[00:24:57] <SP_Panzerfaust>	 Hello!
[00:26:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Hewwo
[00:27:12] <SP_Panzerfaust>	 hmm
[00:30:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> ?
[00:31:11] <SP_Panzerfaust>	 !
[00:36:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mnidjm> Is there a general size limit to how many bytes a page should stay under?
[01:33:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Not really.
[01:33:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Well, I guess 300,000 bytes+ tends to cause problems
[01:37:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> [1/5] actually i'd recommend
[01:37:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> [2/5] ```js
[01:37:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> [3/5] mw.loader.load('https://xyy.miraheze.org/w/load.php?modules=ext.gadget.Ruffle');
[01:37:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> [4/5] ```
[01:37:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> [5/5] if no downstream change is made. this doesn't need any attribution (bc it doesn't redistribute) and gets my follow-up updates automatically. however many just simply copy our codes without attribution (some even asked me for after-sales service bc they're not sure how to make their uncredited copied code work; that's why i added the huge notice)
[01:41:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> do i still have the thing
[01:41:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> nope
[01:41:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> oh wait my nick is outdated
[01:50:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <trashbg> [1/3] hi, im just here to ask
[01:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <trashbg> [2/3] I want a Wikipedia style lore-thing for me and my friends to work on our lore project together, but I dont want it to be flooded by randoms
[01:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <trashbg> [3/3] Can mirahaze wikis be group-locked or do they have to be public?
[01:57:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Miraheze wikis can be private and only viewable and editable by users you allow
[01:59:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <trashbg, replying to hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Oh thank the lord, thank you so much for your support!
[01:59:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Yw! Good luck on your project
[02:00:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <trashbg, replying to hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Hah, ill need it, its been 2 years and im not done with anything 💔
[02:17:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <trashbg> [1/2] Quick question,
[02:17:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <trashbg> [2/2] I did the request as a private wiki, so how do I make sure its private, and add friends.
[02:25:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mnidjm, replying to amelialoveheart> Ah, one of the pages on a wiki I'm working with is at about 532,000
[02:25:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13, replying to trashbg> you can manually give permissions to certain users like your friends
[02:26:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to mnidjm> Oh yeah then I’d move a bigger segment or two to another page. I don’t think splitting a page too much is the solution tho because then it can get hard to navigate
[02:26:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> @trashbg  see https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Private_wikis#How_to_add_users?
[02:26:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <trashbg, replying to crystalite13> Alright, thank you! Thats all for tonight. See you all tomorrow!
[02:26:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <trashbg, replying to crystalite13> Ooooohhhh, shiny...
[03:07:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gsweck> I had a question. We have a community wiki but due to someone raiding it. The owner of the page is unknown, but it's supposed to belong to a different user / account. Can I get help on figuring out who the page owner is or if we could get access to edit the page, as we are behind on information?
[03:08:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gsweck> @MirahezeRelay
[05:01:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to gsweck> What do you mean owner of the page exactly? Like the user who created a page or the person with admin on the wiki
[06:30:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <uranium_mandy, replying to gsweck> Nobody 'owns' a page - do you mean that the page is protected? You can go to Special:ListUsers on the Wiki to find out who the admins/bureaucrats are, and they can help with protected pages
[07:35:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to amelialoveheart> I have general size guides I try to abide by, eith 70-100kb to be split if possible, but this does usually depend on templates and other considerations.
[08:20:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to mnidjm> What sort of wiki is it?
[10:33:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth> [1/2] @posix_memalign I solved it!
[10:33:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth> [2/2] Thanks for your help!
[11:06:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal, replying to mnidjm> try to condense some of the formula code into temaplates
[11:07:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <namkwal> the hard limit is like 1M bytes but you should only seriously consider optimization at 300k because the page will become really awful and laggy to edit
[12:00:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to namkwal> We had a page where something went weird when we migrated to miraheze. at 85kb, it was problematic. Somehow, 75kb of whitespace was there, unnoticed.
[12:12:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <20bunnies> [1/2] what do i do against this
[12:12:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <20bunnies> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1552654035088314438/image.png?ex=6ab66540&is=6ab513c0&hm=1570b05c66b45a99bfa7d9bb95ca7585eae0a5f09bf94436156c58e958269320&
[12:20:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to 20bunnies> could you link the page? Something is causing it to not be picked up.
[12:29:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I just want to know HOW a wiki got a page so big?
[12:30:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to eytirth> Talking about our?
[12:34:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <20bunnies, replying to karpeth> https://dariacore.miraheze.org/wiki/Dariacore
[12:36:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade> Hello is everyone having a good day
[12:41:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to 20bunnies> [1/2] there's two errors; one is that Disambiguator is not activated. You need to activate it in managewiki for DISAMBIG to work.
[12:41:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to 20bunnies> [2/2] The other is because the translation is not selected,
[12:44:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth> You could safely remove that, or activate the extension for that as well.
[12:46:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth> https://dariacore.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/extensions
[13:13:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> translate is a big commitment, would consider that one carefully
[13:18:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki, replying to originalauthority> thankfully .promise() exists. or is it .$promise()?
[13:26:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to platyellow> My frame of experience was my pc barely loading a Star Wars wiki article for some guidebook that was over 400,000 bytes. I’ve never really struggled on anything less and my pcs are not very strong.
[13:31:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to jenny_on_wiki> thankfully I can just use vanilla JavaScript and avoid all these problems 😉
[13:33:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki, replying to originalauthority> you might like <https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-EventSchedule.js#L-50>
[13:35:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to jenny_on_wiki> https://klipy.com/gifs/the-office-stanley-P5I
[13:35:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> does MediaWiki JS support async now whaaaat
[13:36:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I been using it in extensions for ages but I thought that on wiki didn't support it for some reason
[13:48:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki, replying to originalauthority> it's recent, I think 1.45
[13:49:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki> and that was resourceloader, I think it always worked from `mw.loader.load`
[14:41:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil> C
[15:21:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <20bunnies, replying to karpeth> how does that work?
[15:22:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <20bunnies> like both of those
[15:22:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <20bunnies> sorry for the late reply!!
[15:34:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to 20bunnies> [1/2] I took the liberty to remove the parser phrase that would be unused. If you want to use the DISAMBIG keyword, just click the checkbox in the linked page called disambiguator.
[15:34:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to 20bunnies> [2/2] Otherwise, it's totally safe to remove, unless you want the extended functionality. Disambiguatior adds two specialpages and improve others.
[15:35:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to 20bunnies> [1/2] at https://dariacore.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/extensions
[15:35:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to 20bunnies> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1552705086956769300/image.png?ex=6ab694cc&is=6ab5434c&hm=5da72459e24ac13c4df907a53c4b0a4e585df1d54d5317f71f8d90ea71c0596a&
[15:42:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <20bunnies> thanks a ton!!
[15:43:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <20bunnies> the \DISAMBIG is still visible tho, any way around that?
[15:48:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ucronista_> hum, hiciste con las teclas Shift + botón de las rayas (-_)?
[15:48:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465, replying to originalauthority> is MediaWiki JS stuff that runs on the server? I'm trying to understand how JS wouldn't support async
[16:04:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to person0192837465> bc it's es2017 and mw is an ancient thing
[16:05:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> (btw i think the es2020 `?.` is not yet supported by mw)
[16:07:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> i used to have to write the callback hells so much that async/await is like a blessing. hope they'll also support es2020 soon
[16:11:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to person0192837465> MediaWiki uses an ancient JS minifier iirc which didnt/doesn't support a lot of stuff
[16:11:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465> JS minifier as in for the stuff served to browsers? I'm still trying to understand where this JS runs
[16:12:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> It runs in the browser
[16:15:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465> :irlskull:
[18:29:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [1/3] failed to quickly find an answer, so i'm asking here:
[18:29:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [2/3] is it possible to add text above an image on its Image page? like a spoiler warning?
[18:29:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <questioningespecialy> [3/3] (preferably without using a template that has dependencies)
[20:09:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to 20bunnies> [1/2] Yes. It's some server rendering cache thingy that someone else can explain.
[20:09:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to 20bunnies> [2/2] Just do a "null edit" (an edit without any changes at all) and it rebuilds the page, and now that's gone. If it's there on any other page, just edit and submit without doing anything to solve.
[20:10:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <20bunnies, replying to karpeth> thats weird!! but thanks :3
[20:11:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth, replying to 20bunnies> It's how things work. Might be something with the "miser mode" that's keeping things running as efficiently as possible.
[20:12:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <20bunnies> fixed it! tyysm
[23:36:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hb1290> Hi, I've been getting intermittent 502s on any Miraheze site I've been to and now AVID completly down and giving me the "under maintenance"screen
[23:37:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hb1290> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1552826333954842714/image.png?ex=6ab705b8&is=6ab5b438&hm=7b4a38a4d899b1fc73592b5d685261a65d4c179a9da015680009d48b6f8450bf&
[23:40:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to hb1290> Should be fixed now.
[23:40:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hb1290> Yep, looks good now