[00:09:12] you can't give everyone skipcatcha rights [00:09:40] on our wiki we just give out confirmed rights whenever someone asks for it [00:12:08] Could also be an abusefilter [00:12:11] to clarify: it seems you can't give anyone below confirmed/autoconfirmed skipcatcha rights (or it's just not a right you can give idk; i'm not the bureaucrat on the wiki). when i asked about if it'd be possible to give the right to logged in users, i was told unequivocally no by a steward [00:12:41] my impression is that it is unassignable to users and * and to do it punches a hole in the platform antispam strategy [00:13:34] yeah, so we just have an editnotice now saying if they wanted to add external links, they can either remove the https and just add it as plaintext or request an admin to give them confirmed rights [00:14:14] but if the captcha bug is actually resolved next update, hopefully we can finally remove that note lol [00:15:04] ^ this yeah. The full list of user rights that are blacklisted from the `*` and `user` groups are in `$wgManageWikiPermissionsDisallowedRights` in `LocalSettings.php` of `mw-config` GitHub repository [00:15:26] However, `skipcaptcha` can actually be granted to `user`, but just not `*` [00:15:37] interesting [00:16:32] hmmm it definitely does not show up when you look at the users permissions tho [00:16:55] @emiliers: if there is a specific domain your users like to add external links to, you could also add that domain to your interwiki table :) [00:17:02] hrm [00:17:07] what's your wiki? [00:17:16] vocaloidlyrics or something, right? [00:17:23] yes vocaloidlyricswiki: [00:18:18] nevermind, my bad! [00:18:20] I misread [00:18:41] we have an 'any' group, an '*' group, and a 'user' group [00:18:43] we actually did do this for basic editing. but we also have a page for users to submit translations (usually their own), and they can submit from a variety of places, google docs, paste, even their own website... so that's why we have the notice :P [00:19:10] not sure what the difference between `any` and `*` is, but yeah, `skipcaptcha` is in the `user` group [00:19:45] but yeah hopefully it'll no longer be an issue with the new update that purportedly fixes the bug? fingers crossed [00:19:55] tbqh, I think that's a bit strict. You could always try proposing a Phorge task to see if you can get it only blacklisted from the `*` group. It might pose an interesting debate among the Tech Team [00:20:35] true [00:21:19] hmmm the main issue isn't really the captcha existing, it's that it's bugged, so if it's actually fixed, i don't think it'd be a bad thing to keep it at that strictness level; it's just our wiki has a lot of translators who don't usually edit (they're just there to submit translations), hence we get an abnormally large amount of people asking about why captchas aren't showing up [00:21:23] I'm not inherently opposed though maybe there should be a 'caution' category for certain rights [00:25:04] @emiliers and @raidarr: I've done a PR. We'll see what CA and Reception123 say [00:26:23] @dmehus heads up that you may not see the answer to your questions for a hot minute til my internet problems get sorted [00:26:38] Feel free to note on wiki if you want [00:27:41] @pixldev: no worries, thanks for the update :) [00:29:02] what are your preferred pronouns, Pix? [00:31:51] I'll go without pronouns. [00:38:59] Pix uses he/him for future purposes [00:39:28] It's on his discord profile which I know you can't see from IRC :p [00:45:56] @hihello_what_are_you_doing_here: perfect, thank you. :) [00:46:08] * dmehus logs that into his memory banks [00:47:39] https://tenor.com/Y80x.gif [01:02:15] [1/2] > Note that cloudflare is changing the AI blocking policies on September 15 - located under security tab > settings > Configure AI bot policies [01:02:15] [2/2] - Agent and Training is set to allow by default [01:05:22] it would be interesting to let that be set on a subdomain/custom domain basis so wikis can explicitly opt either way [01:05:25] good dayyy my mirahezians [01:06:42] :stare: today my wiki just approve today not suree why it still lack of description [01:08:01] [1/2] ignore the last spart at the "All [01:08:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1537628830301421609/image.png?ex=6a7fbbf0&is=6a7e6a70&hm=083e41f93ebfec50a42595de5cc5fb42ffa500094c9b7abf6ff617f9df5e73fc& [01:24:01] Good evening, I was wondering what I might be doing wrong in Thord and NeepBus. Where's the proper place to ask such a question? [01:26:30] @vanmuur. Good evening. What seems to be wrong? [01:26:47] We can direct you to the right place if this is the wrong place (but it probably isn't) [01:27:11] This server is for the wiki farm Miraheze, and may not be what you’re looking for [01:28:03] We do not seem to host a `thord.miraheze.org` or `neepbus.miraheze.org` wiki, fwiw [01:33:39] Ok, so I have a PLC attached with a data cable to an automatic mouth, and I'm sending "1 "say" .nbwrite", but the automatic mouth is not receiving the message, or silently ignoring it, even though the input channel is "say". [01:34:03] All sliders seem to work well against the VSCs, so I'm assuming that neepbus is working. [01:34:34] @MirahezeRelay I totally understand if I may be in the wrong place. But I thuoght I'd just give it a try. [01:34:50] I meant Amelia, sorry. [01:41:32] @vanmuur: sounds like the wrong server. Sorry we can't help you out. My dad knows about PLCs and data cabling, but he's not in this Discord server (or on Discord for that matter) [01:42:17] No problem. I got directed here from the source code so I assumed it was a place for support. But, the search continues. Nice meeting you all! [01:42:49] nice meeting you, too :) [01:43:11] if you ever want to document your experience with PLCs, you can request a free wiki from us :) [01:43:14] no ads :) [01:43:48] I'm guessing the wiki in question is https://neepmeat.miraheze.org/wiki/NEEPMeat_Wiki [01:44:09] @posix_memalign: nice find. :) @vanmuur, you still in the server? [01:44:32] Yep! I'm here. I'll check that link. [01:44:59] That's the wiki I've been following for most of the time. I'll double check it though. [01:45:36] This likely explains why, https://neepmeat.miraheze.org/wiki/Wiki_Developer_Information links to the Miraheze Discord server [01:45:48] Let me see if I can contact a local bureaucrat on the wiki [01:45:57] do you have a wiki user account yet @vanmuur? [01:46:30] > Editing this wiki is currently limited to approved users. There will hopefully be an onboarding process for new users in the future. Previously, this would occur via Discord, but invitations have been closed due to a recent increase in popularity. [01:53:33] [1/2] Why [01:53:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1537640288254689380/D41D2CC1-B8BF-44BD-AE79-7C329EE38393.png?ex=6a7fc69c&is=6a7e751c&hm=281c9b3a0911b2a512251a4aa703b20b6a7571b578fe455ee3e1ce86d4f71124& [01:54:21] @posix_memalign: oh, Discord disabled new accounts? Interesting [01:54:35] Is void a slur or something? [01:54:47] No its miraheze account creation [01:54:51] oh [01:54:57] two different topics [01:55:38] looks like you hit the title blacklist, lole5309. It's designed to prevent impersonation with @orduin, who, interestingly, is named "Void" and might also be able to soften the title blacklist regex, perhaps [01:56:59] anyway, posix_memalign, I suggested that wiki might consider enabling Comments on the wiki and designated a page on the wiki where non-confirmed users can request editing privileges to the wiki [01:57:26] I think CVT tends to be targeted by impersonations. If Void was once active in that front but no longer so then we can probably soften the rule. [01:57:46] +1 don't think it's been a problem for years [01:58:47] thanks both :) [01:59:41] So to understand everything correctly, MeatWheeze is just using a Miraheze wiki page? [01:59:58] [1/2] I'm guessing namespace protections work best for this use case. Restrict main, template, and module NS and then allow edits in user and project talk namespace. [01:59:58] [2/2] I think some wiki admins are in general too fearful of opening to new contributions, which might be justified for a Minecraft wiki. [02:02:16] MeatWheeze created a wiki, which is an autonomous community hosted by Miraheze. If you have questions, reaching out to MeatWheeze (or other administrators) would be the best option. [02:02:52] thanks. I just wanted to understand the layout before I go around sending ridiculous messages. 😄 [02:05:31] And if you have questions about the game (not the game's wiki), it would be better to find a dedicated place for discussing that game (e.g. the official discord server, though it may not exist). [02:21:17] [1/2] Void is still a steward but not bringing down the deletion and account lock hammer so often these days. [02:21:17] [2/2] Removing the restriction seems worth a go [02:34:23] I've removed it then [02:42:30] my wiki icon isn't changing for not logged in accounts [02:42:54] when I log into my account, I see the correct wiki logo on my page. When I'm logged out, its still the old logo [02:56:03] I don't understand why its using the old thumbnail [02:56:23] This can be the result of a cache update delay. It should resolve itself in several minutes [02:56:34] its been 20 minutes [02:56:57] When I'm logged in, the logo is the correct one, when I'm not, it shows the old one [03:03:41] I think I fixed it [03:04:17] I hit purge file page a bunch of times [03:07:17] the cache is longer for logged out users [06:44:29] puipui molcar spotted [08:53:13] damn do we need to tech him up to fix that [13:14:18] anyone else experiencing an issue where you appear logged out but when you attempt to log in it says you're already in 😶 [13:46:46] @posix_memalign: yeah, that namespace configuration could also work well, too :) [14:38:52] [1/2] am i tripping or are these lines different sizes? [14:38:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1537832889411047565/image.png?ex=6a8079fc&is=6a7f287c&hm=0ee00753c9a6da916fbba093cdeec19bb62d49d31ee804faac7d81e1b61bd80f& [14:39:01] they both use the exact same line of code [14:41:36] @davym2009: not tripping (unless we're both tripping ;). Red and blue lines same size. Bottom blue line is slightly narrower than the top two [15:39:23] Looks the same to me [15:47:26] try adjusting the px of that red line to the same as the purple line [15:47:34] might be doing smth funny [15:49:06] All three of the lines use 3px [15:49:09] So likeee [15:49:22] Hold on lemme grab the code [15:49:43] wtf [15:49:54] [1/5] ```

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``` [15:51:11] there is some code above it but that's basically the same as the middle part of this one (the parts that use

and /p) [15:52:37] 3px might just be a weird size with ur res [15:52:52] try making it slightly thicker and see if u still notice a diff [15:52:58] like 5 [15:54:06] Yea idk why but the bottom like is like [15:54:10] 1 pixel smaller [15:54:32] welcome to scaling tomfoolery [15:54:56] [1/2] appears like this for me [15:54:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1537852031493083176/image.png?ex=6a808bd0&is=6a7f3a50&hm=59b300fc4cbf604e20f577cb8dd91cca9d62b0974ce094333e421d51d457f2db& [15:55:45] BUT IN EDITING MODE THEYRE BOTH THE SAME SIZE- [15:55:55] And the bottom purple line? [15:56:20] also 4px [15:56:56] [1/2] however when i zoom in to 140% i get this [15:56:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1537852531072573581/image.png?ex=6a808c47&is=6a7f3ac7&hm=e329917b72306f0241857f39e1317a317a09f6102bf9fffae70d2c8982265e4b& [15:57:11] I hate optical illusions 😭 [15:57:14] Oh what [15:58:09] Yea nah i think this is just weird optical illusion with how our brains process colours next to eachother [15:58:25] that too [16:21:07] nope they're defenitally different sizes, put my cursor next to them to check and one is exactly my cursor size while the other is noticably bigger [16:21:16] idk what kinda black magic miraheze is doing [16:24:51] guys how do i use the core on the muse sword [16:31:32] consider investing in CSS [16:32:24] this is some nonsense [16:36:00] Scared i'll break stuff [16:36:35] it's basically the same as inline HTML styles, it's just less cancerous to read and write [16:37:00] (we're mediawiki, of course we won't add a way to indent HTML) [16:37:58] yeah CSS is basically what you're already doing but instead of spelling out all the styles in-line you group them together, give that group a name, and then use `class="name"` which is much more compact and much easier for keeping things consistent [16:39:33] You know any IDE ever, including ace editor, has had this cool little thing called a tab [16:42:45] Anything you break in css can be easily reverted and or fixed [16:44:35] Which is [16:44:46] tab [16:45:02] What s a rav [16:45:03] any code editor ever lets you press tab to indent, which iirc is a special character that's not technically whitespace [16:45:05] Tavb [16:45:15] How fo.es thay work [16:45:35] do you not use vscode or something 💔 [16:45:58] No [16:46:00] you just press tab and it makes a gap of 2/4 ""spaces"" (depends on settings) automatically [16:46:14] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972727958873722884/1529657511773339688/caption.gif [16:46:24] ohhh that [16:46:29] yeah i know dat [17:22:17] Who do I talk to regarding donations) [17:22:20] ? [17:34:32] @henricksson.: what's your question? Maybe we can help. There is also [[Special:MyLanguage/Donate]], too. [17:34:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Donate [17:36:33] Already fixed [17:36:35] Thanks [17:37:08] okay, great :) [19:13:46] a sequence of events led my eyes & hands away from overseeing the wiki I founded for a number of months, during which account-less users made some edits to a number of pages. Is there a way for me to see more at the "Recent changes" tracker beyond the latest that falls under "500 changes, 30 days"? [19:15:07] You can change the days part up to 180 by default [19:15:17] I tink [19:15:20] Think* [19:15:36] You can change it in the url to like 300 and it will be set to whatever the max is [19:20:51] it worked! I can see back to when I had to stop, thank you very much [19:21:03] hey pixldev :) [19:23:36] Additional settings > recent changes > default recent changes days is where that lives [19:31:08] tweaked it to max settings, thanks once again [19:40:10] blodne blazer has returned [19:40:20] halp! [19:40:49] i have no idea if it's worthy of a thread it's the most minuscule issue [19:52:24] What is it? [21:33:22] hello! [21:44:05] hey albany [22:50:06] Anyone know any tv show wikis that are using the timeless skin and have good themes? 🧐 [22:52:09] specifically main pages I'm interested in [22:54:43] Equestripedia does but the themes quality might be a bit questionable atm [23:01:08] i'm kinda looking for inspo but there's not much out there unfortunately [23:01:50] Yeah I get that [23:03:31] [1/2] I been really working on my theme recently and i think it looks good atp but the main page just ruins it because I don't really know what to put there [23:03:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1537959888540667974/image.png?ex=6a80f043&is=6a7f9ec3&hm=356399dbb9d15ba02e049d322c7bb0a26e34ed16326d1e2c2fc76464e79bc5d0& [23:03:58] I usually just do two columns like Fandom but the content area isn't wide enough to do properly [23:07:47] Silo mentioned [23:08:06] SUCH a good show [23:08:08] have you seen? [23:08:15] kinda offtopic but alas [23:08:50] No but my cousins liked it. I should get around to it. [23:09:02] definitely one of Apple's best shows to date