[00:00:31] oh this is good to know thank you [00:01:15] I am still adapting to the lowercase bucket name tbqh, I know that's how it has to be done in Lua, it just feels so Different from how mediawiki treats pagenames [00:02:25] so DOUBLE is this ... wow I NEVER would have guessed that [00:02:39] so I should use that for decimals and such things [00:03:32] Ouh thanks [00:12:58] DPL has to be one of the worst experiences i've had on my wiki, it gets the job done but i have no memory of how the things i made work. they r like black magic to me [00:19:19] i have lovehate relationship with dpl. its hard not to feel stockholm syndromed into it after years of fandom [00:19:34] [1/2] meanwhile my bucket experience is just [00:19:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1544864395417362452/bafkreidaahiiphx6dimo6dgaz7vqnotjlrxej66anroisxqcvlrm3pluvq.png?ex=6a9a0e96&is=6a98bd16&hm=1c36c97e053eedff67985db02671864a67200aa4cfc1aa9fa59c3d35321091ae& [00:20:09] god everything we were doing with it was SO hacky [00:21:18] hello [00:22:11] i am trying to upload/edit a javascript file onmiraheze.org wiki, but get this error about size --- which is more than the maximum of 2,048 kilobytes. [00:22:40] i tried to search for info on the internet but i find absolutely zero info on this limit [00:25:36] if the content of the script/data i want is over this size i cannot save. I had this problem before but never been able to solve it [00:26:50] But now the gama data is over 2MB. This file is used by a game calculator/simulator that i have. [00:28:05] And unfortunately i cannot link directly to the file on the game server since miraheze.or does not allow me to link t external files.....so i have to copy it into the wiki each time the game has a new event. [00:28:17] what kind of data is in this file? Is it a json? [00:28:33] you'll need to split it into multiple pages and have your JS load each one [00:29:02] can i bypass this limit or is it set in stone ? [00:29:13] i cannot find any info on this [00:29:27] [00:29:47] it's this limit basically, so it can be changed, but i'm not personally sure if it's changeable on mh [00:30:12] oh yeah, it is a restricted change [00:30:16] for performance reasons [00:30:49] [1/2] this is the file with game data: [00:30:50] [2/2] https://cdn.smutstone.com/s2/dde2bb22.conf.js [00:31:03] at the momment it has almost 4MB [00:32:16] it's form a game with sets of cards. [00:41:37] okay I see so you're using it for a js based combat simulator... I still think that if it's getting to be that long you may want to just start splitting it up into multiple scripts and loading each one before executing your code, because if it's already 4mb who knows how much longer it would get, but i'm not the person to ask about js matters lol [00:41:38] [1/2] found it , unfortunately i cannot change it [00:41:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1544869945861603378/image.png?ex=6a9a13c1&is=6a98c241&hm=f7a835f42d6dc4bb187a3e01655155fc8237c63833d1f67196fbe5131dc84bc0& [00:41:40] yeah [00:44:01] I think this falls under "other extensions and settings" here: [00:44:29] do you think there is any chance that they will let me link directly to the file if i request it ?!! [00:50:42] thanks for help....seems that there are 2 ways, either split or link directly but for that i need to make a request. [00:50:57] or have them increase max article size [00:51:32] which seems more likely to be approved to me than linking external scripts [00:51:34] yes, but that is not a permanent solution, it will soon go over 4MB [00:51:37] yeah true [00:52:10] How far over your limit are you? another option is making a tool that automatically takes when you want from the .json and leaves everything else, those syntax add up [00:52:12] i think it goes up by 1MB each year. [01:12:16] yes, i will get only the useful info and see how much i can scrap... [02:25:43] Technically it's an arbitrary restriction. The idea is to only have one possible valid name for each bucket/field so that finding stuff through search is easier [02:26:20] Same reason you can't do select * from a module [02:26:35] It comes from my frustration with understanding usages of smw [02:32:01] I totally understand that, it also encouraged me to keep the names short and sweet, but at the same time it would be simpler if I can have them perfectly match the template names. still, it's an extremely minor concession [02:43:33] [1/2] Hey so I accidentally abandoned my request to open a new wiki and yet I'm still interested in making a wiki. Is there any way to undo that? [02:43:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1544900632375205898/image.png?ex=6a9a3055&is=6a98ded5&hm=7081a528acc67f86f5d853bd5a03f552fc4e9b0e7cd9224cee51141cdff87b3c& [02:45:31] [1/2] I also did a steward request on this situation: [02:45:31] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Restricted_changes [02:53:34] I also tried recreating the request but it didn't work [04:32:53] The unabandon thing did go through. Thanks! [05:47:26] who is chicken zeke? [06:45:12] There's a cooldown on it to stop people misusing the system, somewhere between 3 days and a week but I can't remember exactly. [13:42:16] [1/2] random question: [13:42:16] [2/2] is there any reason not to use my ISP's hotspot instead of keeping my wifi on every day? [13:43:20] tempted to turn the router-modem off completely of it's safe to. less RF and EMF waves 🤞🏿 [13:52:33] is it a common practice to categorise pages in the mediawiki namespace😅 [13:54:17] Realistically you are exposed to so much already [13:55:54] If you live in any urban area or terraced houses/tower block/semi detached/whatever your neighbours will have wifi networks and they will have mobile masts [13:56:23] Turning off wifi doesn't really make much difference lol [14:03:17] No [14:09:03] I am bored. [14:30:32] so why quit smoking if you're exposed to so much 2nd-hand smoke already? [14:30:50] hi, bored, i'm questioning [14:31:29] Yeah it's different though lol [14:31:37] You can escape smokers in your own house [14:31:44] Because smoke doesn't go through walls [14:31:50] RF can [14:31:56] I mean the impact is so minimal in any case [14:33:49] [1/2] so your argument is that lowering the amount of exposure should not be a goal because "there's so much already"? 😐 [14:33:49] [2/2] so i shouldn't use water filters then? or grow plants to purify my air? [14:34:07] No, my point is it won't lower the amount of exposure [14:34:24] It's like plugging in one of those plastic bricks and thinking it will cleanse your personality [14:34:24] wut [14:34:40] Any urban area contains enough that it makes no difference [14:35:05] [1/2] source? [14:35:06] [2/2] that's a hell of a claim [14:35:39] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32408065/ [14:36:04] I mean you would also be able to tell because there are 5G masts everywhere [14:37:07] Please take this crap elsewhere [14:37:12] Like not on this server [14:40:48] some ppl like to categorize stylesheets and scripts [14:52:07] Well, I have a RSS feed on my desktop that shows the Miraheze meta recent changes [15:37:45] insanely uncommon [16:25:34] [1/2] How do I fix this [16:25:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545107498170851378/IMG_3441.jpg?ex=6a9af0fe&is=6a999f7e&hm=51e5dbc9ff4d0209b84e382c6c23c24263e14cbddcee8a9b7d36f7836511e304& [16:27:37] we should really pin the "don't copy templates from Wikipedia" verbiage [16:28:55] we better make some premade basic template sets for new wikis of different themes to import from dev [16:29:13] Unfortunately I don’t know how to make my own templates so Wikipedia it is [16:29:28] I would advise learning lua then [16:29:54] I managed to get Wikipedia templates working (a tree grapth) [16:30:03] Do you have advice for how to solve the above problems? [16:30:08] But then again, I have custom templates on what of my wikis [16:30:42] fandom has some basic templates same for all wikis but sometimes wikis in non-game theme need to clean them up. on the other hand, things like module:arguments should benefit all wikis [16:30:57] They always work for me eventually it’s just this one seems to be a bugger [16:31:08] I am used to stripping down and modfiying stuff [16:31:18] it would be helpful if new wikis can opt to import a set of templates they may need [16:31:20] I added a mod into the tree grapth to give it a header [16:31:41] learning how to make templates is really fun and rewarding imo, I'd give it a go [16:32:17] I will eventually cause one info box I need just plain doesn’t exist [16:32:37] I'd start early [16:32:43] make them for simple things [16:33:05] you'll get the hang of it and then by the time you want the infobox you'll be equipped to make it [16:33:16] [1/2] mm yes lua before wikitext [16:33:16] [2/2] btw are you the telepedia person? [16:33:20] dev has a significant set of them although the presentation remains meh [16:33:49] indeed making it more mature should be prioritized since it would save a lot of wikipedia-pasted headaches [16:34:00] So does anyone have a fix for this issue? Other than learn lua [16:34:05] lua has a very friendly syntax tbf, but yeah learn regular templates before modules lol [16:34:18] all I got, you lost me at the wikipedia part [16:34:34] rare specialists pop their head up once in a while [16:34:35] what's the template meant to do [16:35:08] might have some luck reporting to a less instantly buriable medium like a support thread or help desk unless wwr straightens you out on the spot [16:36:34] well like if you just want a message saying "this category is for people who were born in the year 1943" just write the message lol [16:36:42] [1/2] It’s meant to make this except in universe characters obvs [16:36:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545110298057384016/IMG_3442.png?ex=6a9af399&is=6a99a219&hm=580e1c176f254149a4c126b55f7580c113aa338bef7282643561f125bc143ce0& [16:37:00] shouldn't it be `|1943` not `|194|3` ? [16:37:16] i doubt that's the issue but still [16:37:22] Can't you just use a category then? What do you need a template for? [16:37:49] Unless you mean the see also bit? [16:37:53] Tried that, it didn’t like it [16:38:09] assuming its for expanding the utility of the category, since they are a bit basic [16:38:26] Templates for all the navigation stuff [16:39:11] so why not make the category just link to the other years? [16:40:10] Because I want all the years, decades, alphabetic ordering [16:40:29] its alphabetical by default no? [16:40:29] But you can just write that, then. [16:40:55] Alphabetical is how categories work, and then you can just write the links at the top. [16:41:18] It won’t have the formatting above will it? [16:41:31] Depends if you write it formatted like that. [16:41:55] Templates don't have special formatting either unless you set them up to have it. [16:42:16] [1/2] ah criminale😔 [16:42:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545111699210764358/IMG_3247.png?ex=6a9af4e7&is=6a99a367&hm=ec6931c06f7a0dde60d9446173597d917a4cf6f783de81f3960a736cb4bbdf42& [16:42:39] [1/2] for anyone else wondering, this strategy doesn't work; [16:42:39] [2/2] I added it to GSC over a week ago and Google refuses to index anything despite properly discovering the pages via the sitemap [16:42:56] I'm sure Lua is optional. [16:43:08] [1/3] you could make a module that takes in an argument of the year, and outputs [16:43:09] [2/3] `[[year - 2]] [[year -1 ]] [[year]] [[year + 1]] [[year + 2]]` [16:43:09] [3/3] or etc, wouldnt be more than a few lines of code [16:43:15] huh? 😭 [16:43:37] wait a second does miraheze support string parser functions?? [16:43:44] yes [16:43:48] explode, replace, etc? [16:43:53] yes [16:43:57] i think [16:44:01] wgpfenablestringfunctions or smth [16:44:13] but tbh just use [[w:module:string]] [16:44:13]

[16:44:16] i hate the name explode [16:44:49] yeah I use the module too bc the regular parser functs don't work on my wiki for some reason [16:47:27] tbf, is there many situations where you need to use it instead of just using a module? [16:47:45] the times i've seen it used seem like theyd be way simpler as a module [16:50:05] they are simpler yes, but importing other templates that use the strings and converting them to use the module instead is kinda the harder part [16:51:51] https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-explosion-ellie-cat-explosion [16:52:03] i see i see [16:53:21] Think I’m just going to leave any navigation hopes for now as everything just seems to be gibberish 😭 [16:53:35] [1/3] someone sent me this before, this is what i mean when i say it could be simplified 😭 [16:53:36] [2/3] or even just use indentations 😭 [16:53:36] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545114548426506290/image.png?ex=6a9af78f&is=6a99a60f&hm=40a9714b0e88429d03c36f969d44a0697b4b7ba446cc2ec050ae3e9b091708f3& [16:53:56] oh my [16:54:16] gyattdamn [18:42:37] If I import an info box from fandom will it have the same appearance as a Wikipedia info box? [18:43:14] [1/2] # IT'S RELEASED [18:43:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545142142987411527/image.png?ex=6a9b1142&is=6a99bfc2&hm=1fc7e3ba948ba80218900df6fec898dfd1854329c38dea3d38274f6e92f2c435& [19:29:55] [1/2] No. A fandom infobox will have the same appearance as a fandom infobox because that's what it is. [19:29:55] [2/2] If you want one that looks like a Wikipedia infobox you'll want to find a Wikipedia-styled infobox on Dev wiki and import that (plus dependencies). [19:33:20] Please don't directly import Wikipedia infoboxes, there are cautionary tales about the amount of dependencies. [19:34:44] Can I get a dev wiki link [19:35:06] You can style a portable infobox to look like a Wikipedia one pretty easy [19:35:22] Don’t know why you would want to; they’re ugly as hell, but you can [20:12:09] I assumed they meant out of the box. [20:12:18] But ye, that works too. [20:22:40] Ahh that makes sense [20:40:03] [[mh:dev:]] [20:40:03]

[20:51:07] I like the universal aesthetic of Wikipedia and want it replicated in my wiki [20:51:58] Turning my wiki into a 1-1 replica of fandom just to earn my place in hell 🤤 [21:58:42] genuine question, why do people mistake this server for other game servers so often? is this discord server linked on every wiki on miraheze? [22:02:21] I assume they see the Miraheze in the wiki url and assume Miraheze is a website affiliated with the game [22:03:50] And I think there’s been a few incidents where wikis linking here for general Miraheze support and people misreading that as thinking it’s for game support? [22:06:50] [1/2] it could be worse [22:06:50] [2/2] wikipedia for some reason refuses to link the wikipedia discord. and so it ends up that if you search up "wikipedia discord" the first result (that's actually on discord) is wiki.gg [22:10:43] aah i can see that [22:11:17] werk [22:44:16] [1/3] Two other things that happen: [22:44:16] [2/3] * We are linked on the default mainpage before it has been edited, some folks fail to remove it [22:44:16] [3/3] * The discord is linked on outage notices when a site can't be served [22:47:14] [1/2] :stare: [22:47:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545203545421381772/image.png?ex=6a9b4a71&is=6a99f8f1&hm=fb905e7118520ca5e42decff6d85968d6d4686820525fdc9bafbf15cd21d6082& [22:47:36] [1/2] Just wondering [22:47:36] [2/2] Could I use this in my own wiki and license it under Creative Commons? [22:47:46] Specifically for CC BY-SA 4.0 [22:50:26] Getting a 502 Bad Gateway Error :bombasticsideeye: [22:51:59] Yep, same here [22:52:06] ohh me too [22:55:26] I got a 502 but now it works again... [23:20:36]