[01:17:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> Uhhh
[01:17:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> ;-;
[01:17:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith, replying to lynn.in> I believe that such is for the title
[01:32:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.hodari> Good morning, I got a question for the creator of “The Paleontology Documentary Wiki” regarding the use of some of my content for this site https://paleodocs.miraheze.org/wiki/Walking_with_Dinosaurs#:~:text=Discovery%20Channel%20(Canada)%3A%2016%20April%202000%20(as,2003.%20UKTV%20Documentary%20(UK)%3A%2028%20November%202004.
[01:32:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.hodari> I hope I’m not being a nuisance
[01:56:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> This is the server for the wikihost Miraheze. It'd probably be best for you to try reaching out directly to the local administrators of that wiki if you have specific questions about it
[01:59:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> https://paleodocs.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop
[02:12:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> is there any way to get a list of pages calling a template that doesn't exist?
[02:32:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> Special:WantedTemplates
[06:59:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to emiliers> Doesn't look like the admin is in this server, or at least they've not verified if they are.
[08:43:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade> :stare:
[10:39:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauceonice> any idea when MediaWiki 1.46 be fully available?
[11:33:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> what happened to the auto create page extension?
[11:37:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bozewolf.> [1/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1550108419749318786/image.jpg?ex=6aad2276&is=6aabd0f6&hm=8a0f207ad4d6a80f5b546fc4f300dab2ac48eb54ac3d12794203ce96a7133489&
[11:37:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bozewolf.> [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1550108420491845692/image.jpg?ex=6aad2277&is=6aabd0f7&hm=a4384961a253001e8a470b4ed1ac6fa23ecfc131633aec52aa553a026d936869&
[11:37:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bozewolf.> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1550108420995153970/image.jpg?ex=6aad2277&is=6aabd0f7&hm=5a583a2748cdfcd5cc390294b19b1bf514c0521ade4400ca76d42fbc28532e6a&
[11:37:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bozewolf.> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1550108421712511059/image.jpg?ex=6aad2277&is=6aabd0f7&hm=62521d37d1313fd0622e3173ab444a961a3c615912df5d127b97e95d6ba95534&
[11:41:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Oh dear
[11:41:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> @Discord Moderators hacked account/scambot/similar
[11:41:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> :stare:
[11:42:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to bozewolf.> welcome to the club
[11:42:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Thanks
[11:43:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> no, thank you ^^
[12:22:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to lole5309> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Noticeboard/Removing_extensions_for_the_MediaWiki_1.46_upgrade#Extension:AutoCreatePage
[12:24:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to honoka55> thank you, i was pretty reliant on that, ill try the .js implementation instead i guess
[12:30:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to lole5309> seems like that implementation relies on #ifexist which is capped at 250, seems like its over
[12:32:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> is there a way to modify the cargo results to not look ugly and go ovre the page width?
[12:46:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki, replying to lole5309> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#mw.title.newBatch> allows you to query more pages
[12:47:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to jenny_on_wiki> great! but that makes we wonder why ifexist is limited that harshly in the first place
[12:47:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> bc it's expensive
[12:47:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> just checking if a page is there or not surely should be cheap
[12:47:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki, replying to lole5309> ifexist requires a db call. newbatch just does those in batches
[12:47:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> chache it until the next page is created and ur good
[12:48:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki> there's not that much difference between querying one page and querying 25
[12:48:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> amazing
[12:48:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki> as long as you're doing them all at once
[12:48:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki> but if you're doing them in separate requests, that adds up
[12:52:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to jenny_on_wiki> i have a list of all the major articles and when i add a new Template:article it used to create the basic, empty page for me
[12:52:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> issue is theres like 400 of those now and growing weekly
[12:54:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> so there probably will still end up being 400 batch calls
[12:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki, replying to lole5309> [1/2] maybe you could do some cursed caching mechanism with bucket lol
[12:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki, replying to lole5309> [2/2] alternatively, why does an empty page need to be created?
[12:54:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> ill pm
[14:27:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> I think i found a way with the js one
[14:28:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> But iwould like to use pageforms to autofill a page at creation, are there any examples i can look at the last time ive tried to implement this it didnt work
[15:09:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to sauceonice> In about a week if [NextTide](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/NextTide) does not reveal major issues.
[16:17:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> can support enable the wgCargoPageDataColumns[] = 'categories'; in LocalSettings.php?
[16:20:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to lole5309> I would not rely on PageForms if you can find another solution, PageForms will not reliably remain available either due to performance issues with it, we intend to remove it eventually if we can help wikis get off it first. We do apologize for the inconvenience of some of these extensions being removed though.
[16:21:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to lole5309> What wiki?
[16:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Ping me if you reply as I am headed away for a bit
[16:27:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465, replying to lole5309> what I did on the wiki I manage was use page templates with a "Stub" template, might get unwieldy if you have a lot of info, but better than nothing
[16:29:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to nukesme> uhhhhhhh ^^^
[16:29:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> bump i guess
[16:33:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465, replying to nukesme> wdym by theme?
[16:33:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to person0192837465> themes with ThemeToggle extension
[16:38:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465> from the docs, it looks like there isn't any built in way to restrict which skins a theme can apply to, though you could probably do some evil interface JS hacks to forcibly change the theme if the wrong skin is used
[16:41:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465> you could maybe also go the route of making a skin the only one enabled on the wiki, but that is also an evil hack
[16:42:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to person0192837465> i think hiding the theme toggle on other themes will be better
[16:48:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers, replying to lole5309> Our interface admin ported PreloadTemplates from Fandom when we migrated. Is something like that what you're looking for? <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/PreloadTemplates>
[16:54:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> is there any way to make images differently sized depending on what text size the user has their preference as?
[16:54:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> some of my stuff just starts not looking right on big text size
[16:58:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to cosmicalpha> i found a workaround with a selfmafe script but thatnk you for the offer
[16:58:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to cosmicalpha> sadge
[16:58:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> mediawiki seems really anto automation
[16:59:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> but yeah security is important
[17:00:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to lole5309> That's great, and once again apologies for the inconvenience with the removal of the AutoCreatePage extension as well.
[17:01:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to cosmicalpha> it was a precarious workaround, held together by pure luck and lots of brute forcing, reminds me of my df mod
[17:02:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> DF?
[17:02:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to cibryll> dwarf fortress
[17:02:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> lets you mod every aspect of creatures but anything else is pure pain
[17:03:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> [1/3] It was inevitable.
[17:03:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> [2/3] I remember my days playing that game, but. That's probably better suited for #offtopic than here, haha. 😅 
[17:03:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> [3/3] Wiki-related stuff, is there like a character limit or size limit for pages?
[17:04:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to cibryll> wikipedia has pages with like 400k characters, youll be fine
[17:06:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:LongPages
[17:06:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> [1/2] So basically, the only limits are what my computer can handle (editing pages of large sizes causing a slowdown).
[17:06:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> [2/2] That's good to know.
[17:07:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> [1/2] >List of The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet episodes
[17:07:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> [2/2] apparently this one is important for a lexicon
[17:07:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to lole5309> oh my god over half the contents of the Japanese conjugation (mizenkei base)  page is JUST the references 😭
[17:07:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> the problem is more when you're invoking a bunch of stuff like transplanting two dozen templates to glue a page together
[17:08:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> [1/3] I.
[17:08:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> [2/3] Don't really use templates at all, I think?
[17:08:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> [3/3] Only have like two or three, if I remember correctly.
[17:09:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to cibryll> the page will yell at you if you hit a limit (usually)
[17:09:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> more on the user side there's also the fact that media is much heavier than any text so a massive page of text, whatever, a page with a hundred images, hmmm
[17:09:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> hard to miss
[17:09:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> one wiki I'm familiar with had a problem with embedding like 50 youtube videos in a page sometimes and naturally that didn't run very well despite the page not being atypical in length or content otherwise
[17:10:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> [1/2] I don't use images at all (except maybe for that user profile avatar thing, which IIRC doesn't really mean much since the forum thing was disabled for reasons).
[17:10:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll> [2/2] But 50 YouTube videos on one page… I think that's overkill-- 😓
[17:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> but as far as what stresses the farm especially its more 'expensive' things like heavy template use and certain extensions do things that have a heavier 'weight', anything regularly tapping database stuff can be heavy
[17:11:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> so yeah it sounds like it would be hard for you to stress either the platform or end users much
[17:12:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> social profile in whichever invocation is negligible on that I believe, really the problem is that its a big gnarly extension with a shoddy state of maintenance
[17:22:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <antoniokf5> [1/2] Hey there! I did a recent wiki adoption and it has gone well so far, but the previous owner of the wiki has come back (now that it's active) and somehow he still has the bureaucrat role. This is an issue for me as it disrupts the current moderation model and management. I had the idea that adoption of an inactive wiki meant the previous owner would lose permissions, is this not ho
[17:22:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <antoniokf5> [2/2] w it works?
[17:22:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <antoniokf5> I can manage if not it just feels a bit disruptive
[17:30:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <just_some_dude.91712> Guys it’s my birthday!
[17:30:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <just_some_dude.91712> Yay
[18:04:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465, replying to davyvm2009> use CSS rules that set the width and/or height to a length with one of the font size units ("em", "en", "ex", etc). Mozilla Developer Network has a list of all the CSS length units
[18:05:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465, replying to nukesme> why do you want to do this anyway? Is there some aspect of the theme that is incompatible with other skins?
[18:06:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme, replying to person0192837465> like i want so timeless has it; i dont want to change any other skins
[18:06:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> i think by adding `:not(.skin-timeless)` to the customization might be key
[18:14:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to person0192837465> is there a guide or anything for this?
[18:15:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465, replying to davyvm2009> if you aren't familiar with using CSS, I think MDN has guides on using all the properties and selectors
[18:16:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465> there should also be docs/guides on miraheze for editing global CSS
[18:16:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465> alternatively you could use embedded html elements if you only want to do this on some pages
[18:25:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to person0192837465> hm alright
[18:32:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> just ended up sizing some stuff differently in general for the thing that wasn't working, CSS is still something i'm kinda scared to do-
[19:20:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <seachameleon> Hey, my users are asking for bancamp embeds. Apparently the embedvideo plugin is having issues displaying individual tracks so they'd like something a bit more dedicated. We've found someone with something similar on fanon but I thought it'd be better to ask here before trying to deconstruct and copy a differen't wiki's applet
[19:22:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <seachameleon> Also while I'm here, is there a way to manually set which image is used per-page by things like SEO?
[19:25:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <flyingcat0> Hi, I have some questions about importing a wiki. It's fairly large, so I understand the right way to import it would be to make a request at Special:RequestImport. That page says only XML files can be uploaded, so is it not possible to request importing an SQL dump?
[20:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> We do not support importing SQL dumps, no.
[20:50:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <flyingcat0, replying to originalauthority> Ok, thanks for clarifying.
[21:41:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marioalexsan> Hello, we noticed that the rollbacker group isn't present anymore on <https://casualtiesunknown.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights>, and users that previously had that group do not have it anymore, but we can't find any mention of this change in public logs, or elsewhere. Is there something we're missing?
[21:42:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> We are aware there will be an announcement on this shortly. Something went wrong with one of our scripts that caused all groups with just one right to be deleted. You can recreate it yourself though but we are looking into a way to reconstruct the deleted groups and memberships.
[21:44:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marioalexsan> Oh, oof
[21:44:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marioalexsan> Thanks for the info
[21:45:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to marioalexsan> No problem and we apologize for the inconvenience.
[22:25:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> The cosmic rays hit miraheze servers
[23:32:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tristanlagrate> this server has prolly one of the best pride logos i've seen tbh
[23:38:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> It’s very good
[23:39:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tristanlagrate> yea
[23:46:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sleepingelephant312> pride month is june and it’s september
[23:51:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> It's too good to restrict to just June