[00:18:02] it sounds like you recently changed the wiki's skin, in which case articles will need some time to update to the new skin [00:19:13] its weired, I'm looking at it in another browser while not logged in, and its showing different skins for different pages. but on my main browser (logged in) its showing the vector-2022 across the entire wiki [00:19:37] thanks, hopefully thats it and its not because I messed something up, lol [00:20:44] [1/2] if it's not present in ManageWiki then yes; you can also try check out [[user:pixDeVl/TC 101]] to see if you can make the PR yourself [00:20:44] [2/2] you'll probably also need some explanation of why you need this increase (i.e. why it's 100% necessary and not a skill issue) [00:20:45]

[00:31:25] it's always a smill issue 😔 [03:28:34] <.lunatuna> [1/3] im a bit confused as to why the logo for my wiki refuses to show up [03:28:35] <.lunatuna> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534040324228517908/image.png?ex=6a72ade2&is=6a715c62&hm=abd1bce75a891afa74e828d766ed5ae13e10396b59c5c46f175c40517589ebe0& [03:28:35] <.lunatuna> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534040324744413284/image.png?ex=6a72ade2&is=6a715c62&hm=07a2a86b5e30d75190fc4402c8de52cce1a8613ae6a7d41f21aa1135e897ad85& [03:28:51] <.lunatuna> ik it can take some time but ive been waiting a fair while, maybe not long enough, though [03:31:28] on vector 2022 you also need to add it to wgIcon [03:31:51] <.lunatuna> ooh,, [03:32:00] i dont know why mediawiki has like 3 different options for logos but it do be like that [03:32:20] answer is the fifth word in the sentance [03:32:31] <.lunatuna> so evil [04:01:10] I've been noticing theres a delay between the time between editing a css and when it actually shows up [04:02:22] [1/7] i have a silly question on weird copyright licensing [04:02:23] [2/7] i have three renders of non-free characters from a series covered on my wiki. these renders are being considered fair use - the editor who uploaded the image took it from a fandom wiki which took it from... i honestly have no idea [04:02:23] [3/7] however, a creator of the series has released a youtube video that includes those renders. said video is released under CC-BY. a problem arises in that these renders as included in the video are of a lower resolution than the files currently on the wiki, and one of them is always partially obscured (albeit the entirety of the render can still be seen in different frames) [04:02:23] [4/7] now these renders are basically rasterised vector drawings that are 100% flat colours without gradients, and a vectorisation process done on the renders, whether the wiki files or extracts from the video, may very well result in the exact same thing [04:02:24] [5/7] two of three renders contain assets that has already been released in a video game project under the GPL, with the only difference being their colouration, making it possible to reconstruct these parts of the image if one recolours the asset using colours from the video; the remaining one is not so, and in addition has a slight difference in a tiny part of the render between [04:02:24] [6/7] the wiki file and the version included in the video [04:02:24] [7/7] given all of this, would these renders, as currently included on the wiki, be able to be marked under CC-BY (/ GPL), or would they have to remain under non-free fair use? [04:04:47] if the source image is originally non-free unless the video author had explicit written permission to re-license them under CC-BY or GPL, they aren't those license [04:05:18] Always go by the license of the original source (in this case the series in question) [04:05:40] the video author is a co-creator of the series and currently wikimedia commons straight up has a copy of that video [04:05:45] only the original copyright holder of the series can re-license it under another license [04:06:47] you could use the renders in the video as CC-BY if the uploader is confirmed to be a creator of the series [04:06:59] but they have to be specifically those renders [04:08:48] if the CC license allows for derivatives or adaptations you could edit those renders to match what you need [04:09:42] i hope that makes sense [04:09:46] right [05:24:21] [1/2] just gonna ask real quick: how do I get rid of this? [05:24:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534069460967886958/image.png?ex=6a72c905&is=6a717785&hm=09b3ad58de8d060aed54dcb76c9bdcc5e35f1c1fa328b11565b603d516b48932& [05:25:00] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534069622372827216/image.png?ex=6a72c92b&is=6a7177ab&hm=44a39995b04de40ea70c2beac506db969bde8208b3d7ee694f4e6db839ad31b1& [05:25:30] https://klipy.com/gifs/drake-computer-1 [05:25:45] Making an edit will also prevent it from reappearing, though it may take some time for that to roll through to all pages [05:27:15] Alright [05:27:23] I just added something to mine [05:35:27] I'm making some javascript that randomizes some texts that are based on a database loaded into the page. Currently I'm setting a wait command so the script only loads after entering the page for 1 second, but this can get really inconsistent. Is there a page hook that I can use to base the moment the js is loaded on? [06:23:06] It's actually so annoying [06:23:16] It should just pull from a local file on the wiki [06:26:48] To make thing better of course [09:07:45] I have a question for the Miraheze Technology Team: How much terabytes did miraheze (as a whole) store so far? including every wiki with every of its media + revisions. etc. [09:39:18] [1/4] hi, we are currently using Extension:Popups (previews) and we have a page which contains mp4 in section0, so the TextExtracts is trying to fetch that video into a preview, however, since it cannot render embedded video frames it breaks and fails to load as shown in my screenshot [09:39:18] [2/4] i tried to remove those embedded videos from TextExtracts list but it still seems to be trying to fetch those, ideas on how to properly make it ignore mp4's/videos from previews? [09:39:19] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534133620166361208/image.png?ex=6a7304c5&is=6a71b345&hm=61541b3cb5ecf33912033950b1739cd47d462def0878a1053cb4eb10d64153aa& [09:39:19] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534133620564955156/image.png?ex=6a7304c5&is=6a71b345&hm=b81f4708d85f8a70ed79e2e65e01c30594bdbfee0d6d0618b437d4f1f6c8f8af& [09:53:13] <_arawynn> [1/2] Did you null-edit the page with the video? That's often needed to see changes in the settings with that extension. [09:53:13] <_arawynn> [2/2] Since I haven't used it on videos so far, I have no idea what you could do beyond that [10:04:16] [1/4] I'm trying to test some code sourced from [here](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Core_modules#user.options) but I'm getting this error. [10:04:17] [2/4] Extra context: Running this via previewing on personal javascript, since I want to test it before trying to push it. [10:04:17] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534139905188302969/image.png?ex=6a730aa0&is=6a71b920&hm=0e3cd99e0be72f320667042f93d16817cc1ef330c991fa41d8c51ccee49af94a& [10:04:17] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534139905540886568/image.png?ex=6a730aa0&is=6a71b920&hm=5be4fecdcd76e9a79c66c983b42de8e7482d3a40497d320a6a4f854c3328e60a& [10:08:50] Does anyone know if mediawiki updated the font in the source editor over the past couple days? Something feels different and it's throwing me off 👀 [10:11:43] [1/4] I'm trying to set up a system where the user can enable and disable certain gadgets (themes for the wiki) on a page, but whenever I try to get the options for said theme it prints null. [10:11:43] [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534141778259869706/image.png?ex=6a730c5e&is=6a71bade&hm=8b824b771ecd2e9a4fdf521d7a780ac4b9b43c74c712f269d6470a1b773b727c& [10:11:44] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534141778582835200/image.png?ex=6a730c5e&is=6a71bade&hm=cb269f0ff333621e1fd93f6a908fdf31adf8b0789af7888d3f3ae79ba9b2618a& [10:11:44] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534141778842877982/image.png?ex=6a730c5f&is=6a71badf&hm=763b87374803dd3f05c1e10de9854444966fbffa6d3a624257097d1210eeefbb& [10:29:52] i purged both, did not try to null edit, but tried now and nothing, it seems that textExtracts simply ignores my ignores 🙈 [10:32:27] [1/2] can always import any font into common.css and apply that 🤷‍♂️ [10:32:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534146996120715314/image.png?ex=6a73113a&is=6a71bfba&hm=e4e8394dd7d846dab0f708d71a49cc24e584d3a96d0685dad6dd43cd3eb9d64d& [10:33:01] dont recommend Share Tech tho 🤣 we only use it because game we do uses it and people liked that [10:33:18] Ooh funky! But yeah just curious really if there's patchnotes/an update channel anywhere for this kind of stuff when miraheze tweak things on their end? I want to know I'm not going crazy haha [10:40:50] i assumed it's part of the citizen update [10:47:53] you're right it's a citizen update! ty 🙏 [11:53:08] the new update looks so cool [11:53:11] just uh one problem [11:53:24] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534167366437699706/image.png?ex=6a732433&is=6a71d2b3&hm=853f055b1673c4b32d51425a3af6fe31d397394562e049587d91bffcce663461& [11:58:04] [1/18] ```css [11:58:05] [2/18] .citizen-preferences-card { [11:58:05] [3/18] display: flex; [11:58:05] [4/18] flex-direction: row; [11:58:05] [5/18] align-items: center; [11:58:06] [6/18] .citizen-preferences-card__preview { [11:58:06] [7/18] aspect-ratio: unset; [11:58:06] [8/18] width: auto; [11:58:07] [9/18] border-bottom: unset; [11:58:07] [10/18] .cdx-icon { [11:58:07] [11/18] width: 1rem; [11:58:08] [12/18] height: 1rem; [11:58:08] [13/18] } [11:58:09] [14/18] } [11:58:09] [15/18] } [11:58:10] [16/18] ``` [11:58:10] [17/18] for small pill [11:58:11] [18/18] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534168543250088047/image.png?ex=6a73254c&is=6a71d3cc&hm=07350ab1f228819b1b3def2de48d2f06d4601c3b8db071a0692fb0c1e53ae683& [11:58:24] ouh shoot [11:58:25] thanks [12:02:09] put `?debug=2` at the end of the url to have it show up instantly, or use user css [14:34:47] [1/2] heya i'm havign some issues with the Appearance settings in the Special:Preferences page,i want to force the wiki theme into dark mode by default but all it displays in the list is "none" [14:34:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534207979547525321/image.png?ex=6a734a06&is=6a71f886&hm=5e83f695658c1bf4e9923635d40601ea384a4a894f0a3fdd0325205ebc1dbe11& [14:35:40] [1/2] the current skin is on Timeless if that helps [14:35:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534208202785427506/image.png?ex=6a734a3b&is=6a71f8bb&hm=5c6f727e8b36967c6ab25e2dc048e0d24f3533cd2c1e7747de8379b6452368fc& [14:38:07] i may just be completely doing it wrong but idk [14:41:46] [1/2] nevermind i don't think i am? [14:41:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534209738286432437/image.png?ex=6a734ba9&is=6a71fa29&hm=d2353c804c6e09c361a3d21fd0714797d2e04392e472ef81a808625342991d1f& [14:41:53] does timeless just not support dark mode? [14:48:35] yeah, timeless doesn't have a dark mode built-in. you'll need to either CSS it or use the darkmode extension (latter not really recommended since it'll mess with the colors on photos too) [14:50:04] if you enabled the themes extension then iirc each possible theme must be hand created [14:50:45] darm [14:50:55] darkmode can be optimized for images with custom css and meta goes to some effort for it, but its kind of a mess to keep track of [14:51:39] yea i was mainly just trying to copy another wiki's style i really liked and make some slight adjustments to fit the theme of my own wiki [14:51:59] guess they use a custom css then, and i don't wanna get into that rabbit hole- [14:52:36] they might be receptive to a question how to do it and provide assistance, or at least consent to do what they did [14:53:23] well the thing is, the subject the wiki was about has a massive drama, and almost all of the editors left the wiki [14:53:44] ;-; [14:54:22] oh well, i can make due with what i currently have i suppose [14:54:23] that would complicate outreach indeed [14:55:49] [1/5] it kinda feels like [14:55:49] [2/5] Trello (elementary school) [14:55:49] [3/5] Fandom (middle school) [14:55:50] [4/5] Miraheze (high school) [14:55:50] [5/5] rn 😭 [14:56:12] in terms of difficulty* [14:57:39] miraheze is very 'here is the kit, do your thing' in a way second only to hosting it yourself for which miraheze does provide useful abstraction, but not as much at the content level [14:58:24] it is something we are hoping to improve with time but as with everything it requires volunteer energy, time etc dedicated to it, and few have stepped up to make these aspects a priority [15:26:16] One day we will reach at least Ikea level. 🙂 [15:27:14] It will never be totally easy, but not the collegiate-grade self hosting of installing and configuring your own environment + extensions [15:28:08] I think that's from the "theme" extension, which only supports monobook and one other skin (maybe vector 2010?) [15:28:38] there's also very confusingly a different extension named "themetoggle" which allows you to define your own themes [15:28:53] but that doesn't work on citizen and vector 2022 which have their own theming systems [15:29:13] and then to round that off there's extension:darkmode [15:30:09] All wikis coming with at least 3 extra bolts and all documentation having no words? [15:30:41] better 3 extra bolts than not enough [15:31:27] True. But the fact that it's never the same number of extra bolts means you always have this worry that you've done it wrong and the thing will fall apart when you're using it. [15:39:23] The true universal language, all support shall be delivered in pictographs from that day forward. [15:39:54] I will prep my technical etch-a-sketch in anticipation [15:52:02] oh its that limited? geeze... [15:52:07] hey folks [15:52:16] what do you think about 26.3 last snapshot [15:52:21] wot [15:52:33] I think you are looking for a more local server [16:25:48] Should be fixed now. You may need to purge your browser's cache. [16:26:36] [1/2] yoo firee thanks [16:26:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534236117472120954/image.png?ex=6a73643b&is=6a7212bb&hm=ea2906a91566c1c09e8c5a6778f91d5bfb775a66eb1c7f78931129edd7ce1a78& [17:27:58] latest Minecraft update [17:28:32] we have minecraft players in #offtopic [17:28:37] o [17:38:34] me playing minecraft rn [17:54:25] where are the factorio players at [17:54:50] <.labster> on a treadmill [17:55:27] <.labster> or a people mover. anything vaguely conveyor belt [17:58:17] <.labster, replying to notaracham> I'm not really sure what sorts of tools people need still. Some kind of setup wizard for new wikis, because managewiki is scary? [17:59:46] I see it as a twofold problem I started working on but ran out of steam [18:02:23] Will come back to this, need to do a drive [18:05:59] <.labster> me too, i'm getting a dental filling refilled today [18:22:46] fun :) [18:23:02] I had my first root canal earlier this year [18:24:15] I had my wisdom teeth out back in June [18:25:36] Aside from blacking out the morning after, the whole thing really wasn't too bad [18:27:09] My wisdom teeth were completely uneventful [18:27:21] Like I didn't even know they'd come through until my dentist pointed it out [18:32:43] Mine had been causing pain for a few months before I got them out, but a lot of that waiting was bc I couldn't get appointments that weren't a month out lol [18:39:42] [[SEO]] [18:39:42]

[18:40:07] Nice. @thewwrnerdguy , looks like we already have a quick link [18:43:18] ah I think it was [[help:SEO]] that gave a confusing page [18:43:19]

[18:43:40] I think you could probably move your guide over that one [18:44:08] Yeah, that's the page to supplant alright [18:49:13] with all these naming conventions am I going to have to be not raidarr [18:49:23] or really throw people off and be not void [18:50:05] well no because you are raidarr [18:50:17] or am I [18:50:51] I could be three receptions in a trench coat [18:51:29] what if I am 3 raidarrs in a trench coat [18:51:38] you may well be [18:53:32] Schrödinger's Raidarr [18:54:20] and so it is [18:56:03] [1/2] Do you know how I could limit the extension of an portable infobox to only a section of a page ? [18:56:04] [2/2] Like stop it from making the text written after the code float right when a new section header is created [18:56:17] pls answer [18:58:11] I recommend asking in #tech or on the [[community portal]] for better visibility, and I recommend patience as tech will not necessarily be able to offer an immediate answer [18:58:12]

[18:58:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_usage [18:59:17] If you're curious about our total storage capacity [19:01:16] The exact amount varies but is definitely in terabytes [19:01:28] forgot about that page [19:32:12] [1/2] out of curiosity, is there a purpose for this? it seems like a very odd feature, and i dont remember it being a thing prior to the update [19:32:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534282828567543931/image.png?ex=6a738fbb&is=6a723e3b&hm=80591c5b6e6ba9ed71d5e450b0cd0a92b750bd7775c4efd995e3c8e4595f7bf4& [19:33:43] theres one million tutorials on actually using wiki software but i haven't been able to find anything teaching you how to properly manage one [19:34:13] i've been outsourcing decision making between the few community members i have but it's not enough to actually come to good conclusions [19:34:59] That's one of the prongs of new admin onboarding I was going to mention as well, yes. [19:35:27] On average MH is getting folks much newer to building and operating a wiki vs it's founding [19:36:26] So general guides and best practices on how to actually build and manage a healthy and usable wiki is just as important [19:37:01] As the basic "how do I do X" guides for newcomers to wikiing [19:37:05] i agree, i've been a wiki editor for as long as i can remember but never too involved in managerial things [19:37:41] Mediawiki.org guides are fine enough, but are often too advanced for absolute newcomers [19:38:05] And also have the problem of being framed around a problem and key words a newcomer wouldn't know to ask [19:38:19] So, multiple things we need to solve for [19:38:23] as i remember, being able to use these assumes a level of knowledge already [19:38:54] and theres a huge lack of video explanations for really any topic [19:39:06] There's a few absolute entry level guides, but again, you need to know they exist and they don't scale the knowledge acquisition ladder well [19:39:39] So they can get you started, but that next rung on the ladder is an awful big reach [19:40:05] I had a brief chat w/ reception about roughly how that could be achieved [19:40:30] [1/15] something along the lines of a dialogue opened on first visit from a crat showing: [19:40:30] [2/15] > Choose a template [19:40:31] [3/15] > Choose who can view [19:40:31] [4/15] > Choose who can edit [19:40:31] [5/15] > Set a logo and styling inc default skin etc [19:40:31] [6/15] > "Share your wiki" with some sort of social post prefill? [19:40:32] [7/15] > [19:40:32] [8/15] > OR manual route [19:40:32] [9/15] > [19:40:33] [10/15] > Choose who can view (Public vs Private) [19:40:33] [11/15] > Choose who can edit (Anon vs Accounts Only vs Only Approved Users) [19:40:34] [12/15] > Choose extensions (pin like 15 most used ones to top else they can search) [19:40:34]