permissions
[03:32:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to koolkid84> Oh yeah i prob wouldnt recc using the search one then
[03:33:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> oh damn
[03:33:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to koolkid84> Google AI is pretty bad. They fact that it is triggered for every search means that it will inevitably be heavily nerfed. Gemini on the other hand is pretty good at making good UIs, especially since it has vision capabilities and you can give it screenshots for feedback.
[03:35:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to koolkid84> They are both the same model
[03:35:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to posix_memalign> [1/2] well it's gotten me this far
[03:35:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to posix_memalign> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522808026485096508/image.png?ex=6a49d0fd&is=6a487f7d&hm=5a43f2545113f7f4df0fbd41c0bccd3a10d24e724d2c0a03442b1f2f770b7e00&
[03:35:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> should i just swap to gemini now while i'm at it?
[03:35:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> I know of [a Chinese wiki](https://wiki.biligame.com/klbq/%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5) whose CSS was mainly made with Gemini. The wiki admin knows some CSS but isn't very technical. He wrote the interface which was quite janky but it turned out well after making the switch to an LLM.
[03:36:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to posix_memalign> i've seen that before!
[03:36:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> that's so cool
[03:37:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to koolkid84> i would say test between the two models and attach references to what youre looking for for a better design
[03:37:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> ultimately this decision is yours
[03:37:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to whostacking> kk thanks a lot
[03:39:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to posix_memalign> alr thats perfect then. obviously my main concern would be moderation considering our traffic and the type of traffic
[03:40:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> Let me know if theres any progress
[03:43:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Since it has AbuseFilter integration I'd imagine it isn't too bad to write some rules when the comments arrive. I would be more concerned about incompatibilities with Extension:Moderation, but if we end up controlling upstream I can probably code some workarounds when Moderation is detected.
[03:45:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> The main type of progress would be someone reviewing it, which is not easy because it's 2000 lines of PHP and 1000+ lines of JS/Vue. I was thinking of doing a quid-pro-quo where I help Random undeploy extensions while Random reviews extensions requests lol. I've no idea if he's interested though.
[04:07:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [1/2] is there a way to stop blockquotes from breaking bullet point lists?
[04:07:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522816121449873599/image.png?ex=6a49d887&is=6a488707&hm=241e4027ee932b59a26beced321184046967a73e4268c7d36f2a5c26da08c310&
[04:29:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to questioningespecialy> [1/7] if ur looking for that indent mechanic you could try
[04:29:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to questioningespecialy> [2/7] ```
[04:29:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to questioningespecialy> [3/7] * First bullet point
[04:29:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to questioningespecialy> [4/7] *: ''quote goes here.''
[04:29:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to questioningespecialy> [5/7] * Second bullet point
[04:29:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to questioningespecialy> [6/7] ```
[04:29:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to questioningespecialy> [7/7] Not sure if that gives what ur looking for tho
[04:29:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> so ditching the blockquote formatting is the best option then?
[04:32:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to questioningespecialy> Im not sure, thats just a way i know how to do it that gives a similar result. i havent used blockquote on wiki before so idk how it behaves
[04:32:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> wasnt sure if u wanted that line specifically or was just looking for a way to add indentation
[04:34:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [1/3] it gives me an option atleast
[04:34:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [2/3] gonna hope for a quote template that avoids this problem when i search later
[04:34:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [3/3] i just want to maintain a very clear indicator to people scrolling by that 'this is a quote'
[04:36:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to questioningespecialy> https://templatewikiarchive.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Quote no clue how this would behave in ur context but could try it
[04:47:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy, replying to yzxs> thanks, that looks like fun
[04:51:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech, replying to jjtech> [1/3] I did figure out how to make it work, at least with a common.js script. I'll try to make it a proper gadget at some point.
[04:51:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech, replying to jjtech> [2/3] It involves a nasty hook on `mw.popups` because of that stupid delete call trying to prevent gadgets from registering popup providers, honestly that seems useless and should just be removed...
[04:51:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech, replying to jjtech> [3/3] I tried to make it work for arbitrary wikis but then realized the CSP prevents that anyway, so I'm just going to make it hardcoded to just Wikipedia for simplicity
[05:13:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech> https://github.com/JJTech0130/interwiki-popups/blob/main/interwiki_popups.js
[05:25:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech> turns out this is dependent on caching..
[05:26:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech> if you have a hot cache Popups might load first and then you can't hook it
[05:29:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech> Popups isn't actually dependent on the PHP side of the extension at all, I might just say to disable the extension and load the entire JS+CSS bundle in myself in the script because I tried it and it's guaranteed to work
[05:33:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech> [1/2] it does work though
[05:33:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jjtech> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522837751941173331/Screenshot_2026-07-04_at_1.33.16_AM.png?ex=6a49ecad&is=6a489b2d&hm=56574e6d95ac0ec4fdd6543613139d61e846607a7ef2ad03d93d36988c045032&
[08:54:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <scorbunny_who_wreaks_havoc> hi hi
[09:20:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to scorbunny_who_wreaks_havoc> can we help
[09:21:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <scorbunny_who_wreaks_havoc, replying to rhinosf1> Just started making a wiki I’ll see if I meet any problems
[09:21:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> thanks for choosing us then
[09:21:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <scorbunny_who_wreaks_havoc, replying to rhinosf1> Best one so far fandom is so bad
[09:43:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Fandom bad, six sides good :miraheze:
[09:46:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to amelialoveheart> I imported https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Tree_chart a while back
[09:46:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Oh cool
[10:14:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.h64> 2 members away from 10k
[10:14:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.h64> crazy
[10:15:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> [1/2] > Newly created wikis will no longer have Skin:Modern and Skin:CologneBlue enabled by default.
[10:15:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> [2/2] 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🔥🔥🔥
[10:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [1/2] thanks miraheze peeps, very cool
[10:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522911269114613800/image.png?ex=6a4a3124&is=6a48dfa4&hm=4e2a2c8c5d7027d9b33f3c621eba496c43f4478fe706bbc08728a118d89a6cf2&
[10:28:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to prabhasxd> It was @crystalite13 who worked on it.
[10:29:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to posix_memalign> pog
[10:32:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <uranium_mandy> I've just made a private Wiki, but when I click to edit the main page, it just shows a loading symbol for less than a second then goes back to the reading UI and doesn't let edit. Does anyone know why?
[11:14:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to questioningespecialy> [1/2] by eliminating all new lines from the blockquote. usually you can just use `<br>` for that
[11:14:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to questioningespecialy> [2/2] Alternatively, manually make the list use `<ul>` and `<li>`
[11:30:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dood.wittavaj> 502 :(
[11:32:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sleepytail> lagy
[11:32:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <darkfawfulguy64, replying to dood.wittavaj> I got the same message. I'm sure the tech team and the Stewards are aware of this problem.
[11:33:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> i got a 502 error too :/
[11:33:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> all wikis are down?
[11:33:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> i assume the wikis are down?
[11:33:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <a_mimic> Hey, I came here to report 502 Bad Gateway errors that have lasted more than just a couple of minutes
[11:34:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <darkfawfulguy64> [1/2] Here's proof, by the way.
[11:34:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <darkfawfulguy64> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522928463504212029/image.png?ex=6a4a4128&is=6a48efa8&hm=21b6237833ddeb02892d38336f6fd10b8fcde2b320b6a60108abf8e84b74b0a7&
[11:34:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to darkfawfulguy64> Nothing the stewards need to be aware of
[11:34:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> They can't act
[11:34:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <a_mimic> What unfortunate timing. I've been waiting a week to sign up at this exact time to have the 4th of July as my signup date lol.
[11:34:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But @Infrastructure Specialists I'm out so anyone else can help?
[11:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hagigamer> Yea our wiki seems to also be down (shminer.miraheze.org)
[11:37:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <darkfawfulguy64, replying to a_mimic> Don't blame yourself.
[11:37:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tphamtranba> again...
[11:37:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <a_mimic> I've gone and done it again... 😔
[11:38:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to nonahedron> yes
[11:38:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> mine's down too
[11:38:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> welp
[11:38:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <darkfawfulguy64, replying to nonahedron> At the moment, yes.
[11:38:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> man and i just starts on july 3rd
[11:39:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> i guess almost the entire tech team is us-based and therefore on their holiday
[11:39:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to nonahedron> NO WAY
[11:39:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> that's insane bad luck
[11:39:36] <RhinosF1>	 We are not all US bad
[11:39:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> we'll just have to wait until july 5th
[11:39:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron, replying to RhinosF1> i said ALMOST all
[11:39:47] <RhinosF1>	 We have staff based in Europe too
[11:40:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to RhinosF1> staff based in the pacific?
[11:40:05] <RhinosF1>	 We're probably more active with staff not based in the US
[11:40:11] <RhinosF1>	 We have Australia and Europe too
[11:40:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to RhinosF1> oh shii tuff
[11:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> miraheze goated moment
[11:40:40] <RhinosF1>	 Personally I'm just at a food festival so it's not really practical to debug from here
[11:40:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> https://klipy.com/gifs/tom-aura-mi-pan-su-su-su
[11:40:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wojtek9572, replying to a_mimic> same ngl, had the same plans
[11:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d, replying to koolkid84> what provoked you to send this
[11:43:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> I happen to be awake rn. The DBs seem to be doing fine.
[11:47:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> getting a bit of 502 errors oh my
[11:47:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> [1/2] the one time it did work katamaripedia looked.. very strange to say the least
[11:47:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522931879521812571/image.png?ex=6a4a4456&is=6a48f2d6&hm=b0247513b7656c1ee65bc56731c5d5ce5418c3672e23955730b770f42af43127&
[11:47:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rando_3213> Is miraheze down
[11:48:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rando_3213> Nvm
[11:48:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rando_3213> I'm stupid
[11:48:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rando_3213> Sorry
[11:48:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> ok nvm i was able to get to a page now
[11:48:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hagigamer> Seems to be getting back up just now
[11:48:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> i feel like there's been a lot of issues across the internet lately
[11:48:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> kandi patterns hs been struggling a bit
[11:49:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> It's back except for about 25% of all wikis that are on db161.
[11:49:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> oh yeesh
[11:49:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> Except for 25% of all wikis on db161?
[11:50:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <skyduck_101> miraheze died
[11:50:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <skyduck_101> https://klipy.com/gifs/trombone-pusheen-1
[11:51:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to cibryll> [1/2] If you the picture you are the unlucky 25%
[11:51:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to cibryll> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522932810246131832/image.png?ex=6a4a4534&is=6a48f3b4&hm=3dcc5441317d46700b5cdf39a4dd2d805107e48739dedf0695c568695fdcea63&
[11:51:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sleepytail> Since I am here in this chat how do you all feel about fandom.com is it well slowly dying I mean I noticed a site has been not any better and I have a feeling generally that a lot of wikis are ghost towns
[11:52:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> fandom is turning into a cashgrab
[11:52:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> that's why i've been learning the ropes of mira
[11:52:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> it's up
[11:52:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> Fandom's getting even worse than it already is? 💀
[11:52:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to esareofficial> what do you mean?
[11:53:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sleepytail> I have noticed overall that a lot of wikis that were once being maintained I just left abandoned
[11:53:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain> Fandom been in the downy for years now, i still check some of their page but more so because some community only exist there and nowhere else
[11:53:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain, replying to sleepytail> I wonder why:moonch:
[11:56:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron, replying to esareofficial> it already is a cashgrab
[11:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> ads littered on every single article, even more than the content itself in most cases
[11:56:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial, replying to koolkid84> 100000 ads, more care for shareholders rather than the wikis on the site, punishment for wiki admins exporting their wikis (not even just to other sites, just general exporting)
[11:56:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> sounds familiar
[11:56:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain> Wait what you mean for the latter
[11:56:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain> :stare:
[11:57:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> They do WHAT to wiki admins who export wikis!?
[11:57:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to esareofficial> there was a time when there were no ads?
[11:58:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d, replying to koolkid84> early 2000s
[11:58:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial, replying to cibryll> They remove all rights from admins, bureaucrats, and moderators when a wiki is exported
[11:59:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial, replying to koolkid84> 2000s when it was a mediawiki based wiki
[11:59:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522934858882482316/images.png?ex=6a4a471d&is=6a48f59d&hm=1f562e86649f519781b397a6f05904dd18b454309e043636a8dac09b92935e85&
[12:00:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> katamaripedia is one example of a wiki that has been punished for exporting that i can think of
[12:00:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> theres a reason why the new norm wiki depicts fandom as an evil empire bent on removing the fun in wikis
[12:00:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> [1/2] the skin used to just be monobook
[12:00:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522935099883126834/latest.png?ex=6a4a4756&is=6a48f5d6&hm=5e9e7af5b097d45abb8c58c0172a565973866cd2be03e4f877233dbeea05fec8&
[12:00:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll, replying to esareofficial> [1/2] So basically, they're anti-external back-ups.
[12:00:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll, replying to esareofficial> [2/2] Okay. So they're basically a lot worse than they were when I made a wiki with them a decade ago.
[12:00:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esareofficial> YEAH exactly
[12:00:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> FANDOM makes money, not wikis
[12:01:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <localsenior> g'day everyone
[12:02:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84, replying to _______________________________d> but it's for them to keep up the fandom right?
[12:02:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> i mean obviously the overt amount isn't right
[12:02:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koolkid84> i don't know how much they pay to keep it up though
[12:02:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <localsenior, replying to posix_memalign> haha, joined the server from that very screen :skull_ios:
[12:03:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d, replying to koolkid84> no it's mostly for other reasons
[12:03:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to nonahedron> or from a more geopolitical perspective, fandom is a military occupier of wikis
[12:04:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> jimbo on wheels is swimming in money
[12:05:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> e.g. since Genshin Impact has its best wiki on Fandom, I call it the "Fandom-occupied Genshin Impact Wiki" because it is a good wiki but is hosted on a terrible host
[12:06:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> might as well make a software to scrape wikis and export them
[12:06:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> and Minecraft Wiki used to be Fandom-occupied between the time Gamepedian wikis got assimilated into the evil empire and sep 23, which is when they gained their independence
[12:06:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to _______________________________d> nah, not a good idea
[12:07:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> imo, the most important part of a fork is not just leaving Fandom for the sake of it, but rather the community within it
[12:07:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> i've seen fandom glazers out there
[12:07:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> oddly
[12:08:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> you'd need the community within their wiki to agreeing to forking in the first place
[12:08:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> otherwise, the fork won't succeed
[12:09:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> i've seen communities that completely agree to forking only for some fandom glazer to come along later down the line and adopt the wiki and say stuff about "restoring it to its former glory"
[12:09:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> ew
[12:09:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> fortunately, this usually fails since they are usually very lazy
[12:09:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> yeah
[12:11:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> in most forks of wikis, where the community agrees to forking and not just some rando scraping the wiki without informing others, the fandom one will inevitably fail in comparison because there are no redeeming qualities to staying on fandom
[12:11:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> other than thad, if you go on a FANDOM wiki and put in a ton of invisible text that just repeats the page title over and over again it usually penalizes it in search results
[12:11:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> FANDOM still beats it with scummy SEO generally
[12:12:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to _______________________________d> there's always the risk of SOAP reverting it
[12:12:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d, replying to justleafy2003> they're usually unaware of it though
[12:12:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> SOAP?
[12:12:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> spam obliteration and prevention
[12:12:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> a global team of volunteers, under fandom occupation and oppression, who revert spam and vandalism across fandom
[12:14:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> it's technically not spam
[12:15:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [1/2] > put in a ton of invisible text that just repeats the page title over and over again
[12:15:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [2/2] it's still spam though
[12:15:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> once they found out 😉
[12:16:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> but yeah, like I said, don't vandalize the fandom counterpart(s) of your forked wiki(s), there's nothing to gain from it
[12:17:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> use all that time building your own forked wiki(s)
[12:17:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> Guessing they won't like it if the wiki owner puts up a notice to say like, that wiki being defunct now, either?
[12:17:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> a better alternative is just to make your wiki's content better and more high-quality
[12:17:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d, replying to cibryll> yeah no they hate that
[12:17:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to _______________________________d> correct
[12:18:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to _______________________________d> also correct
[12:18:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> and they render wiki.gg links as text
[12:18:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> and globally phalanxed minecraft.wiki and balatrowiki.org
[12:18:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d, replying to justleafy2003> [[Wikipedia:Streisand effect]]
[12:18:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect>
[12:18:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> aka now fierce enemies of fandom lmao
[12:19:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> Okay, so they need to be burned at the stake then.
[12:19:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> has it happened to Miraheze, though?
[12:19:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> no
[12:19:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> Not yet, anyway?
[12:19:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> I guess so
[12:20:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> the reason why they render wiki.gg links as text and phalanx the full urls to the indie mc and balatro wikis is because they frame them as "spam"
[12:21:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> and they wrote a blog about this and apparently put it on dev wiki, rather than on their community central, is so that they would get less attention on this matter
[12:21:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> [1/3] there is something good, though
[12:21:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> [2/3] FANDOM uses a creative commons 3.0 license, while wiki.gg and miraheze use 4.0 by default
[12:21:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> [3/3] since licenses are not backwards-compatible, this means that pages copied from an independent wiki to FANDOM can be taken down
[12:22:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to _______________________________d> oh yeah, I know this well, have even taken advantage of this once on the pixel gun 3d wiki
[12:23:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <testing.com0822> Does anyone know what happened to the battle cats wiki?
[12:23:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> working on a skin with citizen as its base https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1522912063482101811/1522940175569915954/ice_spice_fan_club.gif?ex=6a4a4c10&is=6a48fa90&hm=56182d466d3ed0631acacf4ab80b5cf17dbec490fbad58d6521cd1caf6bb3fa2&=&width=1860&height=318
[12:23:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> so, recently, someone plagiarized hundreds of exclusive articles from pg3d.wiki.gg onto fandom without attribution
[12:23:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> tl;dr fandom will do anything to stay on top except make their website better'
[12:23:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to testing.com0822> refresh or something
[12:24:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> eventually, fandom blocked them and their sockpuppets, and though it took a while, they took down all of the pages he stole
[12:24:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <testing.com0822, replying to whostacking> Ok
[12:24:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to whostacking> nope
[12:25:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> even if they did attribute, the backwards incompatibility of the license would still render it as a copyvio
[12:25:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to thewwrnerdguy> is it all dead
[12:25:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> and even if that wasn't the case, they can't link to wiki.gg wikis on fandom anyway
[12:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <arthur014670, replying to testing.com0822> Unscheduled maintainance
[12:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <arthur014670> As far as I'm aware it's pretty much all wiki's
[12:25:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <arthur014670> Mine is down
[12:26:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d, replying to justleafy2003> I love how FANDOM does this to make it impossible for independent wikis to collaborate with the old one, yet this also backfires on them when someone adopts the old wiki and copies stuff from the independent wiki
[12:26:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll, replying to arthur014670> Not all wikis.
[12:26:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> i'm genuinely surprised that the people who do that aren't FANDOM staff
[12:26:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <arthur014670, replying to cibryll> That's good
[12:27:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain, replying to localsenior> Gday
[12:27:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to _______________________________d> if fandom staff did this, I think they would be in legal trouble
[12:27:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> i'm more surprised that there's people who aren't FANDOM staff who glaze FANDOM
[12:27:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain, replying to cibryll> https://klipy.com/gifs/sopranos-paulie-5
[12:28:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> but if some rando on their platform does this, there is the DMCA process, and Fandom would have to comply with that
[12:28:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to _______________________________d> yeah... imagine glazing fandoom
[12:29:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> (me 3 years be like, unfortunately...)
[12:29:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.oflotsa, replying to _______________________________d> Trying to use a Fandom Wiki Page only to get hit with a 0.4 GB Ram spike
[12:29:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.oflotsa> The ads are that bad lowkey
[12:29:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to justleafy2003> but now, it's the other way around
[12:29:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> so much so that fandom gblocked me for forking multiple of my wiki communities lol
[12:30:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll, replying to .oflotsa> That bad? Since I use an adblocker, I didn't notice that.
[12:30:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theonewhoeatmountain> I remember back when the ads wasnt that terrible
[12:30:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to .oflotsa> fandom, at this point, is just an ad platform that serves wikis to its side
[12:31:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.oflotsa, replying to justleafy2003> True
[12:31:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.oflotsa> Anyways I just joined to ask smth so lemme go do that
[12:31:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karmaskeleton, replying to .oflotsa> You can try using breezewiki
[12:31:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d> https://klipy.com/gifs/fandomcom-adblocker
[12:31:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to justleafy2003> more info on this: https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TimmyQuivy/Fandom_Is_Not_Rendering_Links_to_Wiki.gg_-_Here%27s_Why
[12:32:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_______________________________d, replying to justleafy2003> according to fandom staff, people moving wikis is spam
[12:32:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hardplayer> [1/3] Hi! I want to create a neat little easter egg for my wiki. The idea is that through certain manipulations (for example, entering a specific code into a link on the page), a secret section is added—one that doesn't physically exist on the wiki itself (or is located in an admin-only area).
[12:32:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hardplayer> [2/3] How can this be implemented?
[12:32:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hardplayer> [3/3] Overall, the plan was to use Syndicate keywords that are generated each new round on server in game, while storing the articles themselves in a backend database. However, due to security restrictions, I cannot make requests to my backend to fetch this data.
[12:35:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.oflotsa, replying to .oflotsa> Wait
[12:35:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.oflotsa> Why the hell am I asking
[12:36:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.oflotsa> It’s self explanatory with the notice
[12:36:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.oflotsa> :stare:
[12:36:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.oflotsa> “Miraheze is conducting unscheduled maintenance on this wiki's database server.” Says enough
[12:51:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xanderthegreat02> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522948055832199249/IMG_2820.png?ex=6a4a5367&is=6a4901e7&hm=f15f3acc27619541fad915275e1d55b8229de4a3e902e4397c23b7ec0dc5945b&
[12:57:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <josephthesnail> [1/2] Getting that too
[12:57:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <josephthesnail> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522949352325124197/IMG_8173.png?ex=6a4a549c&is=6a49031c&hm=1569bc70c672722b632b844b8f571553a1048352b5b5f6b97156637c2e6a8301&
[12:57:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiderhydra> i got it too
[12:58:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiderhydra> i was js abt to edit a wiki 💔
[13:03:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <grauerjedi> Does anyone know, how long this unscheduled maintenance will take?
[13:05:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> well you see, that's the beauty of it being unscheduled
[13:05:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiderhydra> LOL
[13:05:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <spiderhydra> i hope not long since i have a lot of stuff to add to my wiki
[13:08:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to thewwrnerdguy> poetry
[13:10:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> @nonahedron peak wiki btw lol
[13:11:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron, replying to justleafy2003> so true
[13:11:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redgunn911> wanted to preview a long ass edit and the maintenance screen pops up :D
[13:11:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> funny as shit
[13:11:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> it’s basically just one big shitpost at first glance
[13:18:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <august31st.2007, replying to nonahedron> what shitpost.
[13:18:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron, replying to august31st.2007> the new norm fanon wiki
[13:18:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> the new norm fanon wiki
[13:18:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> jinx
[13:18:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <august31st.2007, replying to nonahedron> oh alr.
[13:18:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> https://norm.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[13:23:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <figoarto> I think the maintenance should be announced
[13:24:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marcim01> Bom dia, a todos os jogadores de the battle cats
[13:25:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <indianduder> battle cats wiki downnn
[13:26:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marcim01> Yes, caiu aqui também
[13:29:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> @nonahedron look at combatants in https://norm.miraheze.org/wiki/Fandumb_Normiversal_War lol
[13:31:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron, replying to justleafy2003> welcome to the war
[13:33:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <grauerjedi, replying to thewwrnerdguy> sorry for not beeing native english speaking
[13:37:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kraftyr> Is miraheze undergoing maintenance for much longer? Does anyone knows?
[13:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lorddarias> apologies if this has been asked, but I cant find anything in the announcements channels
[13:38:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lorddarias> oh its a general thing then
[13:38:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <simply_juju.> Doesn't seem like anyone knows
[13:38:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <simply_juju., replying to lorddarias> It is yeah
[13:38:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lorddarias> I thought it was only for Rain World wiki, fair enough
[13:38:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lorddarias> we shall have to wait then
[13:47:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hyperionz_, replying to indianduder> Battle cats 🥹
[13:50:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahmedtaha0713> Hi
[13:50:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <buugbubuthe1st> hello
[13:51:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahmedtaha0713> Joined for fun
[13:51:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <buugbubuthe1st, replying to lorddarias> other wiki's downed too?
[13:51:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <buugbubuthe1st> damn
[13:51:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> all wikis on db161
[13:51:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <buugbubuthe1st, replying to thewwrnerdguy> aww
[13:51:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lorddarias> whats that, a planet?
[13:52:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahmedtaha0713> Trying to beat 2crown soractes Well I guess I’ll wait until I can get cat egg pod
[13:52:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to ahmedtaha0713> I mean you can still use packpack or something
[13:53:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahmedtaha0713> Bro, the enemy has 6 million hp
[13:53:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <buugbubuthe1st> can anyone tell me what enemies do i face in woodlands area 2
[13:53:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <typicaldealer7> What cats should I use on Twilight Zephyr
[13:54:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> join the r/bc discord or something, this is not the place to ask
[13:54:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> isn’t there an off topic channel
[13:54:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahmedtaha0713, replying to typicaldealer7> Probably cameraman
[13:54:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <buugbubuthe1st> oh yeah
[13:54:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <buugbubuthe1st> forgot
[13:54:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nonahedron> #offtopic guys
[13:54:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <typicaldealer7, replying to ahmedtaha0713> I got also ubers and Izanami if u want me to use them, I only heard there are many bosses ;-;
[13:54:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> #offtopic or take it to another server
[13:55:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahmedtaha0713> What Ubers do you
[13:55:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <typicaldealer7> So we cant talk abt battle cats here? Im confused who is it on
[13:55:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <typicaldealer7, replying to ahmedtaha0713> [1/3] Uhh u want
[13:55:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <typicaldealer7, replying to ahmedtaha0713> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522964115763757096/IMG_1451.png?ex=6a4a625c&is=6a4910dc&hm=4d93f051aebac251bdde325649ee28979f0a4dc744ea80bc1e4b3b533f995beb&
[13:55:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <typicaldealer7, replying to ahmedtaha0713> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522964116434714635/IMG_1452.png?ex=6a4a625c&is=6a4910dc&hm=ed6586dcdf35604cd158716f0e2accd3b986104505a3a45ed411bdcd327fd50d&
[13:55:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <typicaldealer7> I swear i wasnt seed tracking nor pay to win
[13:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahmedtaha0713> Giyu he’s also good for the bore
[13:56:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to typicaldealer7> this is the discord for miraheze the wiki farm, not the battle cats wiki
[13:56:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <typicaldealer7> Ik abt seed tracking from my native language youtuber Wedry
[13:56:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <typicaldealer7, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Ok but I was confused who u talking to since more people were talking here before
[13:57:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pearl_the_artist> really dumb question how do i rename an already uploaded image
[13:57:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> I've been waiting a long time, but I still can't access the wiki.
[13:57:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <simply_juju., replying to thewwrnerdguy> Hello, sorry for the ping but will there be anything in #announcements when maintenance is finished?
[13:58:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao, replying to typicaldealer7> #offtopic
[13:58:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <typicaldealer7, replying to sillythao> I alr did go there ;-;
[13:58:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <arandomindonesian> yo why is the wiki down
[13:59:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pearl_the_artist> works fine for me
[13:59:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522965031158026321/Screenshot_2026-07-04_20.55.30.png?ex=6a4a6336&is=6a4911b6&hm=410da1d149468cfa9630098ec5adbccad7af76e144fc02765372c7188799ff98&
[14:00:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to hardplayer> I see the fellow Space Station 13 player
[14:00:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pearl_the_artist> [1/2] strange...
[14:00:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pearl_the_artist> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522965255117082675/image.png?ex=6a4a636c&is=6a4911ec&hm=7984af7d3019efbb19127ae76fb5219e622b3021df953cafa0134a3e97364998&
[14:00:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <arandomindonesian> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522965395823263825/Screenshot_20260704-210031.jpg?ex=6a4a638d&is=6a49120d&hm=161ed54b4355e531537047c97808175d01c416d5cfa95f1102f9acef724e6839&
[14:00:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hardplayer, replying to eytirth> Space station 14 :pupCoffeeMH:
[14:01:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pearl_the_artist> ??? which one am i on then HAHA
[14:01:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pearl_the_artist> oh well, I'll keep editing until it kicks me out
[14:03:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <arandomindonesian, replying to pearl_the_artist> i think this issue only apply to some wikis, since i can access the wiki of my failed worldbuilding project
[14:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pearl_the_artist> interesting...
[14:07:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to hardplayer> Holy hell, I am a Space Station 14 player (well, was) as well
[14:15:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orcatech> [1/2] yeah mine is down too
[14:15:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orcatech> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1522969213424238772/image.png?ex=6a4a671b&is=6a49159b&hm=3ee89fea7ab31f18de69f0e60628330999494d59834c2cc1ed276030a389a404&
[14:17:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mangomadness0079, replying to ahmedtaha0713> holy guacamole it’s squire luno
[14:19:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pandafiredoge> [1/2] When will my wiki be repaired
[14:19:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pandafiredoge> [2/2] https://learnpc.miraheze.org
[14:19:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pandafiredoge> [1/2] When will my wiki be repaired?
[14:19:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pandafiredoge> [2/2] https://learnpc.miraheze.org
[14:20:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <traskforge> things have been down for a few hours so i thought they'd be back up by now
[14:20:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hyperian9> Hi
[14:22:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <traskforge> it's been down for the wiki I use since at least <t:1783166340:t>
[14:22:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soussou0384> Pooh's adventures
[14:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_> OK I need to rename a column in Cargo table definition for a template, is there any smarter way around this other than to edit all of the pages manually?
[14:25:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_> cuz like everything references the old name
[14:26:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to traskforge> About an hour before that
[14:26:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pandafiredoge> Shortly
[14:34:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> what are extensions that can do global find-and-replace commands? there's a lot of outdated hex codes in our wiki that need to be replaced which is too much work to do because we have like 2.5k pages
[14:34:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to namkwal> masseditregex
[14:34:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nabhan_reborn> What did I miss? An outage?
[14:34:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> i have heard of "replace text" but our wiki was made before 2024
[14:34:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to nabhan_reborn> yes
[14:35:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal, replying to whostacking> i seee
[14:35:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nabhan_reborn, replying to rhinosf1> Explain.
[14:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> imma try to get it implemented
[14:35:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal, replying to nabhan_reborn> maintenece
[14:35:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to nabhan_reborn> What would you like to know
[14:35:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to namkwal> It was not maintenance
[14:35:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nabhan_reborn, replying to rhinosf1> Anything
[14:35:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It was unplanned
[14:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> oh
[14:35:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <danacidic> Can you insert gif images into your wiki?
[14:36:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to nabhan_reborn> About a quarter of wikis (all on db161) were unavailable due to a crashed server. Other wikis may have experienced performance issues.
[14:36:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nabhan_reborn> Understandable
[14:36:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ponaproni> ah alright
[14:36:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to danacidic> ya
[14:37:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal, replying to danacidic> ya
[14:37:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <danacidic> Thanks
[14:37:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> its kinda annoying to make function though iirc
[14:37:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> on they dont play for some reason
[14:38:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> well they do but only when you click the file link
[14:48:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <danacidic, replying to namkwal> Ohh that’s unfortunate, is there anyway to make it play regardless?
[14:48:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> it might be an our wiki thing
[14:48:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> try it yourself
[14:52:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to danacidic> Change [$wgMaxAnimatedGifArea](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMaxAnimatedGifArea) on ManageWiki
[15:10:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koks_games> yo
[15:20:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_, replying to danacidic> GIFs should not be used when possible as they're very heavy
[15:20:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_> use videos or any other format
[15:20:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_> unless it's a literal slideshow
[15:47:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej> I feel like over time “GIF” has expanded in meaning to include any silent animated image. They started blowing up on the internet when people ditched the actual GIF format in favor of more performant alternatives
[16:20:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pandafiredoge> APNG？
[16:21:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pandafiredoge, replying to wikitideharej> APNG？WEBP？
[16:21:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pandafiredoge> WEBP？APNG？
[16:32:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <danacidic, replying to ext_> Ohh videos can work? I’ll use that instead then
[16:43:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_, replying to danacidic> videos without audio can autoplay on browsers
[16:43:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ext_> with audio no
[17:05:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <danacidic, replying to ext_> How exactly do you insert them? I’m still new to this website and idk coding
[17:12:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blpnkmut> [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1523013566658117692/image.jpg?ex=6a4a906a&is=6a493eea&hm=3f45c2437e88080a3c4150b2adb0c5755b2767c1df283de53c7fb70468bb8a67&
[17:12:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blpnkmut> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1523013567006113822/image.jpg?ex=6a4a906a&is=6a493eea&hm=31ab12dc17fd2550868baa463114657192cb8627881b9513a95fc8d67511675a&
[17:12:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_arawynn> @Discord Moderators
[17:15:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> holy shit more free money
[17:16:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crimrix> oh boy a dollar
[17:18:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy, replying to _______________________________d> abusers hate this one simple trick!
[17:19:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> (been reading backwards and find that Fandom bs interesting)
[17:22:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to _arawynn> Gottem
[18:27:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to cibryll> That's against their ToS
[18:32:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to yzxs> not illegal if you don't get caught
[18:36:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> Well ngl if ur forking a fandom thats urs and u put that notice all over the wiki, they'll just remove it ban you and have some global admin take control of ur wiki instead
[18:37:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> so there's not really much to lose considering ur leaving fandom anyway
[18:40:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to yzxs> *if they find out you did that
[18:41:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> i'd assume it would be easy for them😭 they prob have flags that get thrown up when other wikis outside of fandom and wikipedia are referenced
[18:42:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to yzxs> they didn't notice for like a month, until we told them about it
[18:43:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> and this was for a wiki which was getting 10m page views a month
[18:44:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> ☠️☠️☠️
[18:50:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to justleafy2003> The only thing I can argue for fandom is their comment feature
[18:51:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I liked how pictures would appear on category pages before they ruined it
[18:51:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> Genuinely the only thing they have that can be argued over miraheze, as miraheze doesn't have one as clean as theirs (yet)
[18:51:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to amelialoveheart> like categories for images?
[18:52:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to amelialoveheart> [[dev:dynamic Categories]]?
[18:52:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/dynamic_Categories>
[18:52:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> When you went on a category page they’d show the images of the most visited pages in that category. Now it just shows trending articles in general
[18:59:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to amelialoveheart> ngl our wiki doesn't utilize categories for traffic that much
[18:59:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> we just use navboxes
[19:08:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I love categories
[19:09:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> But I don’t manage gaming wikis which don’t have as many categories
[19:15:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> We have a ton, but we don't do much customization on them. We've only recently updated navigation on our larger categories but other than that only a select few categories have anything on their pages at all
[19:16:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> We've always just put the navbox at the bottom of pages
[19:17:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> Would be cool to capitalize more on them if there was a benefit
[19:22:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to yzxs> real ones add sneaky javascript so that the notices don't show to fandom admins
[19:32:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to zipppee> bros a professional forker
[19:32:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> no I just know how they operate
[19:38:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to yzxs> nvm just realized we do have dynamic and image displayed categories
[19:40:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to yzxs> What’s the wiki anyway
[19:40:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I’m looking to start making navboxes
[19:47:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to amelialoveheart> https://fischipedia.org/wiki/Fisch_Wiki
[19:54:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> Just realized our navboxes don't show up on mobile view on the website☠️
[19:55:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> Is it a bug related to sections being collapsed on mobile?
[20:09:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to yzxs> `.navbox` class is hidden on mobile by default
[20:09:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> iirc
[20:09:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> guessing there's a good reason for that?
[20:10:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> 🤷‍♂️
[20:10:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> probably not
[20:49:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ninjisy> [1/2] hi, is there any way to mass revert a specific users uploads? (i.e., delete them)
[20:49:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ninjisy> [2/2] or any mass deletion tool in general
[21:06:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to zipppee> would still need to be approved by fandom staff
[21:06:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> they effectively have a global moderation queue for all js on the site
[21:07:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to yzxs> there's a setting to disable that happening
[21:07:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to ninjisy> nuke
[21:07:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I thought it was just one time approval to have access to js
[21:07:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to zipppee> nope, every edit must also get approved
[21:07:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ninjisy, replying to thewwrnerdguy> i ended up going w AWB, an editor msuploaded 117 files with wrong names 😔 ty tho
[21:08:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> there's probably some roundabout way you could do it by making some js that adds the user's groups as class names to html or something like that
[21:08:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lacy29> [1/2] How could I restrict regular users from making changes on my wiki?
[21:08:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lacy29> [2/2] I tried to do it myself and blocked myself from doing it. So now I'm lost
[21:08:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to lacy29> [[help:permissions]]
[21:08:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:Permissions>
[21:09:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to thewwrnerdguy> is that smth in common.css or does it require sysop?
[21:09:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> oh wait u said setting
[21:09:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> fried
[21:09:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> what exactly is it called? i'll ask if we can have it disabled
[21:10:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> don't remember the exact thing, it'll be in managewiki though
[21:10:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> something like wgmf...
[21:15:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lacy29, replying to thewwrnerdguy> ok so turns out it wasn't that complicated. I don't know what I did earlier. Thank you
[21:16:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to lacy29> what you probably did was make it impossible for regular users from making changes but didn't make it so admins could make changes
[21:16:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> you can actually see what you did at Special:ManageWiki
[21:17:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [1/2] from reading nothings grabbing my eye other than styling
[21:17:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1523075257601359972/IMG_6666.png?ex=6a4ac9de&is=6a49785e&hm=58b9f83111382f1d5bd24a0ef4f3f242f19bfd5c8f3e8ec0da8e5a94e038000c&
[21:17:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lacy29, replying to thewwrnerdguy> makes sense
[21:18:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to yzxs> I think it'll have a `['` in there
[21:18:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> [1/2] does anyone know how i can customize the background specially the top part like this on citizen skin
[21:18:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1523075515844526190/image.png?ex=6a4aca1c&is=6a49789c&hm=0d8df7044a0fa98964898f4b283ec7806dc6fa7ac9174c02daf054aed7bc6fc1&
[21:18:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> `wgMFRemovableClasses['base']` there we go
[21:18:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> mess around with inspect element and find out :)
[21:21:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav, replying to thewwrnerdguy> i did all day, either it is front of me but im not seeing or it is really complex
[21:21:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I can't seem to locate it
[21:22:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> nvm got it
[21:22:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> idk why it didn't pop up at first
[21:22:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> thank you
[21:24:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lacy29, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [1/2] ok now I completely locked myself out of everything. 
[21:24:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lacy29, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [2/2] I don't even see the bar on the right side anymore. can't manage special settings
[21:24:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lacy29> This is really stupid
[21:25:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lacy29> oh nevermind
[21:25:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lacy29> it moved to the "Tools" thing
[21:32:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Was this setting added recently? We've had this issue for a while and our bureau said that setting never existed back when we were first looking into it
[21:33:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to yzxs> I wouldn’t see recent but last while yeah
[21:33:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I added it a few months ago
[21:34:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I think this year
[21:34:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It was 4 months ago
[21:35:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> 😭😭😭
[21:35:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> damn well glad it now exists
[21:36:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It existed forever, 4 months ago I added it to ManageWiki
[21:37:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> In general if you check and see an extension has a setting you’d like to use and isn’t in the settings page ask one of us tech nerds, we can check it out and either get it added or tell you why we can’t
[21:38:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Pretty good chance if a setting isn’t made available by us it’s just because no one’s asked
[21:44:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs, replying to pixldev> crat said back when we were looking into it it was blocked by default and only way to edit it was to make a ticket
[21:44:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> I'm assuming at the time we just didn't follow through/couldn't reach anyone?
[21:44:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yzxs> anyway glad it's a setting and fixed now
[21:48:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [1/46] ```css
[21:48:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [2/46] @media screen {
[21:48:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [3/46]     / Hero image /
[21:48:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [4/46]     .citizen-page-container:before {
[21:48:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [5/46]         / FIXME: Optimization needed (WebP, proper sized) /
[21:48:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [6/46]         background-image: url(/w/images/9/9b/John_Howe_-_Panorama.jpg);
[21:48:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [7/46]         background-position: 70% center;
[21:48:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [8/46]     }
[21:48:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [9/46]     / Site header image /
[21:48:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [10/46]     .citizen-header:before {
[21:48:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [11/46]         background-image: url(/w/images/2/28/Citizen_header_image.webp);
[21:48:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [12/46]     }
[21:48:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [13/46] }
[21:48:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [14/46] .citizen-header:before,
[21:48:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [15/46] .citizen-page-container::before {
[21:48:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [16/46]     content: "";
[21:48:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [17/46]     position: absolute;
[21:48:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [18/46]     inset: 0;
[21:48:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [19/46]     pointer-events: none;
[21:48:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [20/46] }
[21:48:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [21/46] .citizen-header:before,
[21:48:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [22/46] .citizen-page-container::before {
[21:48:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [23/46]     background-repeat: no-repeat;
[21:48:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [24/46] }
[21:48:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [25/46] .citizen-header::before {
[21:48:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [26/46]     background-position: center left;
[21:48:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [27/46]     background-size: contain;
[21:48:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [28/46]     mask-image: linear-gradient(to right, rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2), transparent 32px);
[21:48:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [29/46]     -webkit-mask-image: linear-gradient(to right,
[21:48:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [30/46]             rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2),
[21:48:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [31/46]             transparent 32px);
[21:48:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [32/46] }
[21:48:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [33/46] .citizen-page-container::before {
[21:48:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [34/46]     height: 200px;
[21:48:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [35/46]     background-size: cover;
[21:48:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [36/46]     mask-image: linear-gradient(rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.35),
[21:48:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [37/46]             rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2) 3rem,
[21:48:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [38/46]             rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.05) 9rem,
[21:48:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [39/46]             transparent 100%);
[21:48:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [40/46]     -webkit-mask-image: linear-gradient(rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.35),
[21:48:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [41/46]             rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2) 3rem,
[21:48:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [42/46]             rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.05) 9rem,
[21:48:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [43/46]             transparent 100%);
[21:48:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [44/46] }
[21:48:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [45/46] ```
[21:48:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [46/46] Was what I could find from <https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Citizen.css>
[21:48:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1523083177554481214/thing.css?ex=6a4ad13f&is=6a497fbf&hm=a9c092fa5df6d3f464451d00645bedc8b92682d83ead33609676344fc382cfcc&
[21:51:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> i tried that but it doesnt work
[21:51:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> yes because that only works with the images from tolkien gateway
[21:51:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> but that's probably not on the csp
[21:52:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav, replying to thewwrnerdguy> yeah i think he customized that place somehow i tried the url's of my images also in the wiki but doesnt shows up
[21:52:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> what did you try
[21:52:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> i even asked to ai to help but he also misdirecting
[21:53:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav, replying to thewwrnerdguy> wdym
[21:53:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> could you link to the css page that you tried
[21:54:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> sure am i allowed to send link here?
[21:54:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> yes
[21:55:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> https://kizilbashica.com/m/MediaWiki:Common.css
[21:55:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> https://kizilbashica.com/m/MediaWiki:Citizen.css
[21:55:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> i also tried some other stuff idk which is which tho
[21:55:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> i deleted not working ones so feel free to check old changes
[21:59:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [1/2] I mean I got to this by replacing both instances of `url(/w` with `url(https://tolkiengateway.net/w`
[21:59:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to eurekav> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1523085903013351546/image.png?ex=6a4ad3c8&is=6a498248&hm=3e2998341d70b13ccccad3a94d4f3aa4ddc969cf0ab0fbcd51ca510616f4a278&
[22:00:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> oh wow
[22:01:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> would you direct me to do it
[22:02:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to thewwrnerdguy> copy and paste this and do the replacement I just described, and make sure to credit the tolkien gateway wiki
[22:03:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> https://kizilbashica.com/m/MediaWiki:Citizen.css
[22:03:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> like this?
[22:09:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eurekav> ah mate, im really ignorant on this. i couldnt manage to do it
[22:15:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lady.timpani> is simpleblogpage broken? i've been trying to set it up on my wiki and it doesn't seem to be working correctly