[00:22:08] [1/2] what are the class names for this so I can stylize it, keeps going away too quickly [00:22:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543415486681710754/image.png?ex=6a94c92f&is=6a9377af&hm=110843e0f3b2487b07607d2339eea2e80cd587cb7853aebd176fe35a62d1d471& [00:23:41] nvm [00:26:41] How do i reset my wiki [00:27:17] I was listening to a friend on what to do and now i have a bunch of imported wiki templates that dont work properly [00:40:38] [1/2] did a bit more tweaking, nice (this means basically nothing I just like high numbers) [00:40:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543420141302194277/image.png?ex=6a94cd85&is=6a937c05&hm=86f807481fa0765f190afa419a893866b376853eb7219c72a75444a041cb9265& [01:18:40] oml THANK YOU NOTARACHAM!!!! [01:25:31] [1/2] having absolutely no syntax is scary [01:25:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543431442015715440/image.png?ex=6a94d80b&is=6a93868b&hm=7e80da456ded0a0166003f2ac99c480cbfb19cfd10d67c609c866b6574a68b14& [01:35:26] how did people back then do it??? [01:37:48] Glad to be of help, good luck with rest of wiki cleanup and expansion. [01:38:11] They didn’t [01:38:18] Sintaxe looks so much cooler than syntax [01:38:25] what....... [01:38:50] It’s a mystery how the early coders coded [01:39:13] Punchcards and far too much hand math [01:39:18] omg thank you so much [01:39:20] they were doing random shit and praying they worked [01:39:52] [1/2] Every time I read about early video game development [01:39:53] [2/2] I sweat nervously [01:40:09] Making graphics through code sounds especially obnoxious [01:41:08] they sacrificed their sanity to make progamming much easier for future developers [01:46:01] wait say more [01:46:03] i'm interested [01:46:55] Iunno the exact process. Early pixel graphics had to be created via assigning colored pixels to a grid through code and not a graphic design program [01:47:37] [1/2] When I say old games I mean like this [01:47:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543437001460551680/IMG_6269.jpg?ex=6a94dd38&is=6a938bb8&hm=a212fe50b28385eefcc65b77c58719f549d9d30806d0c23df2009e4633a2b197& [01:48:56] wow that sounds painful [01:58:03] had to do that shit in assembly too prob [01:58:08] sounds fun [01:58:43] actually no sometimes I forget how old C is [02:28:34] smallam how long would you last coding without syntax [02:28:48] this is still readable [02:29:08] it's readable but gets confusing fast imo [04:19:47] am i just cooked [04:23:29] You have two routes: manual deletion of the templates or a [[phorge]] ticket for tech team assistance [04:23:30]

[04:28:25] Okay! thanks [05:02:23] hi there. [05:04:45] i hope you all be alright. i want to make an zim file out of a wiki that is hosted on miraheze, how can i do that without anubis stopping the progress? [06:59:15] what about already approved, existing wikis with same scope? [06:59:41] [1/3] i noticed these: [06:59:41] [2/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/34180 [06:59:42] [3/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/63875 [07:02:20] [1/3] both are in use: [07:02:20] [2/3] https://cnmusic.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Statistics?uselang=en [07:02:20] [3/3] https://cpop.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Statistics?uselang=en [07:06:08] oh, according to [[CP#Forks]] one of them has to be closed? [07:06:09]

[07:12:45] oh sorry i think i misread it. CP says `Nor does it apply to wikis that are in different languages from one another.` one wiki is `Chinese` the other is `Chinese (China)` so ig it doesn't apply [07:17:17] chara: we don't run Anubis. Are you getting an error? [08:32:01] the favored approach is reconciliation, sometimes they have been left alone if there isn't really conflict [08:33:07] although the latter is more of a time prioritization choice than a true lack of basis to reconcile [08:35:27] so global volunteers won't deal with such cases proactively? [08:40:39] Global volunteers have limited time, it's probably better to focus on things that are actively creating issues. [08:41:32] effectively they are dealt with as backlog reports [08:42:03] the priority is indeed low because the actual problem is usually low although wikis that actively create friction or are pretty trivial reconciliations tend to resolve quicker [08:42:55] i see [08:43:11] btw is it possible to make createwiki ai recognize potentially repeated wiki requests? [08:43:33] the two do overlap a lot if you look into it [08:43:36] it is reasonable to make a [[SR/WR]] entry anyway, indeed encouraged in the case of established overlapping wikis because unless it is something as immediate as a just approved wiki that has an obvious conflict, it is probably not an instant reconcillation [08:43:37]

[08:45:15] A preferred approach at a glance because the two wikis are well underway is to make them aware of each other and recommend the existence of the other to both [08:46:27] making the ai aware of existing wikis or duplicated requests has been an idea a few times and I forget why it was not feasible enough to bake in, but I recall it would at least involve special work to make it aware of something in a way that isn't trivial by default [08:47:01] although I would still think something like a raw list where hm, there is already a doors wiki, read that request would result in very obvious cases like the doors wiki being reconciled [08:47:23] without necessarily having the ai websearch all live wikis or something similarly intensive [08:48:24] the idea from my primitive understanding would be something like a vector db glued on that can refer to the broader queue which would at least catch more things although there are wildcards like when wikis are changed via sr and phorge with no reflection on the request, but this can trip up stewards as well [08:49:54] I do agree it would be very optimal to hit this at the actual requesting level, and recent changes have made the ai itself more affordable in operation with little slip in quality, so perhaps we have a little room if this is something available to our arrangement. cc @cosmicalpha for thoughts and if maybe a phorge task to this effect would make sense [08:50:06] be it vector db or another approach [08:51:01] I imagine some sort of comprehensive list of wikis and scope could also be helpful for human reviewers too. [08:51:16] But would probably be a nightmare to compile. [08:59:36] maybe it's good maintain a requestwiki form but reflects the wiki's current staatus [09:00:15] including dbname change, scope change, etc [09:27:20] RhinosF1: hm, no, havent tried but thought i have saw anubis somewhere. [09:27:23] i will try [09:27:50] Please try [09:28:12] If you do get blocked by the firewall, PM me with your user agent and ip after a few attempts and I'll look [09:28:18] We can exempt you if you're blocked [09:28:25] thanks a lot. [09:55:53] can we filter recent changes to not show the endless stream of "user creation log"? [10:07:50] One day some kind individual will make a GUI version of PyWikiBot [10:10:56] autowikibrowser? [10:11:48] Something that works on Linux without Winr [10:12:06] And no don't say JWB [10:12:26] Actual hell [10:12:54] I mean [10:12:56] you could just [10:12:58] make it yourself lmao [10:13:11] I was wondering what it would take [10:13:17] jwb is better than nothing [10:13:23] i sometimes have to use it on mobile [10:13:34] Wow [10:13:36] well [10:13:40] depends how far you want to go [10:13:45] JWB is fine for 99% of things [10:13:58] It's just clunky, that's all [10:14:06] And a massive eyesore [10:14:15] the fact AWB uses subversion is enough to put me off [11:01:11] [1/2] I'm trying to get the Disambig part to not be read by the preview but I can't find anything for it in the stuff on text extract [11:01:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543576310922748017/image.png?ex=6a955ef6&is=6a940d76&hm=f8abfdc95c155fda0bd7414edc4bfebf70fce160c27c7aa745e2e859a6bb5e41& [11:52:18] syntax is a feature of all languages. "syntax highlighting" is the term you're looking for [11:52:47] also I never use syntax highlighting, although that's a bit of a cheat since I do have vscode [11:53:37] yeah that [11:53:48] why don't you use it thou [11:53:54] performance [11:54:03] also iirc it messes with ctrl+f [11:54:14] what does ctrl+f do [11:55:42] wwr also known as google [13:40:15] wikitext vscode? [13:40:26] is that something one could just enable [13:47:52] [1/2] [[dev:jswikibot]] is an imitation of pywikibot. [13:47:53] [2/2] The whole reason I wrote it was because I really liked pwb generators and filters but there aren't anything like it that can be conveniently run in the browser. [13:47:53]

[13:48:27] Very interesting [13:50:01] [13:51:55] oh you mean just editing wikitext in vscode [13:52:34] thought it was something else [13:52:55] there's also some integration with the actual wiki but I don't bother with that [13:53:48] thats cool [13:54:39] maybe it would be helpful for automatically pulling wiki modules [13:55:14] yeah [14:19:02] [1/5] hi! does anyone else experience any ERR_TIMED_OUT when on a wiki? [14:19:02] [2/5] > Loads for a while and then it just gives me an error, doesn't happen with any other site so I don't think it's my WiFi [14:19:02] [3/5] > Same thing happens on my PC [14:19:02] [4/5] - from one of my users [14:19:03] [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543626100461019156/HQ-dAOIWAAAhE8g.png?ex=6a958d55&is=6a943bd5&hm=eac8e49086e63956ffe3782caed6bec80473a99035149ee4dc912d77d3f3242d& [14:21:34] nope [15:01:41] We can't do this in either this AI or the old AI really, we will be able to when we finish our in house AI though probably. [15:04:05] I feel like if it's ERR_TIMED_OUT it's not directly caused by mh [15:04:16] if it was a timeout between cloudflare -> mh servers cloudflare would show some interstitial page [15:06:41] Can you do a trace route pls [15:21:55] [1/2] hello minerva please center your fucking search bar thank you [15:21:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543641927898103858/image.png?ex=6a959c13&is=6a944a93&hm=a9d06011d496fcd674044a4f3d5663f2fc4c658b5d1354abf769a6591789d76b& [15:22:28] > minerva [15:23:10] minerva was never meant to be a serious skin, it was meant to be used on Wikipedia with MobileFrontend [15:23:48] [1/2] yeah I'm aware, I don't care how it looks at larger screen sizes but like [15:23:48] [2/2] cmon you couldnt've at least centered the search bar? [15:30:01] minerva is useless [15:30:05] it's actively missing features [15:30:12] like the settings menu is really dodgy [15:32:02] and this is why you should submit to our citizen overlords [15:32:12] why do you think I made citizen the default skin on WO [15:32:17] out of the box citizen just looks nice [15:32:26] you don't need to customise it really and it is still nice [15:32:42] plus citizen is the only skin I can think of that has really good mobile support [15:33:21] vector 2022 is fine for desktop and I prefer it to vector 2010 but it's pretty poor on mobile [15:33:28] I haven’t really had any issue wit timeless mobile so far [15:33:36] what about responsive mode vector 2022 [15:33:46] I mean vector works but [15:33:48] citizen is nicer [15:33:53] it has that floating thingy at the bottom with all the tools [15:34:02] it's just fiddly to use on mobile [15:35:14] it totally depends on icons on mobile [15:36:26] on mobile citizen you must rely on your muscle memory on pages with non-icon actions such as managewiki and abusefilter [15:36:49] wdym? [15:37:11] tbf abusefilter is pretty poor on mobile in general [15:37:49] in general abusefilter has some pretty poor UX though lol [15:38:07] oh I see what you mean [15:38:14] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543646032213319740/image.png?ex=6a959fe5&is=6a944e65&hm=a858758e612bf90e2178369c89dc4a1a53a6a82195256338614907d32e39697a& [15:38:46] [1/2] you have to remember which is extension and which is namespace [15:38:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543646169270587412/image.png?ex=6a95a006&is=6a944e86&hm=987106fd55834e8a6028f567f2b37087009b29aa7c13a5b4c52fa7ee53c8f4e2& [15:38:53] yes i mean that [15:39:00] same to abusefilter and managewiki [15:39:30] I would go patch it but I don't like submitting wmf patches [15:39:32] gerrit is scary [15:39:35] and really confusing [15:40:21] [1/2] minerva shows the tab names [15:40:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543646565858811935/image.png?ex=6a95a064&is=6a944ee4&hm=c0ff640d637c0281986aeeed19bc097b4d9be1d98b5cca119b653281e6d5d0ed& [15:40:41] I think it's because citizen is going for the icons first approach [15:40:48] which would work if developers added icons to their actions [15:41:02] [1/2] so is vector-2022 [15:41:02] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543646738311676084/image.png?ex=6a95a08d&is=6a944f0d&hm=cc97ad4c1470a7786e5fb265f0176dbcf0facaf510144d8f2929c77517eb88ff& [15:41:34] maybe managewiki is fine owned by mh. i don't think abusefilter tabs would get icons [15:41:48] and citizen only uses icons from codex afaik [15:42:13] it's not easy to find icons that fit each tab of abusefilter/managewiki either [15:42:40] abusefilter tabs wouldn't get icons because the wmf don't really give that many shits about people downstream unless they patch it themselves [15:42:47] but theoretically it could be patched just to detect citizen mobile [15:47:46] maybe citizen should show beginning few characters as fallback for actions without icons, i just guess [15:48:29] that would probably be more confusing [15:50:39] [1/2] this would be much more understanable than blank buttons [15:50:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543649157095497839/image.png?ex=6a95a2ce&is=6a94514e&hm=fa4e9b5068f2356387a62e75677b7616f00102908e9c8282bc8fee307716d94f& [15:57:41] [1/2] implemented for my wiki :alive: [15:57:42] [2/2] Also had to fix one bug with it, if one sorts by new and upvotes/downvotes a comment, commentstreams would still change comment position on the loaded page [16:01:22] i wonder why userprofilev2 doesn't implement a static url for avatars based on userid [16:02:40] it's either avatar_{uid}.png or .jpg (or .jpeg and more?) now. if a static url returns the avatar it would save many requests [16:03:11] adding official avatars support across profilesv2 and commentstreams is like 30 minute work for the extension devs [16:03:12] (requests to try extension names or requests to queryuserprofilev2) [16:04:10] maybe? we're also waiting for a new comment extension to be reviewed by miraheze [16:04:20] which one [16:04:31] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T14569 [16:04:56] it already includes native upv2 avatars [16:05:41] i plan to switch to it from commentstreams as soon as it's approved and deployed [16:06:11] looks very promising [16:16:37] https://github.com/miraheze/ManageWiki/pull/807 should be fixed if this is merged [16:16:47] the icons are limited by citizen but [16:17:16] [1/2] this still looks a whole lot better [16:17:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1543655855256502442/image.png?ex=6a95a90b&is=6a94578b&hm=bf7ddd8e2c00cc9ffd04ccd3e3b67e1677af8b79dc8a7cca7e79e2a20fe0ec37& [16:17:21] although maybe not the best choice of the flask for core but [16:17:24] I couldn't think of anything better [16:17:33] impressively speedy [16:18:30] do they appear on citizen only on mobile or also on desktop? i like the designs [16:18:34]