[00:01:11] are you sure [00:07:48] let's say your cells are entire sentences [00:08:02] of unequal length [00:08:32] at that point, it'd be difficult to tell where a new row begins [00:08:52] makes sense [00:17:05] [1/2] does any wiki even use this extension [00:17:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1541964667855962112/image.png?ex=6a8f8201&is=6a8e3081&hm=4c00c91928e895ea8c15978b769d9f05231afaf0d5a153848c6219a24a96cf61& [00:19:36] yes [00:19:50] which [00:21:02] the ones I use [00:24:54] is it useful [00:25:36] yes [00:25:45] have you ever seen a table inside a parser function [00:25:51] it's awful [00:32:38] no cause i've never done that [00:36:05] and don't ever plan to considering you said that [00:36:12] how does that work though [00:37:16] like a normal table except `{{!}}` instead of `|` [00:45:26] making tables use pipes was a very good idea [00:46:38] ive done it! [00:46:39] it's so nnoying [00:47:53] read it and weep [00:51:46] this is a reference to how you should use lua instead of dealing with tables in parsers [00:53:35] yeah that's the plan [00:54:52] I ❤️ scribunto [00:54:55] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304598380173070426/1541079360268669028/togif.gif [01:06:57] is it that bad [01:33:05] Honestly still better than Markdown [02:49:30] markdown? [02:52:04] [1/2] https://www.markdownlang.com/extended/tables.html [02:52:05] [2/2] Markdown [02:52:27] how bad is it [02:52:49] Read the link and see for yourself [02:54:59] WTF am i looking at [03:27:02] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1399059949262340207 [03:27:10] Not here [07:31:04] what does body and head do for css [07:37:58] I faintly remember reading something about it, but I actually don't remember [07:39:20] [1/2] The Body contains everything that appears on the page visual to the user. [07:39:21] [2/2] The Head contains things you don’t need to see/don’t physically appear (i.e. stylesheets) [07:41:38] is body basically like user interface, like colors and stuff [07:41:46] stylizing of wiki [07:42:00] Does that count as a body [07:53:38] body is [07:53:43] EVERYTHING you see [07:53:51] divs, p, anything that is visible to you [07:53:58] the head is everything NOT visible to you [07:54:25] style tags, script tags, title, google search engine key [08:34:30] Okg [10:52:24] [1/4] > have you ever seen a table inside a parser function [10:52:24] [2/4] > it's awful [10:52:24] [3/4] this is hilarious [10:52:24] [4/4] needs to be slapped on a meme image [10:57:09] this intimidates me [10:58:16] might steal it, though 🤔 [10:59:10] can the image be aligned to the top instead of the center? (so it stays in places regardless of description length [11:18:54] not currently afaik. I was trying to convince some moderators to try their hand at remaking it with divs and display:grid [11:39:13] With the translation extension, is there a way to bulk mark pages for translation, or would I have to go through and /translate each page manually? [11:47:27] Never mind, please disregard the above. I've found Special:PreparePage which will do. [11:49:41] Struck as it seems to break with tables. [12:25:20] but why on earth would you enable translation if you didn't want every page to be broken. that's the entire point of the extension [13:23:05] It seems I have no choice but to agree, I can't make this work in a sensible way. [13:30:21] Does anyone know how to change my wiki name [13:32:06] [[requesting Username Changes]] [13:32:07]

[13:36:47] but thats username [13:36:51] i mean the wiki page name [13:38:23] The page or the whole wiki? [13:39:59] If page then you can Move it (page tools), if the wiki then off the top of my head I can't remember. [13:40:21] Might be in ManageWiki, might need to be requested. [13:51:33] the whole wiki [13:51:43] oh [13:51:44] okay [13:51:45] thank you [13:56:51] <_arawynn> If you want to change the url as well you'll need to request that at Stewards requests [14:03:01] depends on why you need the name changed [14:03:41] if it's because you're changing what the wiki's about, then you'd go to [[SR/M]] [14:03:42]

[14:04:25] if it's just something like you want the name to be shorter or if the thing you're documenting changed its name, then [[phorge]] [14:04:26]

[14:06:10] wiki has not been reopened even though they marked it as done? [14:06:47] If you mean the site notice is still there, could that just be caching? [14:06:59] which wiki [14:09:38] https://overkill.miraheze.org [14:11:55] I don't think it was done properly [14:12:02] i will hit it with a hammer [14:13:42] same with the 2 above my request have the same problem [14:14:25] done for yours [14:14:35] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log?logid=1901245 confused koises [14:14:50] yes [14:14:51] i blame the moon [14:15:02] i am looking at the other [14:16:09] r u bcrat now [14:16:40] hopefully fixed for all @supremevux @pixldev [14:16:44] he is not [14:17:30] who is [14:17:44] i very much want that stub and sitenotice removed [14:18:13] https://overkill.miraheze.org/Special:ListUsers?username=&group=bureaucrat&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&limit=50 [14:18:32] reopening doesn't come with rights unless they decide to fully adopt the wiki [14:18:49] the closed sitenotice will go away automatically soon [14:18:59] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1542176536805904496/image.png?ex=6a904752&is=6a8ef5d2&hm=12613d8cb7c80c31a58ac5ba889cb9c0344a2c883d7ab692a40040b6ac8330cd& [14:18:59] these [14:19:16] the person i gave bcrat to, didnt remove them [14:19:20] ok [14:19:29] @pixldev can help with that [14:20:10] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1542176834408685568/Skarmbild_2026-08-26_161919.png?ex=6a904799&is=6a8ef619&hm=b799d81c9871260bb61545390a8d8985401c5d6782904bf6bcd113b43c2af827& [14:21:23] wait isn't wiki name simply editable in managewiki? [14:21:40] if no need to change url/dbname i think crats can handle it locally [14:22:05] this is gone [14:27:37] yeah I realised after posting, that's why I had `(this is for xxx.miraheze.org -> yyy.miraheze.org)` on my first message [15:15:35] if createwiki ai down? [15:16:19] it only answers `This request could not be automatically evaluated. Please wait for human review.`, for 40 minutes already [15:16:23] Yes [15:16:43] I'll try to find the exact explanation they gave [15:17:20] [1/2] This is the reason Miraheze gave for the AI being down [15:17:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1542191220929863791/Screenshot_2026-08-26_161704.png?ex=6a9054ff&is=6a8f037f&hm=74a09826e7b0455e5104bd97892a5d58e57f4d9583e3dc94a0e478690735a25f& [15:18:03] oh. i forgot `?uselang=en` page offers more info [15:19:55] I'm actually planning on applying to be a wiki reviewer once my account is old enough [15:21:37] i think mh should make such notices more accessible to non-english users [15:22:28] it includes important info that may help even if it's in english, untranslated [15:30:45] [1/3] Wow, I never realised there was such a big difference between the English and non-English versions [15:30:46] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1542194600507351210/Screenshot_2026-08-26_162956.png?ex=6a905825&is=6a8f06a5&hm=a09526e7f81137640d9f1a353ad1011311a9bb03c73df108571b77a58308ad65& [15:30:46] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1542194600880640144/Screenshot_2026-08-26_162948.png?ex=6a905825&is=6a8f06a5&hm=9ecbdb6b224e3dbae4c2457d15c1f8d1aa178e60adaef881189e39b17e35e84b& [15:33:07] the navigation things may be just a nice-to-have that may be omitted on other languages [15:33:21] but notices worth more accessibility [15:46:56] <_arawynn> the AI being down was somewhat expected [15:48:36] <_arawynn> though I'm kind of surprised it only happened this recently [15:52:07] it was also quite easily avoidable [15:59:14] seems it's scheduled rather than expected: [[special:diff/559290]] [15:59:15]

[16:00:37] ehhh [16:00:39] no it was more expected [16:00:46] openai deprecated the assistants API today [16:01:28] <_arawynn> and there's a change to a new model that's being tested currently [16:02:58] afaict the old model was gpt 4o [16:03:06] which is incredibly overpriced and incredibly stupid by modern standards [16:03:46] I never liked the gpt 4 series it was always overhyped [16:05:23] <_arawynn> I don't like AI and ChatGPT especially, but it did a decent enough job at supporting the review process [16:05:44] tbh Claude is better [16:05:52] for some stuff anyway [16:05:59] apparently Claude code is very good [16:06:40] <_arawynn> I've used the free version of Claude for VBA coding for a Database, it worked well enough to get me what I wanted [16:06:48] claude code is uh [16:06:53] not perfect [16:07:07] would you say it's better than Gemini? [16:07:09] I was making some stuff and it decided to add "This report says someone is about to die" to the UI [16:07:21] don't let it do your interface text is the moral of the story [16:07:26] given enough guidance though it can do pretty well [16:08:17] Who even uses Gemini [16:08:24] I only hear about ChatGPT and Claude [16:08:24] gemini is actually better than gpt I think [16:08:32] That's surprising [16:08:35] gpt is sycophantic [16:08:36] still [16:08:39] it's better than it used to be [16:08:47] but you can tell when it's chatgpt [16:08:56] claude writes much more like a human than gpt [16:09:00] although that's not saying much [16:09:25] go to offtopic I gotta funny story to tell [16:11:18] me ! [16:11:25] Kai [16:11:38] gemini 3.7 flash is extremely good for a small use case [16:11:46] huh [16:14:07] if i had a spare 20-30 bucks to throw on an AI sub, i think id choose OpenAI for 5.6 luna [16:17:08] claude sonnet is definitely better [16:17:44] I use Gemini flash or flash-lite [16:20:51] how to not use !important tag in source edit that much [16:21:02] if u dont use !important tag, the color nor changes dont show up [16:21:13] only if reload page for split second [16:22:02] sonnet 5 $10 out [16:22:05] luna $1.20 [16:30:31] Luna is what is powering the cw AI successor. [16:30:41] At least, that's current plan. [16:31:18] Definitely cheaper than the previous 4o implementation and so far hasn't done anything too wacky in testing [16:31:49] i want to use !important tag less, but i have no idea how to force it other way [16:32:27] [1/9] i could only do that with interface from citizen skin by like directly writing: [16:32:27] [2/9] .skin-citizen .citizen-header, [16:32:27] [3/9] .skin-citizen .citizen-header::before { [16:32:28] [4/9] background-color: #280a42; [16:32:28] [5/9] background-image: none; [16:32:28] [6/9] backdrop-filter: none; [16:32:29] [7/9] -webkit-backdrop-filter: none; [16:32:29] [8/9] opacity: 1; [16:32:29] [9/9] } [16:33:11] wait nvm [16:33:18] i just had to leave it like that [16:33:42] but still [16:34:01] how do people find out if you can use #content or #mw-wrapper or something like that [16:35:18] Inspect element, I think? Don't know how you use it though. [16:35:20] Inspect element [16:36:06] Press ctrl+shift+c and hover over the thing you want to target, it'll highlight it both on the page and in the html [16:36:29] i did use it but [16:36:33] i cant find the thing to target [16:36:38] the #content or anything like that [16:36:52] so i can force the interface changes other way by not using !important tag [16:38:01] or shall i still continue using skin.citizen thing [16:38:59] I end up usually going F12 and diving down the page element hierarchy until I find what I want if normal methods are of no help. [16:40:33] [1/2] im trying to find the thingy so it works, but when i cant seem to force the infobox to change colors from my css unlike with !important, it just stays blue instead of purple [16:40:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1542212164180508752/image.png?ex=6a906880&is=6a8f1700&hm=9e982597da095002f21707cf2900d3e38c84ee2928a94dbee7d9507dd7ed3438& [16:41:21] so im kinda just lost [16:43:21] [1/2] i just target the infobox itself but it seems to be missing something to work without !important tag [16:43:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1542212860451487845/image.png?ex=6a906926&is=6a8f17a6&hm=6d115ec303ffd9f4befd24d085e60ed8f6e2c3a410782321816d5c0d67ca1f02& [16:43:35] because somebody told me once i shouldnt use !important that much [16:45:58] [1/2] it just doesnt want to be used, very stubborn [16:45:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1542213530210533577/image.png?ex=6a9069c6&is=6a8f1846&hm=179dea7368394da1424ce30eb28bb9d92fca1d6208707a835da6184e20b5d622& [16:51:52]