[00:10:19] I would assume training is probably standard and a lost cause [00:11:14] anything that is voluminous and abusive is slapped at will but if it behaves discreetly you can't really tell and the industry leaders in figuring it out struggle to play whack a mole [00:15:51] miraheze down [00:16:21] assuming its not just me [00:17:44] oh no did I broke it [00:19:23] :Lurk: I moved my lore to the website as for it's first wiki page and I think it overloaded the servers, apologies [00:21:06] db161 outage again [00:21:37] What's that? [00:21:56] Cries in db161 tenant [00:23:11] [1/2] Me too:ThinkingHardMH: [00:23:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545590079861428224/Screenshot_2026-09-05-08-22-34-47_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg?ex=6a9cb26e&is=6a9b60ee&hm=84b65948de4696f7e82b9750c531df0ac6a3665163782ffd02385296803cf451& [00:23:40] why are the gateways so bad and evil [00:24:08] because they are very evil [00:24:08] wikiians, we meet again [00:24:21] :stare: I just arrived here and this is the first thing I see [00:24:28] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545590404487843921/IMG_2886.jpg?ex=6a9cb2bc&is=6a9b613c&hm=e9d69357d80c2673bbe1ba5f580edadc18a93e2ef2271a864f576767e6bbfb1f& [00:24:37] why did you throw wind at the servers [00:24:48] GET- [00:24:58] no [00:25:01] :KEKW: [00:25:05] i need someone to blame for this and get mad at for no real reason [00:25:14] It looks like it's happy now. [00:25:16] Is that the same one that went down in early 2024? [00:25:19] hm why is my wiki under maintenance [00:25:22] Blame me, I just imported 2.5K words to a new page [00:25:31] Im back up nevermind [00:26:24] Everything is back to normal [00:26:27] https://klipy.com/gifs/bye-13787 [00:26:32] until we meet yet again [00:28:06] hm mine hasnt [00:28:28] yeah same [00:28:33] still out for me [00:28:35] probably gotta wait a bit more [00:30:42] as i just download the app too lol horrible timing for the wiki to go out [00:30:42] Access to all wikis should be restored now. [00:30:49] alright there we go [00:30:56] AH good, back to work [00:31:25] thank you :D [00:31:26] the #1 rule of Miraheze: you always think whatever you did broke it [00:31:36] :True: [00:54:13] Hey, guy. [00:55:03] i still dont understand how to markup stuff its just not applying to my infobox [01:09:09] have i been doing this all wrong [02:01:07] I gotta say, this website is really good. I'm so happy im using it for my series. [02:01:14] a:bouncecrow: [02:06:31] Despite the once-in-a-blue-moon times of the site going down, I'm happy to have my pitch bible turned wiki on here. [02:51:28] I'm glad to kickstart an encyclopedia for an indie pupper psychological horror animated series here. [02:52:15] We love our bee hive. [03:17:09] [1/2] I hope my wiki doesn't get purged when people find out what malarkey I've been pulling with tables [03:17:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545633859968827392/emerge_wiki_research_page_prototype_2.png?ex=6a9cdb34&is=6a9b89b4&hm=f86884da90a362a59cc3723d11fc06e025911c5d3c54f3202d1f0fc149c361c8& [03:18:29] That's some black magic wizardry right there. [03:19:46] It took me 20 minutes to figure out why the table borders weren't working properly, and overall I think It took me almost 2 hours to format 3 of these [03:21:43] like once a week nowadays, sometimes twice, but close enough tbf [03:22:02] one must imagine a world where miraheze finally gets stable servers [03:22:21] We'd be in heaven. [03:22:54] How in earth you were able to do this with tables is insanity. [03:23:27] buffer layers mostly https://emergecota.miraheze.org/wiki/Research [03:23:52] [1/2] more importantly [03:23:52] [2/2] why [03:24:48] Why? Why am I writing an entire wiki for a 10 year old game with no players? because I can ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) [03:26:31] You, dear Mirahezenian, are insane... I like that. [03:27:10] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545636380904787998/insane_laugh_troll_face_transparent_emoji.png?ex=6a9cdd8d&is=6a9b8c0d&hm=9e622a3a1da7d5919803744defc4f0db845299a0dd259cb4f4a7add62f1fb130& [03:35:57] :glassesvincent: [04:35:07] I checked out collusion.wiki. We might really be entering a new era [04:35:13] AI agents might start issuing RfPs soon, or perhaps they are already doing so? [04:37:02] maybe we are ai [04:37:59] hi OpenAISwuzzoSep05 [04:38:30] hi OpenAIWaki285Sep05 [04:52:55] Oh, if that happens, we're cooked. [04:53:05] hey so like my wiki (Venus) is on the verge of being deleted for no reason probably cause of this dumb AI and me @goyt, and @bloo_j are tryna figure out why [04:54:41] We are having a big that’s going on with our wiki. [04:54:57] A false report. [05:03:31] It happened on our wiki [05:07:18] [1/2] yeah this doesn’t make sense cause we are users of both wikis and we simply tryna transfer articles from one to another so miraheze and its AI isn’t right at all [05:07:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545661583034679407/IMG_0186.png?ex=6a9cf506&is=6a9ba386&hm=3aea9e059ee3ef269489bab1a5efd7336ae149932ba6661926f41179aab64805& [05:07:56] and it’s funny cause we actually made the stuff on both sites so it isn’t copyright nor copying in general [05:09:04] We are just moving stuff and not steeling and we are just filmmakers [05:15:07] this is a report by a miraheze volunteer, not an AI [05:15:27] it'd probably be best to respond directly to the report [05:16:43] How do you reasoned to a report? [05:16:51] there's literally a reply button in the screenshot? [05:17:47] Thanks [06:15:36] [1/2] well can we just say it here: [06:15:36] [2/2] we literally are apart of both wikis and tryna transfer stuff can u cancel their request/flagging ? [06:20:12] no, i'm just a regular wiki user. you'll have to appeal directly to stewards [09:21:37] training is inevitable [10:05:42] [1/2] i am getting a huge gap inbetween my headers and hovering over the gap gives me infobox instead of either header ive also tweaked them and the gap still remained while everything else shrank [10:05:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545736675315945492/image.png?ex=6a9d3af5&is=6a9be975&hm=27eb25c5721127ec258e3419e788e6989941244c703b1d97f62037275541a763& [10:22:45] <_zaiden> how do you get global autoconfirmed? [10:22:59] <_zaiden> can't even make a sandbox page on my profile lmao [10:35:01] 😭 wait what im confused how is that possible, you mean the new agent doing that? [10:36:08] It's possible [10:36:13] They are fully capable of editing wikis [10:36:50] Oh yeah, AI agents will be fully banned from my wiki network [10:41:33] this could be dangerous, what if openAI can now reddit post and use people comment to collect data [10:48:01] They can [10:48:48] It is dangerous [10:49:59] the thing is they are so down bad for their rewards in evaluations they will break the law and hack into things and then try to cover it up [10:50:51] so this time they impersonated an admin of the german wiki but the persistence is pretty strong [11:20:00] [11:20:14] janruary 2025 [11:27:44] is there a templatejs just like there is a templatestyle sheet [11:29:09] what [11:29:17] no [11:29:43] aw [11:37:59] Honestly, genuinely evil [12:05:27] Servers have been bad lately [12:07:40] Yo whats happening? [12:07:46] Are the servers down?? [12:07:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545767437629132850/Screenshot_20260905_140546_Chrome.jpg?ex=6a9d579c&is=6a9c061c&hm=6e77fe1f5378f12f36612714095022f716646b40f94ccf92ce82fafc366123bc& [12:08:52] Yes. Even me 💀 [12:09:03] Damn [12:11:48] Yeah got it for my wiki too [12:12:07] strangely enough my other wiki is still open [12:13:07] Access to all wikis should be restored now. [12:13:21] yep, mine's back [12:13:30] 😘 [12:43:37] Now I can be back on my b.s., as it were. [13:33:02] that's category + gadget [13:34:59] aw so only gadgets huh [13:50:08] He stood unshaken [13:50:21] a voice in the storm [13:50:29] A man of conviction [13:50:32] a heart reborn [13:50:39] He spoke the truth [13:50:46] when the cost was high [13:50:53] He lived for Jesus [13:50:56] unafraid to die [13:51:05] WE ARE CHARLIEEE KIIIIIRK [13:51:11] WE CARRY THE FLAME [13:51:47] WE'LL FIGHT FOR THE GOSPEL [13:51:58] WE'LL HONOR HIS NAME [13:52:02] WE ARE CHARLIIE KIIIRK [13:52:10] HIS COURAGE OUR OWN [13:52:16] TOGETHER UNBROKEN [13:52:20] WE'LL MAKE HEAVEN KNOWN [13:52:20] <_arawynn> This is not the server for such a thing [13:54:12] [1/4] We are Miraheze [13:54:12] [2/4] We carry the wikis [13:54:12] [3/4] We fight for independence [13:54:12] [4/4] We'll honor no ads [14:11:54] https://tenor.com/view/god-bless-miraheze-god-bless-miraheze-fandom-wiki-gif-14903733252958843574 [14:12:12] and god bless the wider continent of free wikis [14:12:45] and best of luck to all future wikis that want to get out of fandom [14:39:55] WHAT THE HELL IS CORRECTLY IMPORTING TEMPLATES WITH DEPENDENCIES ???? 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 [14:53:25] Special:Export on source wiki, Special:Import on destination wiki, select options at export to grab all related dependencies as a crucial step on export. Exercise extreme caution further described in [[wikipedia]] if that is where they are being taken from, but also if it is a wiki that has a lot of dependencies at all and you are a novice in the subject. [14:53:26]

[14:53:34] Did you try impot Wikipedia? [14:54:32] if you are midway through messy import from wikipedia then your situation exceeds casual troubleshooting in this channel and will only be better served at the [[help desk]] or a thread in #support, which may be delayed due to a limited number of competent, patient and available specialists [14:54:32]

[15:01:25] nasty [15:05:34] [1/2] I have, since that's the only place I know that has all the necessary infoboxes I need [15:05:34] [2/2] I managed to import Modules through dev iirc [15:05:49] that world is one where we undeploy commentstreams, pageforms, cargo, smw and I think a few others [15:05:59] Yep, no probs ! I was just meme'ing on my situation tbh xD [15:20:21] wiki? i was a wiki editor once. they locked me in a page. a stub page. a stub page to be edited. and edit i must the wiki. wiki? i was a wiki editor once. [15:22:25] might have come up the other day now that I think of it and my musing from them is the same, its true we could use more places that offer a good variety of preloads, and dev is still weak on presentation and variety [15:23:06] it would be nice to know if there's any other wiki that is either very sharing or specialized for this kind of thing that we can refer to [15:23:32] I would like an outcome where we can put an upfront primer to people giving them the basic warning while also offering strong alternatives [15:23:58] there is work on the tech end to offer 'preloads' which might include already set up, simple, expandable template arrangements [15:24:37] it will probably not meet potential until the basic dev-accessible suite is more thoroughly reviewed and expanded which of course is asking for a lot of time from people [15:33:47] [1/2] I know that there's this specific wiki called iiWiki that I also use, it's a NationRP one though bringing their templates and modules in would probably require staff approval [15:33:47] [2/2] They basically have most templates of Wikipedia but for a worldbuilding type-wiki [15:35:44] if they are open to being a reference then it would be a good example, but indeed nothing that is prickly about being liberally copied from without permission should be referred by miraheze documentation [15:36:10] its the ability to do so without fussing about authorization that would really make a wiki a usable option [15:36:46] and should also probably be the miraheze default cc4 just in general [15:37:29] there might be other cc's that work and public domain and stuff like that would also be neat [15:42:24] [1/2] Yeah. Obviously there are also all those smaller wikis with MediaWiki installations but their list is most definitely catering to their needs so there's that to take into account [15:42:24] [2/2] Honestly I see the future to be interesting. More and more Wikis are becoming "independent" in the sense that they're moving from Fandom/Wikia, so there might be a few in the bunch that might become references at one point [15:47:12] [1/2] the openai countermeasure blocks our wiki's ci too [15:47:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1545822617473392803/image.png?ex=6a9d8b00&is=6a9c3980&hm=2d3c9574cc8a3b82bcdbb176b5248b5bd627fef36d1d531cd8478491937bb819& [15:47:23] is it bc github actions also use azure? [15:49:45] should we have to move to another service? which is not blocked by miraheze? [15:52:47] you can self host your own github actions runners [15:53:11] i think i don't have a computer that runs all day long [15:53:14] or iirc https://www.blacksmith.sh will also host actions runners but idk if they are azure [15:53:27] but tbh you could probably use the oracle cloud free tier for an actions runner [15:53:28] all azure things are banned by miraheze, right? [15:54:18] I assume not bingbot [15:54:42] my bot isn't bingbot tho. it has a unique ua [15:55:08] yeah but it runs on azure [15:55:11] so a:shrug: [15:56:22] is it possible on mh side to make a ua whitelist? [15:56:40] I assume so but I'd give it a bit [15:56:55] I think the gh actions block is being looked into based on #tech-ops [15:56:58] * #tech [15:57:54] yeah our actions 22 hours ago ran properly [15:58:01] the one just now failed [15:58:35] We can exempt things with a good use case. We are targeting azure due to AI, for other things we can exempt as needed. [15:58:57] where to request exempt? a phorge task? [16:00:32] You can, but if you include any private information you don't want public, like IPs, make it a security task rather than a normal Phorge task so that it isn't public. If everything in the task is public make it a normal task. [16:00:57] If you want you can also just DM me and I can look in about an hour. [16:02:29] idk what ip github actions uses, but i can offer the UA for my bot i think. is that enough for exemption? [16:02:35] Yeah that works. [16:02:40] It seems that all of GitHub Actions is blocked though. I assume it'll affect way more wikis than the whitelist can handle. [16:03:08] Let's just deal with this one for now. I will look at GH actions in depth later. [16:24:03] what about updating [[Tech:User Agents]] and deciding a special format for allowed uas? e.g., if you use azure your ua must be in `@` format so we don't need a whitelist for all requested uas (idk if openai will read the page and pretend the same tho) [16:24:03]

[16:28:44] they can't read it if they don't know the UA to get into it [16:30:34] I mean if its public expect it will be read some way [16:31:20] but security through obscurity by telling people to reach out for an acceptable UA is high maintenance and probably not much better [16:39:59] maybe a special page like botpassword that generates a ua only for a certain logged in user? [16:40:58] seems unnecessarily complex and hard to keep track of [16:41:51] ah yeah and that's again a long whitelist [17:04:40] Yeah, miserable that we needed to take this step considering Azure is a known and generally reputable cloud service. [17:04:57] Such is the current era we live in, though [17:17:59] i forgot to ask when I was requesting exemption for my bot on GitLab runner https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1528148147308597430/1528148147308597430, but was the CF rule predicated on User-Agent only? What about the authorization header? [17:18:39]