[00:16:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> @thewwrnerdguy can u actually give me advice on some data structure?
[00:17:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> I've been importing jsons into buckets so far but right now I'm looking at a massive json that is like 40k lines. I tried to import it raw but it was obviously too big and if I were to use Bucket I would get 40k pages :x is that a fine thing to do? or is there maybe a better way to get that data onto the wiki?
[01:03:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm, replying to oinite12> hi, sorry for ping, but did you ever find a way around this? (if you can remember)
[01:06:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> [1/3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Template_limits#Unstrip_post-expand_size
[01:06:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> [2/3] Basically, some tags, like the one added by TemplateStyles, add some amount of bytes to the template they're in; each page has a limit of how many bytes can be added by tags
[01:06:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> [3/3] Exceeding this limit is usually caused by overusing a template that uses TemplateStyles; to fix this, you'll need to rewrite the template so it's not dependent on TemplateStyles (i.e. MediaWiki:Common.css)
[01:08:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> i see, i have a really huge lua module so i was assuming it was that
[01:08:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> ill try refactoring my css first
[01:08:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to oinite12> You can also use Variables to deduplicate it https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T407162
[01:09:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> oh i see
[01:09:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> oh god i'll be calling one of the templatestyles hundreds of times
[01:12:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dorimedog> Are there any recommended hardening/security guides for a miraheze wiki? I'm searching around but not finding anything
[01:16:00] <Zppix>	 not really, because we do alot of security stuff on our end, and we pretty much prevent most things a user could do to compromise security
[01:18:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dorimedog> great news! thank you for all you do
[01:21:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej> There's also, be sure you trust whoever you give permissions to, especially higher-up roles
[01:21:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej> Bureaucrats can remove other bureaucrats on Miraheze, right? Or does it work like Wikimedia where it requires Steward involvement
[01:21:53] <Zppix>	 Yeah I guess I was more of a technical side then actual wiki side
[01:21:57] <Zppix>	 thinking more*
[01:22:35] <Zppix>	 @wikitideharej I think by default they can't remove other crats, but they can change it
[01:27:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> according to what i saw on the miraheze resources bureaucrats can only be removed with steward involvement
[01:30:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm, replying to posix_memalign> i tried this, and it worked well, but it's also wrapping my icons (the template i used this for) in a <pre>, is that an expected behaviour?
[01:45:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to sjsm> [1/5] you might be doing something like `{{template}} {{template}}` where Template:Template looks like ```
[01:45:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to sjsm> [2/5] <template code>
[01:45:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to sjsm> [3/5] {{variables thing}}
[01:45:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to sjsm> [4/5] ```
[01:45:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to sjsm> [5/5] If you remove the newline between `<template code>` and `{{variables thing}}` then you'll be fine
[01:46:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> i found the issue, a line of whitespace behind the <includeonly> :)
[01:46:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> thank you tho!
[01:46:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to .kwinn> is it each of the 40k lines = 1 JSON object?
[01:47:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> it would also be possible to split it between pages
[01:47:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> what does the json look like
[01:48:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I'm in bed so I can't pull up the json rn but if u know some stuff about pokemon I can explain it in words lol
[01:48:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> Or I do tomorrow
[01:49:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to .kwinn> well if it's like base stats for all the pokemon then you'd make pages for each pokemon and each of those pages would save data to bucket
[01:53:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> [1/2] It's the learnsets
[01:53:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> [2/2] The json is an key for every pokemon (atm 800+) and the value to that key is an array of objects which have the move id, level requirement and method. So basically every single move a pokemon can learn  3 (the 3 move fields I mentioned) 800+
[01:54:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> The pokemon and move tables are fine but the learnsets has so many entries..
[01:54:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> I can maybe have it be flattened a bit by breaking down the method rows into like subobjects but it'll still be a lot
[01:54:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> oof that's a lot of data. you can store multiple things on one page though
[01:55:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> e.g. <https://bucket.miraheze.org/wiki/Buck_(Character)> stores all of Buck's moves
[01:55:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> [1/3] before vs after deduplicating 1 templatestyles 😭
[01:55:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533654483899256912/image.png?ex=6a71468a&is=6a6ff50a&hm=3071065dfc0df281da1d934e38e19ffb134a861173b9c10eb1d31222b6e6e932&
[01:55:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533654484155240469/image.png?ex=6a71468a&is=6a6ff50a&hm=637e0c21a0a78ece9cb36b70320083e4b7bf05260ad563e2b41d8a1226bc7059&
[01:57:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I've had issues storying and querying when I didn't save everything as a single page :elisWaiting: I haven't touched lua and python before so I had to resort to vibe coding and whenever it gets too complex I scrapped it so I could keep it under control :elisShy:
[01:58:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to .kwinn> what issues has bucket given you with this?
[01:59:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to sjsm> reminds me of the time I changed `{{infobox` to `{{#invoke:Infobox|main` and cut down on 1/3 of the post-expand include size
[01:59:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> The schema leading to repeatable or variable amount of data. I just didn't understand how to set it up
[02:00:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> Which is why I started storing everything in  an extra page. Keeps the schema simple and the repeats are the pages
[02:02:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm, replying to thewwrnerdguy> is that something i should be trying to minimise? or were your infoboxes like massive
[02:02:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to sjsm> actually it was navboxes and yeah they are massive
[02:03:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> I'm too tired right now and I don't have the wiki in front me my right now so I might have to ask again tomorrow a:elisEeer:
[02:03:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> but I still find it wild how using a template instead of an invoke doubles the post-expand include size
[02:08:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to .kwinn> [1/2] so for example with <https://pokefields.miraheze.org/wiki/Encounter:Kanto_viridianforest_land_4> I think you could probably collapse all of those into one page called `Encounter:Kanto viridianforest land`. Depending on size you might also be able to get away with combining all of those into one page called `Encounter:Kanto viridianforest`. You can store mult
[02:08:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to .kwinn> [2/2] iple rows on one page. Your bot should be able to handle generating all the rows for each data page.
[02:14:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> But how would the schema look for something like that? Or does that stay the same? :widevaporeon: do I just store it differently?
[02:18:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.kwinn> Thx for the help so far I will respond in 5+ hours I gotta catch some sleep
[02:22:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> am i mistaken or is the [[mw:Template:ShortDescription]] text not supposed to actually be visible on the article?
[02:22:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:ShortDescription>
[02:32:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity, replying to questioningespecialy> you are correct [[mw:Extension:ShortDescription]]
[02:32:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShortDescription>
[02:34:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> well, at least under default conditions it doesnt show up on the article itself. but there are configs to make it show up
[02:34:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> so~ what needs to be changed/fixed?
[02:35:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> what skin are you using
[02:35:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity, replying to finsanity> actually this depends on the skin (i genuinely cant read documentation)
[02:37:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> i forgot how to check, hold up
[02:38:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> where is that specified? i only see a list of installed skins
[02:39:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> Special:Preferences the appearances section
[02:39:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> the default skin is vector-2022
[02:41:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> that one, Vector
[02:43:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> `wgShortDescriptionEnableTagline` should enable/disable the short description from appearing on a page
[02:45:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy, replying to finsanity> where does it go?
[02:45:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> managewiki
[02:45:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> managewiki/settings
[02:53:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> is there any reason to enable wgShowArchiveThumbnails?
[03:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> [1/6] Best I can think of for only restricting certain file types would be [AbuseFilter](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter/Rules_format). You could try for example something like:
[03:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> [2/6] ```
[03:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> [3/6] action == "edit" &
[03:25:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> [4/6] !"sysop" in user_groups & / Permits only sysops (administrators) /
[03:25:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> [5/6] page_title rlike "\.png$" / $ tells regex to only match at the end. If you want to match multiple file extensions, try "\.(png|jpg)$" /
[03:25:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> [6/6] ```
[03:29:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy, replying to orduin> gonna try this tomorrow, thanks
[04:11:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic> [1/2] is there any way to organize this navpill into a 5x2 array instead of looking like this?
[04:11:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533688802298691585/Screen_Shot_2026-08-02_at_9.10.51_PM.png?ex=6a716681&is=6a701501&hm=4e031cb9db53e881d2f86785496f6834baca1f591ea3e359502875b06995d67a&
[04:15:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> plenty of ways, you could use `display: grid`; although i'd recommend also adding in support for smaller screen sizes (e.g. a 2x5 on mobile); you could also just set the width of each element if you're using flex, whether setting it to some fixed width or setting it to ~20% (again, would most likely need a different rule on smaller screen sizes)
[04:16:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [1/2] grid: <https://css-tricks.com/complete-guide-css-grid-layout/>
[04:16:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [2/2] flex (in case that's not what you're already doing): <https://css-tricks.com/snippets/css/a-guide-to-flexbox/>
[04:17:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic, replying to sailing> it works perfectly fine on mobile im just worried about how it looks on computer lol
[04:17:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> I only mean to say that by implementing these fixes for pc, it may affect mobile also, depending on where you're putting the css
[04:17:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic> ah i see
[04:18:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> how do you currently have it laid out?
[04:20:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic, replying to sailing> [1/4] i unfortunately have no idea as i have little to no knowledge of css (sorry) but you can find the main page here 
[04:20:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic, replying to sailing> [2/4] https://lnc.miraheze.org
[04:20:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic, replying to sailing> [3/4] css:
[04:20:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic, replying to sailing> [4/4] https://lnc.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[04:26:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [1/2] so you're already using flex, and even "better" than just setting the width, you have the inner elements - each individual navpill - their `flex-basis` set to `calc(16.6667% - 6px)` (in your css, this is controlled by the shorthand `flex: 1 1 calc(16.6667% - 6px)` )
[04:26:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [2/2] while using the calc is good to precisely make sure your elements fit, note that 16.6667% is 1/6 of 100% so you're setting yourself up to have your elements in rows of 6, not rows of 5, so just change that to 20% and it should be fine
[04:27:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> and I lowkey forgot about that property bc it's a bit confusingly explained but if it works on mobile already then even better and no need to adjust
[04:59:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic, replying to sailing> ah i see. thanks a lot for the help! just also wanted to ask, if you dont mind, where you learned css?
[05:12:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chenopodium_quinoa> [1/3] https://gbp.miraheze.org/wiki/Regiment_Pack_Twelve
[05:12:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chenopodium_quinoa> [2/3] does anyone know why the variant 2 tabber sends you to an entirely different regiment (image)
[05:12:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chenopodium_quinoa> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533703993866584105/Screenshot_20260803_011018_Chrome.jpg?ex=6a7174a6&is=6a702326&hm=93f30916d7acf7554a84de6e7dfcd4f6821c4f4379d2fff77c6b86f7160a93b7&
[05:13:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slyhi, replying to chenopodium_quinoa> It happen to me too.
[05:14:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slyhi> I stop using double nested tabbers and using nested tabber instead
[06:49:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <flowisnevercooking> [1/2] https://flowalicegames.miraheze.org/wiki/Protagonist how do i tab character infoboxes?
[06:49:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <flowisnevercooking> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533728443659718757/image.png?ex=6a718b6c&is=6a7039ec&hm=ecf373606d0cf8ce60a9b799f8d4da82de20372e08b4761691e24064c01c4a3c&
[06:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <flowisnevercooking> it also shows [[file for some reason idk
[06:55:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to flowisnevercooking> You are using PortableInfobox's syntax in a wikitext infobox.
[06:56:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> TBH the tabbing is unnecessary because you already have a gallery below. There isn't a need to duplicate images.
[06:56:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <flowisnevercooking> eh sure
[06:56:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <flowisnevercooking> i wasted 2 hours for some reason
[07:25:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> citizen upgrade is out 🥹 thank u phorgers
[09:03:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> citizen upgrade is amazing
[09:04:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> are there already any plans to add new citizen configs to managewiki?
[09:05:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> seems there's no opening ticket on phorge for it
[09:05:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> thx claude code for the new citizen upgrade! /j
[09:21:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> i dont rly like the preferences menu delay...
[09:21:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> wait we;re not on citizen 4 right
[09:25:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to whostacking> i also find it annoying during my test. but to think about it, usually, ppl don't open the preference menu as soon as they open a new page
[09:26:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> it's worth is bc Citizen-preferences.json can be highly customized now
[10:05:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> yesss everything else is amazing
[10:06:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> i love the unified inbox. echo extension shouldve combined them together in the first place
[10:36:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing, replying to rocratic> just picked it up here and there from editing wikis for 10yrs, so thank w3schools and google
[10:52:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> i still want to know this!
[10:53:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> should i have to open a ticket and list the needed configs?
[11:22:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fauxhumanoid> yo is there a guide for overriding the default site theme? im a little cautious about using common.css for this outright
[11:22:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fauxhumanoid> id prefer to not do anything drastic too, i kind of just want a light mode and dark mode background and thats it
[11:23:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Anything in common.css can be undone with no repercussions so it’s not a big deal.
[11:24:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fauxhumanoid> i think the dark mode thing is what bothers me because i dont know what things are responsible for that in vector 2022
[11:24:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Does anyone have a link to the order of sort keys (for categories and such). I’m trying to find one that goes after Z.
[11:24:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> [1/2] uhhh citizen updated but the date didn't lok
[11:24:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533797761986592839/Screenshot_20260803-132330.png?ex=6a71cbfb&is=6a707a7b&hm=6bec0dd449e13f9d05008e9866716a978781ae30f6be558972383a2b14c385ca&
[11:25:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fauxhumanoid, replying to fauxhumanoid> im pretty sure its just a media screen on the root but root variables only let you do certain things
[11:29:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fauxhumanoid> ok apparently i have minerva installed and not vector 2022
[11:29:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fauxhumanoid> the thing about skin extensions is theres no way to directly edit them and see whats going on
[11:32:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Vector 22 is a default skin, same with Minerva. Minerva is the default mobile skin iirc
[11:38:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to whostacking> i've got an issue with it. notifications from another wiki don't show up in the inbox. it's marked read after i open it tho i don't really see anything. when i refresh it becomes unread again. only after i manually go to that wiki and read the notification can it get really read. is this a citizen issue or miraheze issue?
[11:39:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fauxhumanoid, replying to amelialoveheart> oh yeah i see it now
[11:40:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fauxhumanoid> im probably just gonna override the background regardless of theme
[11:40:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fauxhumanoid> or let me try it like this
[11:51:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mallon0670> [1/7] What if your phone could become an extra source of income?
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[11:51:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mallon0670> [6/7] ‎
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[11:51:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> @Discord Moderators it's the free money again.
[11:57:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Free money is gone now
[11:57:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to wikitideharej> by default, no. By simple adjustment in managewiki, yes and we don't chase that, but we discourage it since it can result in stickier messes to clean up later
[12:01:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to reception123> Ta
[12:55:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to Deleted User> Is there a way for us at maille.wiki to push for https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T14053 to be implemented? we have someone in scope for our wiki who rendered several hundred models we'd like to use.
[12:56:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to reception123> bbbbbbruhhhhhhhh i wanted the free money!!
[12:56:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bonesoup420> [1/2] is there a change log of what changed with the citizen update? i don't even know from what version we updated to and i need to fix some stuff
[12:56:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bonesoup420> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533820969846575136/2e9761eca4e2b07227e8e50fc64d5ca2.jpg?ex=6a71e198&is=6a709018&hm=f486e16e66308b55956a9dff6bdf8cdb964935ddb541370de9a4f425ad9501d5&
[12:57:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bonesoup420> _change log of what changed_
[12:58:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to bonesoup420> https://mwcitizen.skin/changelogs/
[13:07:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to bonesoup420> [1/5] - unified inbox
[13:07:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to bonesoup420> [2/5] - smoother command palette
[13:07:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to bonesoup420> [3/5] - new command palette api
[13:07:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to bonesoup420> [4/5] - reworked preferences menu
[13:07:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to bonesoup420> [5/5] - new image dimming feature
[13:11:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to karpeth> not really I'm afraid, extension-related business is a slog right now because of the very limited availability of reviewers
[13:11:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> probably high on that list is the already offered yet currently disabled maps extension, and progress even on that has been severely delayed
[13:49:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bonesoup420, replying to whostacking> whats up with the citizen preferences json, does it work?
[13:50:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> yes it does work. its basically the new way to customise the preferences menu, allowing a built in way to disable automatic or pure black mode
[13:50:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to whostacking> [1/2] came here for this.
[13:50:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mayuxi_, replying to whostacking> [2/2] Some CSS changes as well. Like buttons, Category links in footer, and font for Source editing.
[13:55:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bonesoup420, replying to whostacking> awsomm, I didn't know it didn't work before, i thought i was just stupid and ended up doing it in css lmao
[13:58:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> css had been the right solution till hours ago
[14:18:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> 👋
[14:22:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> [1/2] I recently started a new wiki about a videogame, but am unsure how i should structure the main page. does anyone have any recomendations or tips to lay a groundwork for it?
[14:22:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> [2/2] this is also my first time working with Miraheze, and all my previous experience comes mainly from Fandom (i feel like a lost child in a home depot 😭)
[14:24:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> is there any way to revert the recent changes to citizen? not loving them really
[14:54:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to sjsm> idts
[14:54:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> you can revert some of them
[14:55:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee> but the whole thing afaiaw cannot be undone
[14:56:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> yeah the only option really is to hack what you want into css, and that may well change with future updates. It is a side effect of any active skin, and part of what bugs me about vector 22
[14:56:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> that or maintain a fork that exists in the way you want it that would pass a dedicated extension review
[14:57:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to davyvm2009> best advice is to probably look for similar types of wikis and model off what inspires you best
[14:58:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to raidarr> hm alright i see thank you 🩵
[14:59:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> best of luck
[15:01:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to raidarr> btw i noticed the source editing is almost exactly the same as fandom, does it use the same stuff for it?
[15:01:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Source editor is mediawiki standard thing
[15:02:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Fandoom version has some extra stuffs on top of that
[15:02:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to davyvm2009> it may help to understand they are the same software under the hood, between miraheze, fandom, and wikipedia overall
[15:03:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> what differs is fandom doing custom stuff on top of selective versions, miraheze being more pure in this regard but having 'farm glue' on everything which abstracts different things, and wikipedia's opinionated deployment of what is all mediawiki under the hood
[15:07:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to raidarr> hm i see
[15:29:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> is there a list of the new preferences, such as "citizen-feature-pure-black"? trying to find others but cant see it in the documentation
[15:33:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to sjsm> pure black mode has always existed
[15:33:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm, replying to whostacking> i mean a list of the properties we can change in the new preferences page
[15:34:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> my bad
[15:34:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> this is like the cloest thing https://mwcitizen.skin/customization/recipes#remove-or-modify-preferences
[15:35:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> ^ cc @atxatx, I think I got the ping right
[15:35:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> that'w what i've been looking it, it only mentions a couple tho
[15:35:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> [1/2] for me i append ?uselang=qqx in my url and see the pref menu
[15:35:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533860963495706814/image.png?ex=6a7206d7&is=6a70b557&hm=4f18f745138f2c55bea9de779141404050c99768e3d0873de9459f4f219a866b&
[15:36:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> then instead of say `citizen-feature-custom-width-name` i use `citizen-feature-custom-width` in the citizen-pref.json
[15:36:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> i see i see
[15:37:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> i like the icons you have for the themes
[15:37:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> the default ones are pmo so i guess ill go change
[15:40:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> thank u
[15:40:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> do u want a snippet
[15:40:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> i sent it in the irwa server but i can forward here
[15:40:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> ya sure, if you dont mind of course
[15:41:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> start from `.citizen-preferences-radio` onwards if you dont want the small pill shaped and prefer the bigger ver
[15:41:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> aah i see
[15:41:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> so you're just hiding the svg
[15:41:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> yes 😶
[15:42:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> okok thank u ill go try
[15:49:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to reception123> aww I missed free money
[16:05:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to chenopodium_quinoa> use the js in <https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-extensions-TabberNeue/issues/252#issue-3303668606>
[16:13:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qwerturt> Does css accept any other simpler image like file:image.png instead of static images for background-image?
[16:16:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to raidarr> [1/2] It is in the source code: https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/blob/main/resources/skins.citizen.preferences/defaultConfig.js
[16:16:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to raidarr> [2/2] But the `uselang=qqx` method that stack mentioned would always work
[16:17:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx> V4/preview has a different theme picker so it complicates it a bit
[16:18:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to whostacking> [1/2] Nope. This is somewhat of a risk because legacy tokens had some bugs which were fixed by enrolling into the v4 preview. Since upstream is probably running citizen with v4 enabled we are in a configuration that receives less testing.
[16:18:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to whostacking> [2/2] Enrolling wikis into v4 will be a separate thing once the old v3.13 HTML cache is gone.
[16:20:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to honoka55> It's probably https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/6399
[16:20:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Global notifications are broken for a while.
[16:20:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> #Citizen fails to load cross-wiki notification
[16:28:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> no this is the mh thing
[16:28:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> i mean the citizen thing, here
[16:31:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to posix_memalign> The legacy token bugs that were filed are fixed in 3.19 already
[16:34:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to atxatx> Yeah I was saying since we are likely the biggest user of legacy tokens we are more likely to encounter bugs and need to report them.
[16:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Thanks for the quick fix though.
[16:41:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx> The legacy token was a known issue for a while Citizen has to support MW 1.43+ and multiple Codex versions (which has two major versions now). Making the tokens maintainable was one of the main reason that we have to rework the token in the first place
[16:58:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> I just noticed that SCT is on 1.43. That makes a lot of sense now.
[16:58:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mistaexcitement> [1/2] Any way to edit visually without it being a riddle?
[16:58:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mistaexcitement> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533881828274864193/Screenshot_2026-08-03_at_12-58-33_Editing_Grimlock_-_Kaijumatic.png?ex=6a721a46&is=6a70c8c6&hm=e9f6f5e0605f3508222b7579e71d183320d910bc3e74597aacd0e694ceebb26a&
[17:08:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shatomz> [1/2] anyone can tell me why I can't create page anymore?? I have bureaucrat and admin role, I never had that problem before, everything after wiki/ I just can't create anymore
[17:08:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shatomz> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533884235385934026/image_2026-08-03_190244167.png?ex=6a721c83&is=6a70cb03&hm=a25ab84a5d7b6d944edfd4f620dbdde653c55964f352bdf71db5042869f717fb&
[17:09:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_arawynn> [1/2] did you change something about who is permitted to create pages?
[17:09:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_arawynn> [2/2] Also maybe check if Bureaucrat has that permission
[17:12:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shatomz> hmm I did remove the rights for Logged in Users
[17:13:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shatomz> oh
[17:14:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shatomz, replying to _arawynn> :screaming: I can't believe bureaucrat or admin dont have the create page... thanks for the help
[17:14:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_arawynn> you're welcome^^
[17:36:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to posix_memalign> The issue was that the token coverage for the newer Codex version was 100% there, there were some breaking changes within Codex from v1 to v2 that make it complicated to maintain. Hence the token was completely reworked
[20:04:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <doggowhoasked> Is there a way to have gadgets enabled and disabled through a page?
[20:13:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to doggowhoasked> im not sure what you mean by this
[20:14:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <doggowhoasked> [1/3] Like..
[20:14:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <doggowhoasked> [2/3] Say I have a gadget that makes my wiki green.
[20:14:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <doggowhoasked> [3/3] Could I have a button on a mainspace page that allows users to enable/disable that?
[20:16:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> how do i exclude template inherited categories from a page
[20:16:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> noinclude doesnt seem to be working
[20:20:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to namkwal> you want to use includeonly
[20:20:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> noinclude means it will only show on the source (template) page
[20:25:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <swarde11_> hi
[20:25:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to doggowhoasked> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Core_modules#user.options
[20:26:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal, replying to pskyechology> [1/2] seems to just break the template embedding unless im doing it wrong
[20:26:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal, replying to pskyechology> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533934110450520125/image.png?ex=6a724af7&is=6a70f977&hm=6fec4c184f32dc332947ae1eca1eeedef0131bc2c6bdd1c7d7e0c34f3d27c58a&
[20:31:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to namkwal> you would put the category inside includeonly not the whole template
[20:32:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> that didnt work either let me try it again
[20:32:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> nop
[20:33:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533935774167470293/image.png?ex=6a724c83&is=6a70fb03&hm=b8b0594a3aeced5e4a465af35cf3382e6620170593de1d8bc9846bbaacb8664b&
[20:34:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> you have to "null edit" (open the edit source action on a page and save without any changes) the pages that use the template
[20:34:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> otherwise you will see the category appear on the page but the page won't appear in the category
[20:34:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> purging oughta work
[20:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal, replying to finsanity> it still appears in the category too oddly enough
[20:37:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> at this point i might as well just create a duplicate template without the category for this page
[20:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity, replying to namkwal> do you want the template to add categories to a page, or do you want a category to only be applied to the template's page
[20:38:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal, replying to finsanity> i want the template to only be there in the page without adding in the category within the template into the page
[20:39:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shanethemicronationalist> How do I get documentation to work on my templates?
[20:40:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shanethemicronationalist> the parameters on my infoboxes are always in alphabetical order
[20:41:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shanethemicronationalist> and i want the infoboxes to be how the paramters show in source code
[20:41:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity, replying to shanethemicronationalist> [[mw:Help:TemplateData]]
[20:41:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:TemplateData>
[20:42:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity, replying to namkwal> on all pages that the template appears on? or only a specific page
[20:43:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> specific page
[20:43:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> if it was the former id just get the category out from the template in the firts place 🪦
[20:43:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <shanethemicronationalist> The "leader" parameters on Template:Infobox election aren't working
[20:45:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity, replying to namkwal> `{{#ifeq: {{PAGENAME}} | (the name of the page you don't want the category to appear on) | | (your category that appears on other pages) }}`
[20:46:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <curtxdddd> wait that's genius actually
[20:46:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <curtxdddd> how have I never thought of that
[20:46:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> where do i put this on, css?
[20:46:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <curtxdddd> template
[20:46:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> oh
[20:46:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> on the template page instead of just straight up adding the category
[21:19:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jteg> Does miraheze use its own media image database, or is it completely dependent on Wikicommons
[21:20:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Commons.miraheze.org
[21:20:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Unless I've misremembered the link.
[21:21:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jteg> oh that seems to be it
[21:21:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> But you can draw on wikimedia commons as well.
[21:23:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jteg> [1/2] I'm asking because I saw this
[21:23:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jteg> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533948466865246390/image.png?ex=6a725855&is=6a7106d5&hm=4416aa5ce99a4807871e45d96a382945afbeeae8fab6b5b882a856346b209843&
[21:24:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jteg> so you can use wikimedia commons, but it works in conjunction with miraheze commons
[21:27:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Yes. I believe the priority order is local images then Miraheze commons then wikimedia commons when checking image names.
[21:27:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jteg> local images?
[21:28:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to jteg> Uploaded to the specific wiki in question.
[21:28:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jteg> so the local images only show up in the specific wikis?
[21:28:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Unless you change a setting somewhere. I know there's one that allows files on one wiki to be accessed on another, but I can't recall what or where.
[21:32:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to sakurababochka> I think someone did some testing once and actually wikimedia commons loaded before miraheze commons
[21:32:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Huh
[21:32:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Weird
[21:33:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> In that case I'll strike my message for inaccuracy.
[22:18:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej, replying to thewwrnerdguy> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_Comment/Future_of_Miraheze_Commons_(draft)#c-Imamy-20260305013500-Imamy-20260305013200
[22:18:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej> I linked to the wrong comment but it’s in that section
[22:32:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> has anyone ever experienced an issue on mobile where site css just doesnt load
[22:32:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> i dont have the safe mode setting enabled
[22:33:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> but the site css doesnt load
[22:33:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> in this case its utgwiki only
[22:35:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> is it only on certain pages or every page
[22:38:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> every page
[22:39:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> what happens if you wait 5 minutes
[22:40:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [1/2] Tag Game is my favourite game
[22:40:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1533967935943475292/image.png?ex=6a726a77&is=6a7118f7&hm=c0a10fecdfb1d59a330e7595b110cadf3d35f470a6b185133a131eccb2be0c7e&
[22:43:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to thewwrnerdguy> its been going on for a week
[22:43:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Wow!
[23:36:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jteg> I'm trying to get my wiki to have a uniform look, but each article is using a different skin. In miraheze how-to-page it says that $wgDefaultSkin should set the default across an entire wiki, but its only affecting a few pages, while the rest is either using vector-2022 or timeless
[23:57:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> to increase the $wgDPLMaxCategoryCount would i need to make a phorge request?