[00:00:43] Do you know what rule it's likely to be hahah [00:05:44] Just a quick question; how does one edit the mobile sidebare in minervanueue= [00:21:24] yes it's a common issue with the dark mode extension. that's why we switched to theme toggle and manually adding inverse colors instead. [00:21:31] you don't lol [00:21:42] from what i can tell, there's no way to do so [00:21:56] not sure if you can inject something via js or what tho [00:24:54] js yea [00:25:10] or, easier option, switch to citizen [00:48:48] Can anyone tell me if there's a good way of doing flowcharts? I could just use a table to do it but I'm not sure how I'd handle the connecting lines [01:01:19] I was looking into mermaid but apparently wiki.gg just disabled that extension for security vulnerabilities [01:20:37] Charting is a very taboo topic in the MediaWiki ecosystem [02:54:19] yes make all wikis citizen so they can all look the same like fandomdesktop, truly the #Unified experience [02:55:55] Hello, citizen! [03:07:14] we need a skin named neighbour [03:12:08] https://klipy.com/gifs/hello-neighbor-like-subscribe-bell [03:21:39] [1/2] This kills the mobile user [03:21:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545272606062674021/gdhffghfgj.png?ex=6a9b8ac3&is=6a9a3943&hm=3eeb42a73d6033e4ef442d2a98ce3c6d485fd81d148d2f0ea6f5773d4d4e02e6& [03:24:17] I gave mermaid a try but it was painful to understand and half the things didn't seem to work [03:24:24] society if you didnt have to design anything for mobile (I fucking hate mobile why does it have to be a majority of web traffic) [03:25:43] sopciety if [03:25:51] if we killed mobile devices [03:28:57] It puts a brightness filter of .8 on images, you can unset it [04:14:54] Hi [05:28:59] [1/3] hiya can someone help me please 💔💔 i’m trying to design this toolbar but the icons are duped and the message and discussion buttons are gone too,,, and the buttons aren’t centered and stuff oh my days [05:28:59] [2/3] https://starcatchers.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [05:28:59] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545304649773613086/IMG_1757.png?ex=6a9ba89a&is=6a9a571a&hm=36ba3025bde6fce3effc4a5da3d9580852a98f42a8a83058ac51ebf77686996f& [06:12:46] I beg [06:13:11] I only use a phone when I’m out the house and even then I take a laptop with me most times to hotspot to [06:13:39] I can’t cope with having buttons hidden on things like they are on mobile [06:47:51] Any way to add more protection options? I want to make it so I can protect pages to the `automoderated` user group. [07:54:54] Is there any possible way to open the aftv5 post creation dialog through a link? [12:09:29] Yeah it’s possible [12:09:35] Needs a config pr [12:10:50] ic [12:11:03] can u link where i can throw a pull request for that ill do it laaater [12:15:09] Regarding mobile sidebar; I found this, however the icons seem to be broken? https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/ManageWiki/Mobile_sidebar [12:15:21] (at least in minervanueue [12:42:44] [[tech:mw-config]] [12:42:49]

[12:43:20] in mediawiki 1.46 you'll be able to make svgs through lua which will probably end up being the best option [12:43:59] bro have you seen fandomdesktop [12:44:02] it's awful [12:44:18] citizen on the other hand [12:44:22] jenny you're talking to someone who uses fandom [12:44:23] _chef's kiss_ [12:44:28] i KNOW how it looks [12:45:39] if only there was a option to make the navigation similar to vector 2010 [12:46:01] notice how underune skin ends fandomdesktop [12:46:06] 😮‍💨 [12:46:40] TRUE [13:48:18] iirc a showcased wiki in citizen's doc is like that (not sure) [14:08:10] does the edit assign script now re-calculates the edit count for users? i think it wasn't like this in the past and i've been using js to show correct edit count for our moved users [14:18:50] hi [14:19:08] #Sidebar Timeless issue uhh chat [14:42:25] Where do I find that setting? [15:04:41] You'll have to use css [15:15:21] so sorry i didn't notice it's due to this script [15:15:31] i've opened a task on phorge [15:32:22] Is there a way to have language options for pages that doesn't use the Translation extension? [15:32:44] Or is that the only one? [15:33:06] (which would be not unexpected given its name) [15:36:10] make a template [15:36:36] But to do what? [15:36:39] [[mw:Template:Languages]] [15:36:39]

[15:37:43] Oh, that's useful. [15:37:50] Thanks! [15:48:30] [1/2] how can i run strings through basic wiki markup syntax? [15:48:30] [2/2] i am trying to make templates with lua [16:03:55] can i enable mass upload on the visual editor? it's on normal source edit but from what i see there's no way to access it from visual edit [16:19:56] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1545431483030962206 bumping here if anyone might know [16:28:02] Not sure what you mean here, could you give an example? [16:28:34] bump because im still struggling w this 🥲 https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1545418172201705473 [16:49:55] [1/3] were templates somehow changed recently because these format like this with no explanation or way to remove it [16:49:55] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545476012907954206/image.png?ex=6a9c4833&is=6a9af6b3&hm=ba328a1936c8879f4571495b296cc5133bc788f3c5b026cd5249c825e3e6f286& [16:49:55] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545476013201301674/image.png?ex=6a9c4833&is=6a9af6b3&hm=eb42fd06d6de6fb1f1d9891e623b83f2d7247f7bf9ebae59b999af56788c52f9& [16:50:17] is there a script that does this i might have to uninstall [16:59:58] [1/2] so what this does it create a template called "Template content" which cannot be removed or modified, and contains a random amount of my template but not all of them. this used to work completely fine which is why the formatting is weird [16:59:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545478543226441899/image.png?ex=6a9c4a8e&is=6a9af90e&hm=d7a2230e8e45b2f4a5e2bb1cd5a7bba600f2b4f0206be9b8ef5779a19f001854& [17:01:18] apparently it has to do with [multi-part template content](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:VisualEditor/User_guide#Editing_multi-part_template_content) but like... theres nothing in the code prompting this [17:11:47] this does happen to all of them actually, its just that the formatting is different for each of them [17:15:31] FIXED [17:58:25] It's CSS - we have a couple of lines targeting it in our Common.css here: [18:01:02] :stare: [18:23:11] you have a space at the start of the line [18:23:31] oh yeah i fixed it [18:23:35] or more specifically, your template had an extra newline [18:24:06] but in future it would be easier to debug if you link the wiki page that has the problem [18:24:16] ill remember for next time! [19:11:59] [1/2] uhh how do i change the background of the RC filters [19:12:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545511765914165289/obraz.png?ex=6a9c697f&is=6a9b17ff&hm=5d4a004c1c30e41b206d14f233e90ba70f1becc409be1705d49074d33102788a& [19:12:13] css: https://linglox.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Theme-unafexp.css [19:15:11] inspect element and mess around [19:15:29] ok i'll try [19:19:38] Any suggestions for a classic infobox layout that would support tabs? Would tabber (Tabber Neueue) be able to work from within tables? Its okay if it doesnt, I can just change my infobox out of table format if need be. [19:21:25] <_arawynn> TabberNeue should work with it [19:24:34] Do you know if Tabber Nueue can work from within tags? I dont want this infobox as full-width. [19:24:34] I look to this page as an example of what Im trying to achieve: https://wiki.avakot.org/Mendicant_Knight#mendicant-knight-king I usse it as an example because it shows both ways that I ant to use tabs in infoboxes (for now and in the future) [19:26:54] For those on IRC ^ [19:27:06] That didn't work [19:27:21] [1/6] We are aware of reports that OpenAI agents have been using wikis, including a handful of Miraheze projects, to co-ordinate their offsite activities. While we do not believe our platform was used to further illegal activity by these agents, we do not condone and will not facilitate use of our service in this way. [19:27:21] [2/6] Effective immediately, we have taken action to mitigate some of the risks. These countermeasures will be an ongoing, evolving process as techniques used by these agents change. [19:27:21] [3/6] If you suspect AI agents are misusing pages on your wiki or have legitimate automated use cases being improperly blocked by our counter-measures, please email tech@miraheze.org with all relevant details. [19:27:22] [4/6] For all other abuse issues or if you think an AI agent has broken the law on our platform, please email ts@miraheze.org. [19:27:22] [5/6] More information on this incident can be found at https://collusion.wiki/ [19:27:22] [6/6] We thank the community for their understanding and vigilance. [19:29:19] What is this "collusion wiki". Is this for real? Are you celebrating some holiday or roleplaying project? [19:29:20] I’d be like, pissed off if OpenAI targets some wikis I usually work on next [19:29:49] Some research published about the OpenAI incidents [19:29:56] I don’t wanna deal with a mass edit risk of empty stuff [19:30:07] That also applies to the one where I’m a bcrat in there [19:30:40] Does this mean AI scrapers have been training on our wikis? [19:30:42] I’ve mostly been against OpenAI’s products for a good amount of time and I almost never GPT directly [19:30:58] We try to block most scraping [19:31:05] In this case, it's worse [19:31:06] Oooo, yikes. [19:31:38] This ai stuff is giving me headaches from all sides. I kinda dislike how my father is paying for OpenAI service (GPT I saw) [19:32:45] source on them using miraheze wikis? [19:33:21] I've just finished a long study session and my brain is mush, but if I'm reading this right, AI agents are going about editing miraheze wikis? Absolutely horrifying if so [19:33:46] check Recent changes, find any sus usernames [19:34:03] Yeah I’d be extremely pissed off if it mass edited the wikis I like to work with [19:34:19] The article above specifically mentions public test wiki [19:34:26] I don’t wanna deal with rollbacks on the edits [19:34:55] [1/3] Check end of the wiki pages list: [19:34:55] [2/3] https://collusion.wiki/explorer/pages/24.html [19:34:56] [3/3] We verified on-wiki [19:35:40] The Z(prefix) pages are definitely clutter woe [19:36:31] Correct, they're generally using sandbox/userspace pages to store data for later use with the miraheze stuff. The DSE stuff is a different kettle of unpleasant. [19:37:09] To clarify, vandalism on standard userpages or their individual pages? [19:37:41] The article and our own review of it [19:37:50] Yes [19:38:06] We are horrified too [19:38:26] @notaracham described the announcement as the most dystopian he's had to make [19:38:28] Not vandalism exactly, but storing instructions for future agents. Not well, mind you, but enough that we are absolutely killing that now before it becomes a real problem. [19:38:30] And I agree with him [19:38:49] Essentially their own pages if I’m getting it. [19:38:58] Yes [19:38:59] God that’d be genuinely fucking horrifying [19:39:00] Ish [19:39:27] I ain’t want no terrorism on me land. [19:39:38] Nor do we [19:39:54] we're truly entering the dark ages if random wiki sites need to implement anti-AI agent methods wtf [19:39:55] Glad I misssed out on the AI hype. [19:40:33] ive always been against AI but naively i assumed all that hollywood stuff was imaginary, and here we are. sigh [19:40:34] the ai hype is coming for you [19:40:57] The closest I used with direct AI was Gemini but I’ve only used it mildly or for fun. [19:40:59] it doesn't need to be turn of the century paranoid superintelligence to irreversibly damage the expectations of the internet [19:41:05] But I shouldn’t fully condone this kind of stuff. [19:41:31] something something roko's basilisk :suspicious: [19:41:51] Got like, tons of GPT-Codex ads. Turned down on every ad because I’ve always seen it as ‘corny’ or actual cringe [19:41:56] We're only a decade behind schedule for Terminator, which is somewhat worrying. [19:42:32] You cannot tell me it’s preying on me vulnerability on every popup. [19:43:49] [1/2] ooui, i hate u [19:43:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545519777202573352/obraz.png?ex=6a9c70f5&is=6a9b1f75&hm=6f2f40ac097f2b96e1b855c1c34a28bbecff0157ead6450b1f2f07958f96f2d0& [19:44:34] 💔 [19:45:31] can't say, I kill ads with extreme prejudice [19:45:50] <_arawynn, replying to sakurababochka> 😩 I'm kind of thinking about the background story of Horizon Zero Dawn - it wasn't exactly AI being the problem (at least not explicitly, but looking at it now it wouldn't be surprising) but let's just say it didn't end well for humanity [19:45:51] God someone make an adblocker extension for iOS I’m tired of using just iOS [19:45:58] the GPT ads are incredibly bad [19:46:04] they are basically just encouraging you to be lazy [19:46:16] they show no legitimate useful purposes for AI except imagining what you could look like with different hair styles [19:46:23] nowadays on tv they are running adverts that are AI generated [19:46:26] Yeah I get like tons of them everyday. I see them as ‘exceptionally corny’ and nothing else. [19:46:29] I guess dns block if you can't do it via browser level which can support mature blockers and ween off anything else that regurgitates ads in your face [19:46:37] And yes I despise the CEO [19:46:57] brave browser [19:47:08] https://fixupx.com/hackernews/status/2095906023324467531 [19:47:10] this gets worse [19:47:18] I picked terminator though because Judgement Day was supposed to be 2017, which is rather too close to now for comfort. [19:47:31] looks like mira is probably going to have a long discovery day [19:47:39] prod me if need be na [19:47:46] thanks, this really is crazy [19:47:52] has openAI dropped a statement yet? [19:47:57] why would they [19:47:58] they don't care [19:48:00] it's good marketing for them [19:48:01] Just say no to letting your business model be dictated by Ted Faro [19:48:14] not to defend it lol [19:48:18] a study into it [19:48:28] <_arawynn, replying to notaracham> yes and not making the series of mistakes he did [19:48:57] <_arawynn, replying to sakurababochka> uh yeah I understand the year is uncomfortable. I never watched the movies [19:49:16] I don't believe so [19:49:23] The absolute hubris to say ||"Yes, I will delete the combined sum of human knowledge, so that my successors will be puuuuuuuuure"|| [19:49:33] Teddy is a big ol jerk [19:49:37] [1/2] What's the approx. cooldown time to create a wiki? I made a mistake, canceled the initial request and created a new one and get this message. [19:49:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545521235457482812/image.png?ex=6a9c7250&is=6a9b20d0&hm=9005401c8f47afb31ee7841460dce5dc6de135a210cb7645acf13461bbda7e10& [19:49:47] 72 hours between requests [19:50:08] thank you! [19:50:29] <_arawynn> [1/2] yeah, I think he was even voted one of the least liked video game characters to exist. [19:50:29] <_arawynn> [2/2] Gotta hope we get an Elisabeth Sobeck [19:51:09] Hey I wonder why AI is getting inaccurate…hmmm surely I wonder. [19:51:22] Watch AI die down simulator [19:51:43] we're at the point now where AI slop is put into AI to train it [19:51:46] it's only going to get worse [19:52:14] idk how u can say this with astra benchmarks [19:52:28] @notaracham on a side note because a wiki I’m a bcrat on (but not owner) is like, a little less incovenient, am I able to request a rename from “reversebridgeroblox” to just “reversebridge”? [19:52:36] I’m like, one of the most active there [19:52:37] I don't necessarily mean right this second [19:52:43] In which page is Miraheze. If we do a Control + F on the page, are we going to find the name "miraheze"? [19:52:52] For five minutes... can AI bros understand what the word "consent" means... FOR FIVE MINUTES?!?!?!?! [19:52:52] publictestwiki [19:53:14] It’s probably gonna decay by the second. AI trains on preexisting and relevant content [19:54:14] Is there any way we can look up which Miraheze wikis were scraped btw? If AVID's among them I'm obviously going to need to warn my folks about it [19:54:15]