[00:00:31] [1/3] it amounts to 19.6KB uncached and 6.6KB cached, i feel like if someone cant load that they wouldnt be able to load the wiki to begin with [00:00:31] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1536887067542552646/image.png?ex=6a7d091e&is=6a7bb79e&hm=85a658f4ee45aeb357d8b61e67741bbc2f6deb3365d6bb0c42b3ecb3c66e4808& [00:00:32] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1536887067848745090/image.png?ex=6a7d091e&is=6a7bb79e&hm=5a55d7bc81e775758f068e689c35ec01428b6a1f9a2df454232d8cd8c92543a2& [00:01:15] I came here with a question [00:01:17] If that’s ok [00:01:28] every single image on the ROBLOX HQ page is over 50kb, most 90kb, so yeah idk haha [00:01:34] thats fine, its best just to ask your question [00:01:37] [1/3] Can someone tell me why my Mbox keeps failing? [00:01:37] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1536887343972094004/IMG_7723.png?ex=6a7d0960&is=6a7bb7e0&hm=15d7a68691cce031a5f370a62b3d70e8b8ff052fa833763bdba5c6af046d1c8b& [00:01:37] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1536887344211431524/IMG_7724.png?ex=6a7d0960&is=6a7bb7e0&hm=7274cdcda7e74d4880b1bbd6d2df69516fea55d8b05f17152befd18758e86d1d& [00:01:47] I have the proper add ons [00:01:49] can you provide a link? [00:01:51] Or extensions whatever [00:01:55] Alright [00:02:11] https://hoaxdex.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:MboxMissing [00:02:35] normal users can’t edit which might be an issue [00:02:40] https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-scared-37 [00:02:56] im pretty sure youre using the wrong parameters [00:03:08] what parameters should I be using? [00:03:16] `issue` should be `text` and `fix` should be `comment`, atleast in stock Mbox [00:03:26] alright let me try that [00:04:12] Ok that make the one line show up [00:04:17] But the comment isn’t there [00:04:38] I tried adjusting small that didn’t wotk [00:04:44] Hm [00:04:54] you can try putting The article is missing sources into `header` and the fix into `text` [00:05:35] oh yeah it wouldn't be the cause of the image issues, I was just saying that generally [00:05:35] Now only the text shows up [00:05:39] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Mbox heres the docs for mbox [00:05:44] i think youre using a slightly different one to me, my bad [00:05:53] I’ve read that extensively [00:06:04] And even tried using the template [00:06:07] Granted no date or [00:06:13] Category because I don’t desire it [00:06:29] fair enough. i havent really had issues with it but if it becomes an issue ill look into it again [00:06:42] I think the issue is my box is too small to fit all my text [00:07:03] i think the version of mbox youre using may only support one text field [00:07:11] Damn [00:07:18] the one with a header and comment is ported from FANDOM afaik [00:07:22] Can i get recommended one with more? [00:07:31] like the template page for a better one? [00:07:49] what happens if you do `smalltext` as well as `text` ? [00:07:57] Tried that before nothing [00:08:00] Only text shows up [00:08:05] gotcha [00:08:29] i think this is the one you want [00:08:58] This is the one I’m using [00:09:03] https://klipy.com/gifs/-31936 [00:09:29] I have all the template and module pages I need [00:09:44] so it is [00:09:52] i wonder why fix isnt working for you then [00:09:55] idk [00:10:05] ill let a smarter person look [00:10:08] ok [00:10:23] Thank you respectable person silly [00:10:41] Hope your phighting wiki is doing well (I haven’t played the game) [00:12:40] hello #1 gadget fan can you provide some good use cases for gadgets (I normally don't use them) [00:12:48] thank you! sorry i cant help any more :( we use the FANDOM ported messagebox which functions differently [00:13:00] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1536890208501375076/IMG_7566.png?ex=6a7d0c0b&is=6a7bba8b&hm=4855f780c6e47b4ade06b48866d7a07cc5c8cb2e6e68c586de57871a242b5e3b& [00:13:16] i stole it already [00:13:34] Yeah our wiki is new, being created after the great fandom migration [00:13:43] as such there’s no fandom wiki to port [00:13:48] I created it uhh [00:14:26] August 4th [00:14:31] can I interest you in an infobox [00:14:31] its for the best, the fandom mbox was hell on earth to import [00:15:07] https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-curious-cat [00:15:13] Info box you say? [00:15:19] yes i have an infobox to sell you [00:15:21] Wait I have info boxes [00:15:29] okay but this is a cooler infobox [00:15:33] (because portable infobox sucks) [00:15:39] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1536890876804993075/hmmlore.mov?ex=6a7d0cab&is=6a7bbb2b&hm=bff3e77d06ad7eddd54ced0b73eec878b8454fc6342630430ce088d68be88829& [00:15:40] (unless you're not using PI) [00:15:43] Alright I’m listening [00:15:45] meowl ❤️ [00:15:49] what did PI ever do to u [00:15:50] I love meowl [00:15:54] be coded like SHIT [00:15:55] Idk I think it’s ok [00:16:00] thats just all of mediawiki [00:16:04] It works ok for me [00:16:09] okay you have a point but PI is like extra shit [00:16:11] https://klipy.com/gifs/sonic-cd-sonic-the-hedgehog-9 [00:16:39] https://scproleplay.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:Infobox https://scproleplay.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox enjoy [00:16:46] SCP? [00:17:36] Do I have to recode my box and all the pages that have it [00:17:40] https://klipy.com/gifs/-31936 [00:18:10] use cases: you want css or js [00:18:11] if you already have a ton then eh, but it's not that hard to switch tbf [00:18:26] I have at least like 10 or so pages [00:18:38] didnt you mention them being able to make the CSS only load if something is actually used on a page [00:18:45] Im just worried about my editors [00:18:49] https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-scared-37 [00:19:02] yeah, you can make them load only on certain categories [00:19:29] Some images on my wiki aren't showing unless I go directly to the image page [00:19:58] and also with css you reduce the critical rendering path if you use gadgets [00:20:08] r.e. the JS problem @thewwrnerdguy what is your suggestion for a script that genuinely needs to be available on every page? theres not really any way to call it conditionally [00:20:17] I still don't understand how resourceloader ends up loading js modules but htey exist too [00:20:31] what is that [00:20:57] unless it's just first render [00:21:56] [1/2] yeah if it's in the site notice then I don't think gadgets could help. but you could do something like ``` [00:21:56] [2/2] if ($('.sitenoticeselector')) {mw.loader.load(scriptname)}```Or there should be some load.php parameters you can use to load the minified version [00:22:19] [1/2] hmm [00:22:20] [2/2] its used in both sitenotice, temporary notices we have on the sidebar during ingame events, and will be on the front page, so yeah im just not sure [00:22:20] yeah just first render [00:22:42] i guess i can load it only if the countdown div is actually found? [00:22:53] yeah [00:23:37] [1/2] ```if ($('.ph-countdown-new')) {mw.loader.load(scriptname)}``` [00:23:38] [2/2] should do it? [00:23:42] but sitenotice is different because it doesn't affect the page's categories [00:24:13] sorry for being difficult before LOL ill implement that bc you Are right [00:24:44] hmm [00:24:52] we currently use importScript, does that work different to mw.loader.load ? [00:24:57] see; [00:25:39] but like if instead template:countdown just appeared on normal pages you could do a gadget that loaded when `category=pages using countdown`, then add `[[category:pages using countdown]]` in template:countdown [00:25:50] iirc it's deprecated [00:25:52] i get you yeah, if it was only on regular pages id consider [00:26:00] oh lol. does mw.loader.load work identically? [00:26:11] :stare: [00:26:13] mw.loader.load works for any url, importscript works on a page name [00:26:34] interesting [00:26:41] do i have to put the full url? [00:27:28] yeah [00:27:32] ahhhh/s [00:28:04] [00:28:21] for every script? [00:29:26] would be a resourceloader invocation which would probably make the countdownnew script quite a bit smaller [00:29:50] I mean you don't have to do it for every script [00:30:06] hmm [00:30:06] is there any other way to check inexpensively or is that about it [00:30:17] ill do the loader for just the countdown for now, thank you [00:30:20] wdym check inexpensively [00:30:34] MWs checking scripts are not expensive in my experience [00:30:35] [1/2] just if something is used on the page [00:30:35] [2/2] if not I'll prob stick with templatestyles for that [00:31:02] well to check you'd need to run javascript to check if something's used [00:31:24] whereas `category=` you don't need to load any js at all [00:31:45] ic [00:32:03] Are we discussing mboxes [00:32:43] And chat died [00:32:48] https://klipy.com/gifs/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea [00:45:37] [1/2] Does anyone know how often Special:RottenLinks checks links? [00:45:37] [2/2] We have thousands of links on our wiki, and one specific site has duplicate HTTP codes listed, one of which is a faulty 503. The other site asked me at what speed "the crawler is hitting things", when I alerted them to the weirdness. [01:03:24] apparently it updates on edit: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1350211229016395888 [01:15:19] I am losing sanity as I code [01:15:28] But I am gaining sanity as I look at said code [01:18:10] Never realized that this would be what I would sign up for when I started my wiki like nearly a year ago [01:19:02] I'd call that a win then. ;) [01:24:24] Huh [01:25:48] i checked the rules but idk if i missed anything or just didnt understamd, but if i want to make a wiki for like, my own version of spider-man, is that allowed? or is there some copyright stuff idk about [01:26:01] sorry if that question sounds dumb i dont understand copyright [01:28:13] @callowayes, it's not a dumb question, but it's also a very broad and not necessarily an easy question to answer. You can make a wiki about Spider-Man, or an adaptation thereof, sure. But rather, it's the way in which it is used. Can you give us some more details on what you had in mind? [01:30:49] it has the same characters as the original spider-man story but dosent follow that same story, mostly a completely different story,, if that makes sense [01:36:37] [1/2] Does anyone know how to get rid of this green line on Timeless? I can't find how to target it for the life of me [01:36:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1536911253438468157/image.png?ex=6a7d1fa5&is=6a7bce25&hm=c4855bb48c3a311e01a393461a37409c467863e257dcab29f8bc557ba8c98d70& [01:39:32] border-bottom rule of `#mw-content-container` [01:39:40] THANK YOU [01:39:59] I've been trying to find it for days bahaha [01:44:44] i'm pretty sure the answer is no but i thought i'd ask just in case anyway. is there any way to transition between the two colors in light-dark()? [01:59:27] .client-pref-night and .client-pref-day I believe [01:59:56] Coding within the .css of your target page, of course [02:57:39] take a shot every time you see a bad styling decision on timeless [02:57:45] you will die in 5 minutes [03:04:24] Cannot deny that lol [03:10:40] my question is, is it possible to make sure that in a certain namespace, 1 is in the search for pages inside the wiki and 2 is not? [03:12:19] sorry i missed you lol [03:12:19] anyways wsg [03:12:20] believe it [04:01:31] Me when trying to skin Monobook last night using the same code from Vector 2010: I'd be in the hospital by my 5th shot. [04:48:31] [1/2] Anyone know how to add this section drop-down function onto desktop? It seems to be automatic on phone. [04:48:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1536959544746311700/Screenshot_20260812-054721.png?ex=6a7d4c9e&is=6a7bfb1e&hm=2306e54b07597b63023f43ca679bc2dc2d4b81fdc7b74340db5bb7902dfb85e3& [07:54:36] <.kwinn> we just moved domains. when I want to access the API with a bot do I want to use the miraheze url or the new one? does it matter? [08:57:42] the new one and yes, the miraheze one will become a redirect [12:25:01] [1/2] I mean that's just fanfiction right? you'd have the same legal issues as fanfiction. as far as I can tell it really depends on the publisher, if they're really really aggressive about copyright enforcement there's a chance that your wiki might have to be taken down. but for that they A) would have to even know your wiki exists and B) care enough about yo [12:25:02] [2/2] ur wiki to send a DMCA takedown request [12:28:10] true true [12:28:36] in other words, it's unlikely you'll have issues (as long as you're not actively antagonising the publishers), but the chance isn't 0. I don't know if Miraheze would accept the wiki though, would have to defer to T&S on that [12:29:38] that's the MinervaNeue skin. Citizen also has that function and I think [[mw:Extension:HideSection]] does something similar [12:29:38]

[12:29:43] i did send a request like a few hours ago so i will just have to see if it does get accepted i guess [12:30:22] I do not have a concern about transformative fanfiction and would field an appeal if the process proves too cautious on the subject [12:30:55] it is indeed a type of thing where a rights holder could give you trouble, but is otherwise not a matter that should typically be worried about, and indeed not antagonizing the rights holders helps [12:31:26] if ao3 and sites like it suddenly start getting shotgunned then I will be more concerned for scopes like that [12:31:50] antagonizing the right holders basically just means dont talk bad about or marvel or anything like that right [12:32:12] well the biggest way to get yourself rocket launched into a dumpster with firecrackers is for example selling media based on that [12:32:44] so mw2019? [12:33:30] [1/2] an example I think of is total war mods that liberally use assets in ways miraheze would be aghast at, and yet they exist. But this is largely for their obscurity, and simply being a critic generally doesn't put you on the radar, as one of those mods is by someone who is extremely opinionated on the trajectory of the legends of zelda franchise, and as far as I know he has never gotte [12:33:30] [2/2] n hit. And some may guess which company is involved there where you would think you'd be at the very highest risk level [12:33:39] oh i couldnt do that anyway [12:34:03] i see,, [12:34:12] i am unsure what that is [12:34:19] modern warfare 2019 [12:34:38] the game has a campaign that is “same characters, different universe” [12:35:03] good-faith transformative fiction that is under the radar and doesn't have anything commercial about it is a domain that pretty much exists until someone takes issue, and for the most part it can usually just exist. the main consideration, irrelevant with the wiki, is if it otherwise threatens the business model [12:35:25] i mean yea pretty much [12:35:43] which I presume is why nintendo had a poop-flinging contest with the pokemon knockoff where I forgot the name [12:35:46] its hard to like really get into what i mean [12:36:01] palworld, everyone forgor about the game after like one month [12:36:32]