[00:15:44] guys does miraheze also has a bug with the gallery media files resetting set pixel size in source code [00:16:04] cause I saw that stuff happen on fandom but just in case curious, if it's fixed here [00:16:10] fandom doesn't seem to care or try to fix it [00:16:14] it's been 1-2 months [00:16:57] <.labster> Okay I added to [[Help:How to add templates to my wiki]] after this conversation, I hope that's useful to someone [00:16:58]

[00:17:34] want to know if it happens there too [00:18:36] River's approach to improving the user experience is so refreshing. It's hard to believe that she left wiki.gg one month after that presentation. I guess managers and users see completely different things in the same person. [00:18:41] Could you provide an example wikitext? [00:19:00] It's probably not going to be fixed unless you report it on [[Phorge]] or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ [00:19:00]

[00:21:01] I didn't understand what you mean, I don't really know uhh those wiki stuff that much [00:21:05] sorry [00:21:13] Cause like [00:21:14] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1534354925759369247 [00:21:15] First time here [00:21:25] A [00:21:41] I mean all I can provide is history of page change or smth [00:21:49] hard to explain the issue [00:21:57] I can give link to post from other people [00:22:21] Check this [00:22:31] nvm doesn't let me post link [00:23:00] #verify [00:28:58] https://community.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003905027 [00:29:06] I'm talking about this [00:29:12] is this issue also present on miraheze? [00:29:55] Fandom refuses to fix this issue [00:31:20] Not according to my tests https://exttest.mirabeta.org/wiki/Sandbox/test?diff=prev&oldid=3009 [00:31:36] VE is known to mess with wikitext though. [00:33:10] oh okay [00:52:16] well uh, but still [00:52:24] it also happens in source edit for me, I've noticed that once [03:45:09] if you mean it happened on source on fandom, fandom uses VE Source iirc so that might be why [04:13:42] I've been experimenting with categories for the first time. I've figured out how to add a page to a category and make a link to one but I can't figure out how to do both on the same page [04:14:36] [1/2] Do I have to enter [[Category:People]] and [[:Category:People]] twice? [04:14:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534414294253441326/image.png?ex=6a740a2b&is=6a72b8ab&hm=79054a7ca108a3392d3612f5f0ed81a86e3b95af8e3a94af18d2ae7232d42fe7& [04:14:37]

[04:16:29] [1/2] I've also noticed that one wikipedia, the links typically generate in a premade table. Is this some kind of template/plugin feature or does that automatically come with Miraheze? [04:16:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534414768914563162/image.png?ex=6a740a9c&is=6a72b91c&hm=d06de2cce6415cde8b85fc91465476647db31363a82afb6b3d38e0921d0c8aba& [04:20:26] putting [[Category:CategoryName]] should make it appear on the bottom of the page. [04:20:27]

[04:22:52] I'm pretty sure this is just the skin they use? [04:23:18] like it's built into the vector-2022 skin, i mean [04:23:19] I'd tried that a bit ago and nothing happened but after doing it again, it seems to have worked. I think the database just needed a bit of time to update. Thanks! [04:24:01] different skins will list the categories in different places but they should always appear unless you purposely hide it with some code [04:24:54] Hmm, so then there'd be no easy to way to fix it besides changing my wiki's skin? [04:25:37] what do you mean by fix it? 👀 [04:25:58] [1/2] Well at the moment it just renders in plain text like this [04:25:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534417154257059971/image.png?ex=6a740cd5&is=6a72bb55&hm=f8b03f2b58bcf80bd60652252462ab486417afc9576a075fd7011118d4330299& [04:26:08] No table around it [04:26:37] can you link the page? [04:26:44] https://encyclopediameernica.miraheze.org/wiki/Holy_Scholar_Isabel [04:27:56] that's due to the skin [04:28:12] ah yeah i see you're using the timeless skin... you might be able to render a table with css [04:28:22] yeah that was the question [04:28:38] is there a way to create a table without completely changing skins [04:29:08] Probably but thats not something I have any idea how to do [04:30:20] yeah it's probably possible with css 🤔 my wiki has a slight color change around it but our interface admin is the one who coded it so I'm also not quite sure how it was done [04:30:45] Yeah i'm more of a backend person so CSS is foreign to me lol [04:31:30] Yea, I figured it would end up being CSS. Thanks for the help [04:31:31] I suggest creating a #support thread @shotwells, so that way someone who knows how to do it can answer [04:32:17] It's been almost a decade since I last worked with CSS and I've been meaning to get back to it, it's just a bit of a timesink [05:24:41] does anyone know which tab of Special:ManageWiki/extensions off-hand the Extension:MediaWikiChat is located? [05:25:05] I can't find it 🙃 [05:27:58] That extension is no longer on Miraheze due to new laws as of around July 2025. [05:28:13] "Due to new laws enacted in the United Kingdom and Australia, Miraheze has disabled the following: the ability to privately email another user, Extension:MediaWikiChat, Extension:ContactPage, and Extension:SocialProfile's user board feature." [05:35:25] Zppix: thanks, that's what I was thinking. It looks like wiki in question still had legacy user rights from that extension [05:35:47] Thanks for confirming, though. I can go now go ahead and remove the left over user rights [05:44:51] Here's a crazy idea: how about a bot that synced the Discord announcement channels with the wiki? [05:48:50] What do you mean? [05:49:32] Someone posts an announcement to either #announcements or #minor-announcements . The content of that announcement is then posted to a page that is embedded in the Main Page. [05:49:42] This would help get announcements out to people that don't use Discord. [05:50:31] The only thing about this is service/outage announcements... it wouldnt make sense for those to get posted there as if theres outage you can't read it anyway lol [05:51:32] so if we did that, it would be a bot in 2 parts imo, it would categorize and post it to #minor-announcements or #announcements and based on category it could sync to wiki [05:52:06] @wikitideharej: that sounds intriguing. Be curious to see how we'd do that [05:52:06] You can tag "@"SyncToWiki in posts you want to sync to wiki [05:52:11] also gotta keep in mind we have to get any bot in this server approved by Discord as well. [05:53:24] which for it to read messages it would need that [05:53:28] I will do that, thanks [06:05:00] Or we could do it the other way around, have an on-wiki announcement setup that can be cross-posted automatically to discord via webhook. [06:06:30] Wouldn't that be more complicated to setup? [06:09:23] not necessarily, all it would need to do is poll a protected page on wiki, pull the new content, reformat as necessary, and post to the webhook [06:10:47] It would be better probably to use an AF to protect the page as not everyone that can send announcements would have rights onwiki [06:10:58] but yeah I could see that [06:20:16] Either way is a decent idea, the benefit with discord to wiki is that we can enforce permissions more clearly potentially.. [06:20:24] Abuse filter accomplishes the same thing though, so whatever is clever [06:21:01] Fully acknowledged that there is an information parity issue right now [06:23:42] [1/2] the only main differences I could foresee is 1) AF will need manually updated, but is pretty easy to do. [06:23:42] [2/2] 2) Discord bot would require a form to be submitted to discord for approval due to needing access to messages in this server (as we did with the relay), whereas webhook from wiki would not [06:26:01] Not really crazy, I've been saying this idea for a while now [06:26:29] shhh, we can't let him know hes sane /j [06:26:40] Actually, from what I know, messages that explicitly ping a bot user will be visible [06:27:04] So, we can use that as a solution and a feature, ping the @WikiSync bot to activate [06:27:09] But I need to confirm if that works [06:27:52] I'd also like to see this maybe tie in socials [06:28:10] I had more ideas on implementation, if someone wants to dig it up tonight [06:33:11] Bots can access server messages as long as they're not added to 100 servers or more [06:35:01] oh i stand corrected...they changed it lol [06:35:03] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534449640534053004/image.png?ex=6a742b16&is=6a72d996&hm=9418b39b18c9fa5737818c438190f9d5ed7b6ab77a95229f9e65f8e0f0c4a7b8& [06:37:50] yes it was changed a couple months ago [06:39:33] I recommended having it go from Discord to wiki because that would require less behavior change on our part which makes implementation and adoption easier [06:41:26] https://docs.discord.com/developers/gateway/you-might-not-need-a-privileged-intent#exceptions-when-you-get-message-content-without-the-privileged-intent [07:02:19] Just gonna ask this again since I didn't get a response. Does anyone know how to fix this WikiSEO issue? [07:02:48] [1/2] everything works EXCEPT the description space [07:02:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534456626159816734/image.png?ex=6a743198&is=6a72e018&hm=df2e40859be67e316913a1a432c8d0d04373a86bc0b72ba9982b4f10fa109556& [07:06:42] If you don't get a response, we recommend using #support [10:57:34] [1/2] Came together better than I expected and the rolling the dice paid off after a bit of cleanup [10:57:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534515704257188012/image.png?ex=6a74689d&is=6a73171d&hm=696a1b5455e9adbf75e0ea60332cdc01f324051e406c261fa273d2f5c6f65fa5& [10:58:13] and it can import templates etc as prebuilt xml pages [11:08:48] [1/2] > does anyone know which tab of Special:ManageWiki/extensions off-hand the Extension:MediaWikiChat is located? [11:08:48] [2/2] @dmehus use the search button lmao [11:09:30] the better answer there is that it's not there anymore lmfao [11:09:50] it looks like it's just a css border anyway [11:10:18] yes but the easiest way to find that answer is to use search rather than combing through each tab [11:10:26] true [11:10:41] hypothetically what if I was a tinfoil hat wearer and didn't use js [11:10:46] then I can't search [11:10:48] or use tabs [11:11:35] ctrl+f [11:11:48] yeah but [11:11:51] you can't view the other tabs without js [11:11:58] fatal flaw of managewiki exposed [11:12:03] tbh I kind of want to make managewiki use vue [11:12:18] if you have js disabled then it shows all tabs at once [11:12:24] so you can in fact ctrl+f [11:13:08] smh [11:23:15] as someone who does tend to wander around with js disabled, I corroborate ^ [11:27:06] if you're not using english interface, search requires you to remember if names of the ext you want is translated in your language [11:27:48] if it's translated, searching for english name often would give nothing [11:28:28] wait, now it works when i search for english name? did managewiki update on this? [11:28:56] i remember clearly it used to be like this [11:31:47] yes, iirc if you search for the internal extension name (e.g. `visualeditor`) then it'll show up regardless of wiki language [11:34:33] yes, [11:41:31] it didn't use to be like this [11:44:55] lmao you forgot it after saying lmao [11:59:50] [1/4] One thing I don't get about Miraheze is that your account doesn't stay permanently intact and will automatically log you out (This includes others wikis too even Wikipedia does this) and on other wikis, you have to create account and not just have your account automatically there. [11:59:50] [2/4] This is probably the only bad thing about Miraheze, not to mention this is a positive for Fandom website as they doesn't do this (I hope) [11:59:50] [3/4] So then why does Miraheze (and other wikis) do these types of things? [11:59:51] [4/4] (If I'm wrong about Fandom website or I'm missing something, call out my flaw) [12:08:06] this has happened to me in fandom too [12:08:12] sometimes the cookies just flip out [12:10:06] your account auto attaches on miraheze? [12:10:34] centralauth is a bit of a mess which is why it logs you out from time to time though [12:22:12] [1/2] Hey everyone! Quick question: is there a way to edit this icons on Citizen skin? I would like to add one (if possible). [12:22:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534537003314577550/image.png?ex=6a747c73&is=6a732af3&hm=5270036e7a6062bcfe7d068cba7074d2a9f14be56c6c58af5175b174cd2ae2a7& [12:24:20] Bonus question: I would like to add "Donate/Support Miraheze" button on my Main Page, what would be the best target url for this button? Any official landing page for donations? [12:33:52] I don’t know how to help but I study capoeira so it’s cool to see a wiki for it [12:34:13] that's usually a phorge ticket, but you can also add it on your own with js [12:34:46] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534540164444065954/image.png?ex=6a747f65&is=6a732de5&hm=e5ac943f5b2515a93257cedb68a197202792346efe663a5e5cce3bc8db048ab3& [12:45:05] I'm trying to upload an image to my miraheze wiki, and its not working [12:45:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534542813100773598/image.png?ex=6a7481dd&is=6a73305d&hm=a3cb46edbcf5337a7c1a0b7d48320388f26bc11834cb3c7ccfc1b9c7be5c33d7& [12:45:49] nvm its fixed now [12:46:16] please don't recommend JS for this as it is inefficient as hell [12:46:40] yeah, but it's fine, I just get easily logged in again [12:46:59] i thought renderblocking was made to make up for that. [12:47:18] if many wikis have the requirements to modify them, why not add them to managewiki? [12:48:52] renderblocking was never made to address any sort of performance concerns, rather it handles [FOUC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_of_unstyled_content) issues [12:49:44] only so much dev time, should though [12:57:51] so it's a should?! i've been thinking it's not allowed bc you want to review the changes in phorge [12:58:13] can we have a phorge ticket to track adding footer icons to managewiki? [12:59:41] i think many wikis also consistently replace some other elements on each page, and the common issue of them is fouc. is there anything special about footer icons that raises performance concerns? [13:00:22] loading 2x the images [13:01:16] i'm using js bc i only want to replace footer icons on citizen skin but not on other skins [13:10:18] giggles fouc [13:10:51] you have to pronounce it a bit french [13:14:57] anyone else getting a bit of issue w/ file services? [13:15:25] uploaded a file and its super bugged, tried to delete it but it actively refused [13:15:34] got it deleted now but [13:15:35] yk [13:21:05] I think probably the same thing as ^ [13:22:31] some servers being silly with their networks [13:22:43] skye did you eat the servers again [13:22:52] is this still happening [13:23:00] nope [13:23:17] (read the message below the image) [13:25:13] nah [13:25:58] this skye needs a long eep [13:26:02] omg slay illiterate QUEEn [13:26:33] is it too early in the morning [13:48:00] Every day I see words formed that I can never believe were formed by you [13:56:44] I invented the word illiterate [13:56:55] it was formed by me and me alone [13:57:10] why do you not believe in our queens [14:34:32] thanks! done. [14:41:11] [1/2] CentralAuth is behind all of this and is a bit of a janky piece junk we all have to tolerate, however usually it should automatically login with mediawiki, and indeed sometimes it doesn't work this nicely and a cookie clear is needed. I have all kinds of funny business with my session but it tends to still hold on, and some of this is probably per browser en [14:41:11] [2/2] vironment interaction [14:41:41] every day a little piece of wwr dies and has to cope with colorful vocabularly because I forgot an apostrophe, misused weary instead of wary, or made a typo within this very sentence [14:43:40] yeah... most of the time CentralAuth will auto-log you in unless the wiki uses a custom domain, the 'workaround' I use in those cases is to click on my user name at the top of the page on that wiki and then I am signed in. as a practical matter, I can then easily remove my user page from my local wiki watchlist :) [14:57:25] [1/3] does anyone know how to remove the text and just display the site icon (top left of the wiki) [14:57:25] [2/3] -# also uhh, don't mind the name that's just what the game is called 😭 [14:57:25] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1534576062808199228/image.png?ex=6a74a0d4&is=6a734f54&hm=698ddfc849b317b5b8a0e470311e9f3a3be9ab7692838d39c76e3eab0ba4f141& [15:08:56] Actually I meant sentences because you could never have told old me wwr would say "Slay queen illiterate QUEEN" [15:10:30] I'm not sure you could have told old wwr that either tbh [16:20:22] Why isnt ?mobileaction included in robots.txt? Is it because it comes from an extension? [16:24:13] good question, not sure of the answer [16:24:19] could just have been we forgot it [16:28:59] I c. I was looking into blocking the Bucket namespace and noticed that Google was crawling this stuff [19:04:14] TBH the perf overhead is minimal. Vector 2022 loads 15-20 images on an empty page, so the extra request adds minimal overhead. Same goes for the image size since it's only around 10kb. [19:06:37] [1/2] We should block it. The initial robots.txt was short on-purpose so that we only deploy the most useful rules and see which ones need to be added. [19:06:37] [2/2] There's also a mysterious `action=mobileview` on the allow list which was there since the start and I don't know why we have it there. [19:09:25] We set `index,follow` by default for all namespaces just to be safe. In practice we could've blocked File NS and some special namespaces (e.g. Bucket, CommentStreams) by default since that's a more sensible default. [19:34:35]