[00:05:17] are there any stub templates that are available [01:50:29] Is there a simple way to hide certain templates from showing up in TemplateData/TemplateWizard? There's some templates that we use only in other templates, so it'd be nice to hide them to prevent them from showing up in search and confusing newer editors. [02:32:22] [1/2] Added a line on our infobox templates about licensing! https://vocaloidlyrics.miraheze.org/wiki/OVERRIDE/Nanahoshi_Kangen_Gakudan Let me know if the wording seems all right, or if we should reword. There are some genuine CC licenses on our wiki as well (https://vocaloidlyrics.miraheze.org/wiki/Ein_Leben_ohne_Recht_auf_Opferung_-_genuino_Sermone_- for instance) [02:32:23] [2/2] so we'll be going over some of the songs over the next while to add more specific licensing too. [02:41:13] @zeusdeegoose howdy [02:41:38] Welcome back [02:44:45] Welcome! [04:35:53] Hi, everybody [04:43:08] https://klipy.com/gifs/jess300-princess-peach-1 [05:29:40] [1/2] to install this extension, you need to write a request to https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org / ? [05:29:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553639741302243448/Screenshot_20260927-102855.jpg?ex=6ab9fb43&is=6ab8a9c3&hm=87e148316a68a74ed0a62e67c98ff2cf5c5428c9947fa9ca69de0847cde659a5& [05:31:01] [[SR/RC]] [05:31:02]

[05:31:46] Both Phorge and SR/RC work. Though unless you have a very good reason to use Cargo we will tell you to use Bucket. [05:33:12] Thanks! [05:34:06] Can you give me a link where you can apply faster so that this particular extension can be enabled faster? That's exactly what I need. [05:34:49] No it will be enabled when it is enabled. There is no "do this for me now" answer here, there is a backlog and we get to it when we get to it. [05:37:05] No, I'm talking about where else to apply for inclusion except https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/ [05:37:46] The answer was already given. [[SR/RC]] [05:37:46]

[05:38:48] Thanks, I was just looking for a link, I'm sorry. [05:39:58] i think this is the link [05:40:11] Correct [05:41:16] Л [06:06:47] [1/2] :stare: pls accept [06:06:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553649082478895195/image.png?ex=6aba03f6&is=6ab8b276&hm=f41315081ebcbf34fe83f1e4b33e3f0b9c4eae20f6ff6abedba6f14245c9c088& [06:09:07] <18.748.837.46> [1/2] https://thecrisiswars.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:User_sandbox [06:09:07] <18.748.837.46> [2/2] rate our user header template 🥸 [07:16:50] The vulnerability's report has come out if you want to check it: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T434961 [08:50:57] [1/3] Is it possible for an admin to edit the skin stylesheets that come before Common.css or Skin-specific.css? [08:50:57] [2/3] I've noticed that the extension Echo uses codex css variables when the vector 2010 skin is being used, but not when the Timeless skin is being used. I think some other extensions also have a similar issue with the Timeless skin, but I imagine that putting all of the relevant style changes into Common.css or Timeless.css and then loading those styles (which may go unused) on every [08:50:58] [3/3] page (since it's Common.css or Timeless.css) might not be a good idea? [10:03:55] Vector exports codex tokens to CSS variables, other skins do not [10:04:39] But no, you can't edit those. Skin stylesheets and Common.css load after extensions and skins specifically for this reason. [10:58:27] [1/3] > Vector exports codex tokens to CSS variables, other skins do not [10:58:27] [2/3] > But no, you can't edit those. Skin stylesheets and Common.css load after extensions and skins specifically for this reason. [10:58:28] [3/3] in that case, sounds like if i were to want timeless to 'export codex tokens to css variables', someone would have to make that change in phabricator/gerrit and then eventually it'd probably make it downstream into miraheze? [11:04:03] Yeah. And there is already a patch. Just need a reviewer: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/skins/Timeless/+/1306093 [11:05:09] At least 3 more patches are needed to get dark mode so if someone wants to do that it'll be great [11:06:24] [1/3] oh yeah i remember seeing that [11:06:24] [2/3] i'll be looking forward to if it gets reviewed and implemented [11:06:25] [3/3] i admire the dedication [11:06:31] The solution would be for WMF to avoid using LESS altogether which would solve a plethora of issues [11:06:56] what's the issue with less? (no experience with it) [11:07:44] It is not exposed to MediaWiki frontend. Unless the variables are exported to CSS variables there's no way to get, or set, a LESS variable from on-wiki stylesheets. [11:20:58] Is there a reason as to why general text formatting is no longer functioning [11:21:18] I've tried to make something bold, but it simply does not display it as such. [11:22:40] Actually, scratch that, it's not just bold text it's a bunch of things. text formatting is out of whack. [12:56:46] Could you provide a link to the page or describe how you're making it bold? [14:09:22] Yeah sure, check this out: https://gsgw.miraheze.org/wiki/Fanlore:Record_Of_Survivors [14:10:12] "Darkness Exploration Records: The Record Of Survivors" is in bold but it's not displaying as such. [14:10:50] looks bold to me, it's got the font weight property `var(--font-weight-semi-bold)`, and I can see a difference when i change it to normal [14:11:08] ?? [14:11:16] [1/3] you're seeing the first? [14:11:16] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553771008127668314/image.png?ex=6aba7584&is=6ab92404&hm=38e24e91be2b0405210dcc10e405b3679c0343f225b701ee6b22495d24c13d37& [14:11:17] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553771008497033237/image.png?ex=6aba7584&is=6ab92404&hm=9179dcd52e4da304ab56505fc10b040ec8f5d4e13bbb532b59c19d2a09d15049& [14:11:32] Yup [14:11:33] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553771081070936145/image.png?ex=6aba7595&is=6ab92415&hm=b02918bf41fec3c4847d4f415116fb65cea0392f91174722933ec372fb037670& [14:11:38] Is it a browser issue? [14:11:46] probably, what browser? [14:12:00] I don't know exactly how it works, but sometimes font weight just doesn't really look the same [14:12:11] Chrome [14:12:16] ah ok, im in firefox [14:12:18] Standard Google Chrome [14:12:30] [1/6] add this to your MediaWiki:Common.css [14:12:30] [2/6] ```css [14:12:31] [3/6] b, strong { [14:12:31] [4/6] font-weight: bold; [14:12:31] [5/6] } [14:12:31] [6/6] ``` [14:12:34] it's bolder than the current font weight [14:12:49] and it should be completely compatible rather than setting a number i think [14:13:39] I have to separately add this now? It used to work perfectly fine before. It's just today this problem popped up. [14:14:03] Checked it in my Firefox browser as well, still the same :( [14:14:08] odd [14:14:16] hmmm let me look [14:14:24] i'm not that familiar with citizen and what it was like before, if this was a change to the skin, or a 1.46 change, or idk [14:15:29] It's showing up as if I inspect element, but it isn't rendering for some reason [14:15:39] but are you seeing that font weight property? [14:15:50] this one [14:16:03] toggling it would toggle it between the default font-weight bold and that [14:17:11] I'm sorry, where is this option? [14:17:35] [1/2] in inspect element [14:17:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553772598330921000/image.png?ex=6aba76ff&is=6ab9257f&hm=adb8bb46240c4aa7fb12ce09b81e27457ab8c739873da202cdba3e72f9422f15& [14:17:52] im not sure it matters tho [14:17:56] because it's just a display issue probably [14:19:51] Commonly across just my browsers? [14:20:02] yeah honestly that's what i dont really understand [14:20:26] why i see it and you don't but we should be viewing the exact same version of the page in the same browser [14:20:38] and we should both be loading the exact same version of the font [14:20:56] cause google seems to think it's because "semibold" version of the font (600 font weight) just isn't loaded, but idk [14:21:47] No, like Firefox is having the same issue. How is it possible that both of my browsers are affected by the same exact thing? [14:21:47] [1/2] you don't have any personal css do you. i'm assuming no but have to ask [14:21:48] [2/2] still unbold? [14:22:33] Yup [14:22:38] No personal CSS [14:25:37] when you said before that text formatting was out of whack, where else are you seeing this issue? [14:26:22] apparently locally installed fonts can change how browsers show them so if you happen to have it installed on your pc maybe that's the issue? that's the only thing i'm finding but if anyone else has another idea please jump in [14:26:58] it doesn't really make sense though, why would it change from day to day [14:27:03] lol [14:27:54] I only know how to fix css, not perform exorcisms 😭 [14:31:30] Every page actually. This [page](https://gsgw.miraheze.org/Kim_Soleum) for example, in its introductory paragraphs had a bunch of things in bold. I can't see it anymore. [14:32:08] [1/2] how about the italics? [14:32:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553776262000939198/image.png?ex=6aba7a68&is=6ab928e8&hm=c0a34fe48dedbd65e4a8f05b6a6f7af4edbc90b3851f2ac465fd26f8fdb89d5c& [14:32:15] and have you noticed it on any other site? [14:33:24] Nope, italics work [14:33:49] [1/2] As does bold, specifically here: [14:33:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553776681976860773/image.png?ex=6aba7acc&is=6ab9294c&hm=9bb3eeb3035507a68ca73d381520604c8a9cfb86dc8bb8a75cd50fff402381e4& [14:34:14] so just out of curiosity do you have Roboto font on your PC? [14:34:48] And when I go to [this](https://gsgw.miraheze.org/wiki/Paradise_Syrup?useskin=vector-2022) I can see it perectly again. [14:35:05] Yes actually [14:35:29] Vector 2022 uses just bog standard sans-serif so, that's probably why, there is no font [14:35:33] It's just in Regular though, no bold or italics... [14:35:47] So simpler was better 💔 [14:35:53] If only it didn't look so ass at times [14:36:08] well, you probably dont want to change your whole wikis font to sans serif lmfao, even just changing the semibolds to bolds is better [14:36:38] yeah I do not have Roboto installed myself [14:36:44] If I uninstall Roboto would that work? [14:36:53] You know what, I'll just do it. [14:36:54] i would imagine yes and i think you should try [14:37:03] i think it's overriding it since semibold is special [14:37:33] hey i put in my wiki request and was wondering if it has been put into a second review since i changed some of the stuff for it ? [14:37:50] "Cannot be uninstalled since there are programs using it." [14:38:34] maybe you could get a more updated version [14:39:16] like if u just download from here it will be a variable font and should probably support all font weights [14:40:14] Trying it out [14:40:31] it'll get checked eventually, it's a big process [14:40:56] is there any eta ? [14:41:16] Three to five days? [14:41:18] i dont know what your wiki is but check your wiki's status with this list to see what you need to do: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1231988529563697264/1231988529563697264 [14:41:50] [1/2] this status in the Special:RequestWikiQueue entry you made [14:41:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553778702746390648/image.png?ex=6aba7cae&is=6ab92b2e&hm=75eb8fe75684e582f0269945107aef42f0dc8e2c9e19d9d1eaa9e75f82a7bec4& [14:41:51] Thanks [14:42:28] IT WORKS!!! [14:42:32] ahahahahahahahahahahaha [14:42:32] YAYYYY [14:42:37] we have exorcised the demons [14:42:39] ty so much 😭😭😭 [14:42:47] no problem!! and now we both know xdd [14:42:52] [1/3] does anyone know why this happens with the #msupload-select button on citizen skin? does this have to be fixed manually via css or will this be fixed globally eventually? [14:42:52] [2/3] -# i checked and this does still happen on safemode=1 [14:42:52] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553778958997262346/bj7rtr0.png?ex=6aba7ceb&is=6ab92b6b&hm=3f3d62246589b09cf8ba1448744fcd2bc38dfe84cbab266f28234c19c810e167& [14:43:05] could i ask how you go about volunteering ? [14:43:25] Oh it just does that sometimes for me. [14:43:31] Browser issue I think? [14:43:53] oof [14:44:00] okay looks like ill have to try and css fix it then ✌️ [14:44:14] maybe this is a good way to get started: [14:44:30] Try clearing cookies and refreshing the page once, if it doesn't work. Move to the CSS? [14:46:12] seems to be stuck like this [14:47:05] yh i seen that, thast also why i came to discord, as im on Discord 24/7 compared to other platforms so i was jsut trying to figure out how i go about applying to help out as i got time and not much to do with it, i mean im a game dev but that gets stressful and at times i just wanna do some casual work yk not so head on lols [14:48:22] i think it depends on your strengths and what you like to do and help with, but not all volunteering has to be anything formal, sometimes it's just seeing something that could be better and making a move to improve it [14:49:18] i mean plenty of ppl post in #support it can be good to just keep an eye on it and see what you might be able to figure out or know the answer to [14:50:05] im more of a behind the scenes person i like the formality of helping people, but i do mostly coding, debugging, testing, scripting as i said im a game dev so im more of a behind the scenes person but defo will check it out [15:06:43] Added a new template to Dev: https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Tree_list [15:20:16] <_arawynn, replying to elitecroft138> in that case, you could try out getting involved in a tech-related role - information can be found on the already linked Contributing page [15:21:00] Tbh I don't mind sometimes adding stuff to dev wiki, but I probly will not be updating CSS bases as the skins do [15:24:15] I am too busy for unpaid CSS maintance work [15:27:55] I dont know how to explain this lol, i do back end work no CSS, CSS isnt the kind of work im looking for, i like working with back end coding system development log structures and linking systems, databases exc, i like more complicated systems. [15:38:46] well you have to start small before you can be given access to the backend, for obvious security reasons. and there's literally a section in the linked Contributing page on how to get started if you eventually want to be part of the backend tech team [15:58:02] could i ask if there are currently any wiki reviewers online doing reviews ? [15:59:23] <_arawynn> right now, no reviews are happening, I might do some later [15:59:48] Sorry for all the log spam, I never used templatestyles before [16:01:22] [1/3] im not trying to ask mine to be pushed up to the top as priority but could i ask that it be checked out please if possible ? [16:01:22] [2/3] as i havent seen anyone ask about reviews so just wondering if i can put my bit in by asking ? [16:01:23] [3/3] its jaydencroftwiki [16:02:25] <_arawynn> we/I will check it out when getting to reviewing the request [16:03:04] thank you, i think i seen around 40 in review [16:05:00] I'm not an actual wiki reviewer, but I have done some practices. If you send me a link to the request, I could give some advice regarding what a wiki reviewer might say (probably asking for more context), but it would not be an actual decision, as I am not a reviewer. [16:05:40] [1/7] 1 from the 22nd [16:05:40] [2/7] 2 from the 23rd [16:05:40] [3/7] 5 from the 24th [16:05:40] [4/7] 2 from the 25th [16:05:41] [5/7] 12 from the 26th [16:05:41] [6/7] 21 from 27th (today) [16:05:41] [7/7] so quite a hand full to go through [16:06:25] <_arawynn> 40 is not many requests [16:06:36] do you normally have more ? [16:07:34] <_arawynn> [1/2] up to 60 is not unusual [16:07:35] <_arawynn> [2/2] when it's bad because the Wiki Review AI doesn't work for days in a row it can go up to like 150 [16:07:48] daaaaamn [16:08:33] <_arawynn> we've got over 2000 wiki requests per month and until yesterday 3 people who somewhat regularly did reviews, with 1 doing most of the work [16:09:23] is doing reviews a election position ? and require training ? [16:09:37] <_arawynn> yes to both [16:10:51] [1/4] I am just wondering; there are currently several ways to mark a diff partolled on our wiki; how many are intended and how many should work? [16:10:51] [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553801100719685653/image.png?ex=6aba918a&is=6ab9400a&hm=267ba4ee9cd1d6de4b30d23cde96d2b989c65c1c4700ca7a33fb799091ef64c4& [16:10:51] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553801101172674682/image.png?ex=6aba918a&is=6ab9400a&hm=4f219b9ee05b241c230b5632848d8d64ca6fec98ceb5374e525254f81735e71b& [16:10:52] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553801101541646366/image.png?ex=6aba918a&is=6ab9400a&hm=b59d836580d5af50201a4ab6cbf094a142482c505074a720670e8e57d31c333c& [16:11:15] They should all work [16:11:58] Heya, sorry for the delay. Out of curiosity do you have any links to Jayden Croft gamez? [16:12:12] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1553801442161074196/image.png?ex=6aba91dc&is=6ab9405c&hm=d8efd5cfdca8382294d94edc338819fca34514f2872881063ff11321a3a00a16& [16:12:36] Are you sure? I had some issues with one of them, trying to sort them out... [16:12:42] [1/2] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Tree_list [16:12:42] [2/2] Why is my template not working? [16:12:59] [1/2] how does one go about a specific support root for example i was speaking about dev work but a specific section of dev work, so how would we go about isolation what we want to actually help out with for example some people may wanna help out with just tickets or account support, how would we go about isolation what we want to help out with, as i know volunt [16:12:59] [2/2] eering is optional but doesn't provide opportunity for them specific sections ? [16:13:31] If you want to help with Wiki requests, see [[Meta:Wiki Reviewers]] [16:13:32] [16:13:59] <_arawynn> In regards to how to go on about volunteering in tech I can't help you at all since I'm not involved in it [16:14:20] yes, the different sections are detailed in the Contributing page you keep getting linked to but not reading [16:14:37] See [[Contributing#technology team]] for info on how to volunteer with technical things [16:14:38] [16:14:39] Tech is the final section on it, just scroll down [16:14:55] [1/2] its all via my Croft Productions DC server but im currently in development of a game called Closing Hour with it been in early stages of development i only have actual unity/unreal engine screen shots nothing that shows the actual project functioning but my wiki is meant ot be a history page on my work my past projects my passion for coding exc pretty [16:14:55] [2/2] much everything to knwo about jayden croft [16:16:02] but all we be getting put in the wiki along with my other projects that i plan making forked off wiki for for my bigger projects that are linked to my main wiki [16:30:07] you can browse [[phab:]] and see if you can submit a pr or two [16:30:08] [16:31:01] this doesn't need any election or what. as long as your pr makes sense for the task it can get merged [16:32:12] and possibly you can get more familiar with how tech works in this process [16:41:01] @zeusdeegoose do you need anymore info from me ? [16:41:53] sorry i got busy all of a sudden [16:41:55] <_arawynn> anything besides a link should go to the request so it doesn't get lost [16:41:59] ill add it to the request [16:42:35] you require a link to the DC ? [16:43:14] all links are in my bio, its under croft productions [16:59:59] Usually no but I wanted to scan for CoPo issues, just to be safe [17:00:13] fairs [17:02:36] just wanted to check ive seen the note you have added, is there anything i need to do for it to be approved or is that was im currently waiting for ? [17:07:51] some of them will sometimes require you to go to another page to confirm that you want to patrol and then some of them work with javascript [17:17:50] Is there any templates we need from Wikipedia besides infoboxes? [17:18:34] <_arawynn> Don't get templates from Wikipedia, they tend to be overly complicated and break unless you know how they work [17:18:52] I don't think I would be very good at custom coding, but I did convert 2 from Wikipedia [17:18:54] <_arawynn> You can get templates from DevWiki [17:19:04] No, for devwiki [17:19:49] [1/3] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Compassrose [17:19:49] [2/3] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Tree_list [17:19:49] [3/3] These two I altered for the Taerel wiki or the Tales of a Grimdark World wiki, and put on dev as "Well, they are CC-BY-SA anyway" [17:20:18] <_arawynn> ah okay, I thought you wanted something else [17:20:20] I thought "A worldbuilding wiki may find them useful" [17:20:55] But Dark Gods, I hate Wikipedia templates [17:21:21] Like, why the hell does atree list need so many depencades [17:24:29] I guess today was producive, wrote 1500 words AND put two new templates on dev wiki [17:25:45] <_arawynn> 👍 that sounds very productive [17:29:30] Also, I will have to aplogise for the fact that I do not plan to update the CSS skin bases I made as I am a bit busy to do so [17:40:32] nope, just standby [17:43:23] Re: patrols again; we thought patrols were set to expire after 90 days - but this appears to be set differently centrally (or some things lingered due to our move to miraheze; so we are wondering, what’s the unpatrol expiration set to? [17:45:22] To the best of my knowledge they're indefinite by default. I've never seen one expire, anyway. [17:45:34] @elitecroft138 You're all set, best of luck [17:45:51] Thank you a:BlobCatDance: [17:47:16] Anytime, have a great day [17:47:28] You to [17:47:44] I am thinking though if I update the skin bases, should I follow main releases or LTS online? [18:00:38] quick question, how do i make so that if i have a specific template placed on a page that page goes in a specific category [18:32:40] WikiLink that category in the template [18:34:26] Include tags if you want only pages categorized and not the template itself [18:38:56] Also, do you think dev has enough infoboxes? [18:47:23] hey i just uploaded the first changes to my wiki and went to click edit to continue typing and clickign it does nothing ? [19:04:10] thank you :D [19:26:35] Are any of you having issues right now? [19:27:22] <_arawynn> Meta is taking a while to load for me [19:29:11] Sounds like I'm not the only one that's noticed. [19:36:34] Same here. [19:44:47] I made a temporary cloudflare rule which seems to have resolved it? [21:26:42] hi guys, what is the usual solution for making a map on mediawiki that has points of interests plotted against it? [23:18:00] working for me now [23:18:21] also this is random but did agent never get steward role on discord lol? [23:19:51] Agent does have it. [23:32:45] idk how i missed that [23:32:55] im getting old, my eyes are no longer working [23:34:20] maybe not old [23:34:30] that color is kinda hard to distinguish