[00:09:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> [1/2] I pointed an agent at the Stella Sora Wiki in a Podman container to find issues to fix, and it started calling the Miraheze API with some random user agents 😅 
[00:09:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> [2/2] Lessons learned, one, OpenCode's default settings allow arbitrary code execution, two, I should've caught that sooner.
[00:11:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> Set it properly to `Test bot by User:SeverityDuckling` now.
[00:17:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> Sorry about that.
[00:49:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to eri_nyuhuhu> It's all good. You probably saw a 403 error or something which is automated against certain request patterns. The amount of requests it does is probably way below the threshold to disrupt the servers or make a human notice.
[02:10:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide, replying to eytirth> Thank you for the compliment!
[02:42:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> hiii just a baby question how do i make a css page on my wiki? i wanna make a stylesheet for some layout stuff
[02:43:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> i know css i just dk how to do allat on mediawiki
[02:45:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> alsoalso is it possible to use more than one stylesheet in a page? i’m using the custom one for a column / table-like layout [some navigation on the main page, i wanna make it look pretty :-3], but i also wanna keep the default skin because i can’t make mobile-friendly sites to save my life TwT
[02:46:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Go to mediawiki:Common.css or the css page for your skin. If you go into preferences you can find links to all the skin css pages if you can’t find them otherwise
[03:25:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> [1/2] made a lil mockup what do we thinkkkkk :3
[03:25:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1554695779896004659/IMG_9053.jpg?backend=b2&ex=6abdd2c6&is=6abc8146&hm=cb65526a2cbda8a24cc93f54eed571f6f3cda7e5c8d5d62d9e0ab5b45f445890&
[03:29:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540, replying to acidicalchemist> Very nice mockup!
[03:31:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> after i get started on the wiki i should redo my own site i forgot how fun this was
[04:08:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <offical_real_andy> Severs seem to be a bit buggy, am I the only one?
[04:10:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin> No, I'm also dealing with the same thing
[04:24:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> my css aint loadin no matter how many times i clear cache is that part of it
[04:35:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> wait i used body instead of content #oops
[04:39:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> Following the MediaWiki update on Miraheze, a large number of extensions have encountered issues; for example, with CommentStreams, users are unable to post comments.
[04:42:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> What wiki is this?
[04:43:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @qiuyin_spring_tide
[04:44:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> backroomszhwiki
[04:44:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> The server has blocked the full link
[04:45:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> This may be because we are using a custom domain
[04:49:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> probably
[04:49:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> you can #verify to psot links normally
[04:49:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> but i'm a server mod so i can still see it
[04:51:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> ok
[04:51:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> https://wiki.backroomszh.org/
[04:52:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> thank you very much
[04:53:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to qiuyin_spring_tide> is this only as of the new update
[04:54:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> yes
[04:57:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to qiuyin_spring_tide> I don't think I've seen anyone report this in particular for 1.46 but I do see the wiki has an extension enabled which does have an open bug report for not playing nice with CommentStreams
[04:57:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [(8) ⚓ T15727 CommentStreams extension malfunctioning if VEForAll is enabled](https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T15727)
[04:57:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T15727
[04:57:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> well
[04:58:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide, replying to pixldev> Oh, one of the bugs mentioned there is exactly the same as the one we’ve encountered
[04:58:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Could you try disabling the extension and seeing if that resolve the issue? if that doesn't work I'd say submitting a bug report is probably the way tog o
[04:59:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> ok
[04:59:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> I’ll give it a go straight away.
[05:01:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> Yes, that is indeed the reason for this expansion
[05:02:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yeah don't love VEForAll
[05:04:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> that'll probably be smote at some point in the future (https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T15727)
[05:04:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> Hmm, are there any extensions that would allow the comments section to use code?
[05:05:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> How so?
[05:05:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide, replying to qiuyin_spring_tide> we really do need to be able to use code inthe comments..
[05:05:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> You mean templates or the visual editor?
[05:07:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (I believe that's the related page, I am not a zh speaker so i got the zhwiki page related to the enwiki page)
[05:07:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> we need to be able to use HTML code in the comments
[05:07:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> i maen
[05:08:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Like <b> tags and such>
[05:08:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide, replying to qiuyin_spring_tide> Oh, my English is so poor
[05:09:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide, replying to pixldev> yes
[05:09:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> If I don’t use VEForAll, can I use code in the comments?
[05:09:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> english just sucks
[05:10:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide, replying to pixldev> im sorry😭
[05:10:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> no no dont be
[05:10:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I've been using it every day for most of my life and I still don't like it
[05:10:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yes that should be fine, VEForAll is actually supposed to do the opposite, it is meant to add support for the Visual Editor (the WSYISYG)
[05:11:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If CommentStreams supports HTMl tags that should not change
[05:11:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> probabl
[05:11:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> Oh, it’s because I’m not familiar with this add-on
[05:12:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> thanks
[05:12:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> I don’t have any more questions at the moment
[05:13:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (For context, the name 'VEForAll' basically means 'Visual Editor For All [allow visual editor to be used in more places]')
[05:13:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It's not very good at it but
[05:13:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> ok...
[06:17:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prevelar> [1/2] is there a code/character/line limit for common.css?? i don’t know why but if i add any amount of code regardless of what it does to my common.CSS page the styling here just disappears and turns into the plain editor
[06:17:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prevelar> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1554738836431446097/IMG_2553.png?backend=b2&ex=6abdfae0&is=6abca960&hm=4bb3225d53edca3a68ec3d6ae05c59b271323edc5a9aac849307c3840f27556b&
[06:24:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu, replying to prevelar> Worth noting, that if your Common
[06:25:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> Sorry, sent the message early!
[06:25:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> The character limit is not something you are likely to hit, though.
[06:25:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prevelar> oh lord 🥲 how would i do that? all of my common.css lines are for styling the wiki and doesn't really have much on certain pages/templates
[06:26:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prevelar> and it's like almost 5000....
[06:28:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> Also, another thing that I will mention is that if possible, the fonts you use should be in WOFF or WOFF2 format; they load much faster than TTF. I'm not aware of a good online resource to convert them, but if you can use Python, [fonttools](https://github.com/fonttools/fonttools) is what I used on the Stella Sora Wiki.
[06:28:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu, replying to prevelar> Let me take a look at your wiki's CSS, a moment 🙂
[06:28:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prevelar> thank you! much appreciated
[06:41:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> [1/8] Some general review notes I noticed:
[06:41:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> [2/8] - !important is used on all declarations, it is not needed in most cases. Try removing all places it's used, then try increasing the specificity of selectors if it breaks, and if it's still broken, or the original class uses style="" or !important use it as a last resort. The reasoning behind this is that if !important is added on a base class, it overrides the hover, active, and
[06:41:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> [3/8]  any other state specific styles. It's a source of confusing moments, when you don't know what is overriding what. I can explain on this further if any of the terms I used are unclear!
[06:41:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> [4/8] - Different fonts are used in several places. This can make maintainability more difficult, as updating in one place requires remembering to update it in the other places. The same applies to colours and spacing. If you notice a value being used again more than a few, such as three times, it may be a good candidate for turning into a [CSS variable](https://developer.mozilla.org/e
[06:41:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> [5/8] n-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference/Properties/--*). The Common.css already has this for changing the Vector theme, so it could be used as reference.
[06:41:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> [6/8] - For properties like box-sizing, it may be appropiate to blanket apply `border-box` across all elements using a wildcard selector. 
[06:41:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> [7/8] - If the wiki design is in a seperate program such as Affinity Designer or Figma, you can make colour palettes with named swatches to make "handoff" to the CSS easier. In my own designs, the variables are named and I can copy paste my colour palettes into CSS variables.
[06:41:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> [8/8] Those are some pointers I have to give. I'm liking the wiki design so far, keep up the amazing work! <3
[06:42:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eri_nyuhuhu> If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them!
[06:48:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to prevelar> [1/2] Syntax highlighting will disappear once you approach a certain character count for performance reasons. The limit on the length of the of the page itself is much much larger.
[06:48:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to prevelar> [2/2] 4 thousand lines is a lot and as Eri said it warrants splitting.
[06:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prevelar> ah, thank you to the both of you 🥲 thanks for the advice
[07:13:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kuurubizu81> has anyone found a fix for the citizen page options menu not showing up on mobile since the new update
[07:16:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kuurubizu81> also the share button doesn't appear
[07:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kuurubizu81> this seems to be an ios exclusive bug
[07:23:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> there's already an issue https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/issues/1892
[07:25:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sleepingelephant312> i go to “view history” on the character wikis and the menu is malformed
[07:25:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sleepingelephant312> it shows options for my account when it is completely unrelated
[07:27:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1554412027915665558
[07:30:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to honoka55> I totally forgot to look into that today. Got busy with other things. Will tomorrow. Apologies.
[07:30:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I somehow totally forgot about that lol
[08:32:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide, replying to pixldev> well,there is actually another issue with our website: StandardDialogs are not working, so no dialogue box appears when a button is clicked.
[08:32:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qiuyin_spring_tide> I’m sorry to bother you again after such a long time
[10:36:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist, replying to prevelar> hallo hallo if it’s alright with you could you send me the source code of your stylesheet? i’m having trouble figuring out what certain mediawiki elements are called and having notes saying what’s what might help T-T [also fellow ipad editor hi]
[10:37:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> [1/2] :newgen:
[10:37:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1554804374918926386/IMG_9054.png?backend=b2&ex=6abe37e9&is=6abce669&hm=3c98735debe9c48269dbc027d03720be6aee38b5c6b9272c8f31e38e7f75fb83&
[10:38:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prevelar, replying to acidicalchemist> in all honesty i would NOT reccomend you getting my stylesheet considering how messy and chaotic it is 😭😭but i don't mind you taking code from my common.css page!!! just link back to my wiki heh
[10:38:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prevelar> it's 4000 lines it wouldn't fit in any message i sent i fear...
[10:38:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> kk :->
[10:39:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prevelar, replying to acidicalchemist> oh it's also incomplete btw... like really incomplete
[11:55:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Does Miraheze have an equivalent extension for [table checklists](https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Table_checklists)?
[11:56:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [1/3] Example wikis using this:
[11:56:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [2/3] https://bladeandsorcery.wiki.gg/wiki/Achievements
[11:56:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [3/3] https://cloverpit.wiki.gg/wiki/Lucky_Charms
[11:59:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [1/2] Here is where I want to use it
[11:59:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [2/2] https://doomsdayhunters.miraheze.org/wiki/Achievements
[12:06:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing, replying to justleafy2003> yes we have an extension just like fandoms, I don't recall the name but I think it's also called table progress tracking
[12:07:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> I have it on <https://wingspan.miraheze.org/wiki/Achievements>
[12:07:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to sailing> found it ty
[12:07:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> yippee
[12:08:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [1/2] side note but I love wiki newbies man they're so funny 😭
[12:08:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1554827296010141827/Screenshot_20260930_080509_Discord.jpg?backend=b2&ex=6abe4d42&is=6abcfbc2&hm=b01f3f01ef0e40ab7aa7da03d57bc6f2c1794a342169290dbd00f5507df07c1c&
[12:08:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> yeah it is exactly like fandom's
[12:08:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to sailing> same
[12:09:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> if it works it works
[12:13:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> yup
[12:13:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> d
[12:24:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauceonice> [1/3] Hi! Is there any way to load the Codex icon set site-wide on my Miraheze wiki, instead of adding each icon individually via templates or CSS?
[12:24:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauceonice> [2/3] Ideally I want them available everywhere on the wiki. Is this possible, or would it need a Phorge request / extension like CodexExample?
[12:24:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauceonice> [3/3] Thanks!
[13:43:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> Can i add something to a template thats only triggered once when the template is added to a page?
[13:44:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> Like creating a new page
[14:01:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to me.maxii> is this enabled by default or do i have to enable a certain extention?
[14:05:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing, replying to davyvm2009> Parser Functions on its own is default I believe, String Functions needs to be enabled. When in doubt just check your Special:ManageWiki/extensions and see what you currently have on
[14:06:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to sailing> fair fair
[14:06:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> which one is the extention that handles string functions again?
[14:07:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing, replying to lole5309> What do you mean by "triggered once"? Perhaps you're thinking of [[mw:Help:Substitution]] where content is inserted when the page is saved but does not update if the parameter(s) are changed later
[14:07:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Substitution>
[14:08:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing, replying to davyvm2009> It's actually a part of Special:ManageWiki/settings my bad. It's part of parser Functions. Just search string and you'll see it :)
[14:11:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to sailing> [1/2] this one right?
[14:11:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to sailing> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1554858119644053514/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6abe69f7&is=6abd1877&hm=a11600ceb46d732234c2e59b8ccf86a89afb98e993776a70b37581e76e565c1a&
[14:11:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> Yep
[14:11:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> 👍
[14:11:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> tysm
[14:11:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> But you don't need that for switch. I just wanted to mention that in case you were looking for those functions and wondering why they don't work
[14:12:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009, replying to sailing> ah-
[14:12:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> fair
[14:12:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <davyvm2009> well it's handy to just have enabled anyways
[15:51:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to sailing> No im still tring to automake as much as i can while every extension that can be used for that is either dead or removed for security concerns
[15:54:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing, replying to lole5309> Can you explain your use case and why you want something to trigger once rather than trigger every time the page is saved again?
[15:55:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> My articled are 2 part pages, one is the base page which has tabs for all its subpages, i want my wiki to automatically create the base page to save on labor
[15:56:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> Oh I see what you mean, yeah, I know there was an extension for that which got removed
[15:56:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> And to have the subpages be populated by the basic template everything uses
[15:57:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> Perhaps you'd be interested in using preloads. It doesn't automatically create pages for you but you can add certain content into pages by clicking a certain link
[15:57:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> People advised me to not use page forms
[15:57:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> Is preload something else?
[15:58:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> Yes preload is something else. I think it's native?
[15:59:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lynn.in> Preload is native
[15:59:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lynn.in> https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Creating_pages_with_preloaded_text
[16:00:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> Neat
[16:01:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [1/5] For example, in this wiki, we have a preload for a certain type of page located in a template:
[16:01:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [2/5] <https://pinnipedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Preload/Sealebrity>
[16:01:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [3/5] Then if users click links, or use an inputbox we have on the front page, the text gets preloaded.
[16:01:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [4/5] <https://pinnipedia.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Newarticletext>
[16:01:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> [5/5] In your case maybe I'm not sure where you have the link to your base page by default but you can make sure to add that preload thing to the url
[16:46:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <highpriestessborschitca> [1/2] Hi, is anyone else having an issue where the top toolbar isn't showing up in Medik? It usually stays at the top while editing, but since the update 2 days ago, it disappears when scrolling the page and only remains at the top—just like when reading an article. I hope this is a temporary issue caused by the update
[16:46:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <highpriestessborschitca> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1554897333916016670/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6abe8e7d&is=6abd3cfd&hm=5ba59f3fdaac02ee96e4170f6df8169169f5777151f93bbbca550923f5e2789b&
[17:03:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> what are the sidebar elements called i’m on mobile i can’t use inspect
[17:06:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> i know of mediawiki:sidebar but would i be able to change the color from there
[17:07:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <acidicalchemist> does the no <style> tag restriction apply to EVERY page or just ones for content
[17:13:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> [1/2] How do you change these footer icons?
[17:13:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1554903926426308658/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6abe94a0&is=6abd4320&hm=e205cd97abd0a4bd5e80948edde9cc91f2b7af95e84906df8090c17e7dbb4152&
[17:13:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> They are so ugly
[17:34:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <seachameleon> Hello, our wiki was using an uncached template with the choice extension and last night it stopped working right by providing new data on page refresh. Was a change made with how page caching is handled?
[17:40:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lordrazrs> Is it possible (and how to) use images from other media wikis? eg. bulbapedia?
[17:48:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <highpriestessborschitca> You can download them to your own wiki's gallery and cite the source. You can also create a template indicating that the image was taken from another wiki project and include a link to it in the notes. Hotlinking (using a direct link to an image on another site to display it) is prohibited
[18:01:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <seachameleon, replying to seachameleon> Realized I didn't say, this is an issue with the RandomSelection extension
[18:01:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <seachameleon> Gaslit myself into thinking it was called the Choice extension since the keyword is <choose>
[19:12:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity, replying to seachameleon> https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T15351, I believe [[dev:Template:Choose]] is the preferred replacement
[19:12:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Choose>
[21:20:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <seachameleon, replying to finsanity> [1/2] Two dumb questions: there's javascript provided on the documentation needed for settup but it says to put it into common.css and not common.js, is that accurate? And is there anywhere to find better info on how to set it up as a gadget instead?
[21:20:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <seachameleon, replying to finsanity> [2/2] second question; this is giving output with newlines, is there any way to scrub the newline from the output so it can be used in-block?
[21:24:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <seachameleon> And, tysm for the help
[21:34:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <falmingkitter> So uh, when my wiki is done what's the procedure there? Set it to read only and apply for Inactivity-exemption? Still a little way to go but I like knowing these things
[21:52:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul> Hi, is there any provisions or standards for requesting a testing/sandbox wiki or is it just preferred to use the public test? I'm planning out a desktop client for a wiki I'm not an administrator of and I don't think it actually needs to do much beyond basic page and file CRUD, but I'd like to vet the work in a safer environment than the live wiki.
[21:53:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki, replying to seachameleon> fixed that now
[21:53:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki> I'd say probably best to use the renderblocking version if it's visible when the user reads the page
[22:03:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <seachameleon, replying to jenny_on_wiki> Oh, thank you! Other question that I deleted bc I was figuring it out myself, can I just add to common.css or make a css template to make the output divs into inline
[22:07:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lynn.in, replying to falmingkitter> this question confuses me because there's generally no "done" for a wiki and it's also not common to set a wiki to read-only if it cuts off access to other people being able to contribute
[22:14:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <falmingkitter, replying to lynn.in> so maybe no "read only", but this is a fairly small game from 10 years ago, there will be no new updates and 90% of the relevant game data is in .cvs or .txt files. after a few rounds of peer review I'd be confident saying "done" when it is
[22:16:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing, replying to falmingkitter> If the game will never get another update then yeah, you can apply for inactivity then
[22:18:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sailing> But I agree, there's basically no good reason to ever set a wiki to read-only. I had a wiki of the same case, game from 14yrs ago which got taken down, even though there's no more data to add outside of lost media, you can always add image alt text, touch up the css or find other resinless behavior tasks to do
[22:19:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <falmingkitter> got it, thanks
[23:09:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [1/2] I'm encountering a strange issue where images added by a template I made have a white background, despite being transparent.
[23:09:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1554993579729092758/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6abee81f&is=6abd969f&hm=d96ecdc78e09328d0fac06f03864fb9c595961abbd97098e639c6fe0e2bc3d7f&
[23:10:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [1/2] Checking the page source, it appears that this is some CSS applying a background for a non-inverted image?
[23:10:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [2/2] Tho, it feels odd to me that this happens only to these sets of images, while others are unaffected
[23:10:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [1/22] The template in question is found here: <https://julsenmcserver.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:TrainIcons>
[23:10:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [2/22] And the Wikitable code used is the following:
[23:10:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [3/22] ```
[23:10:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [4/22] {| class="wikitable"
[23:10:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [5/22] ! Type
[23:10:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [6/22] ! Stations
[23:10:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [7/22] ! Compositions
[23:10:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [8/22] |-
[23:10:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [9/22] ! colspan="3" | S302
[23:10:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [10/22] |-
[23:10:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [11/22] | Train
[23:10:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [12/22] |
[23:10:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [13/22] * Dark Forest Mansion
[23:10:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [14/22] * Oak-on-sea
[23:11:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [15/22] * Redwood Village
[23:11:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [16/22] * Waterville Central (Intl.)
[23:11:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [17/22] | SBB Setup:<br>
[23:11:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [18/22] {{TrainIcons|l,1,2,2,bl2}}
[23:11:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [19/22] LaVIA Setup:<br>
[23:11:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [20/22] {{TrainIcons|fl,e,e,e,bl}}
[23:11:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [21/22] |}
[23:11:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [22/22] ```
[23:14:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <apinkfoxnamedyoki, replying to sailing> -# Resinless behavior...
[23:15:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465, replying to andre601> did you fix it? if not, what browser do you use?
[23:15:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [1/2] It's not fixed, or I would've not asked here tbh.
[23:15:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [2/2] And I use firefox
[23:16:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [1/2] Only thing I can tell, is that this CSS monstrosity is applied to these images.
[23:16:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1554995475504037948/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6abee9e3&is=6abd9863&hm=98d09d1fc6c07ecd55673c21766f7b30a36941125f186703dcdc918bb7eff473&
[23:17:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> My best guess would be that the `text<br>...` is changing CSS stuff around here.
[23:22:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465, replying to andre601> I ask because I don't have the problem on chrome
[23:22:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465> lemme switch to firefox and I'll see what I can find
[23:23:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul, replying to andre601> [1/2] can't replicate on firefox in light or dark mode
[23:23:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul, replying to andre601> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1554997265658159194/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6abeeb8e&is=6abd9a0e&hm=a4024ababce58eb38d3526941f44aff39a5468cf4adbd5c7bf07a3fae26a6fb3&
[23:24:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [1/10] Issue seems to specifically be putting content on new lines.
[23:24:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [2/10] Like this works fine:
[23:24:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [3/10] ```
[23:24:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [4/10] | {{TrainIcons|l,1,2,2,bl2}}
[23:24:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [5/10] ```
[23:24:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [6/10] but this isn't
[23:24:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [7/10] ```
[23:24:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [8/10] |
[23:24:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [9/10] {{TrainIcons|l,1,2,2,bl2}}
[23:24:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [10/10] ```
[23:25:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> If I put everything on a single line, it renders fine
[23:25:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> So putting it on a new line probs changes the HTML (Most likely wrapping it in span tags
[23:26:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601, replying to pxdnbluesoul> You find the issue on <https://julsenmcserver.miraheze.org/wiki/Dark_Forest_Mansion>
[23:26:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <person0192837465> I see it on chrome now
[23:26:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> It's generally just some weird CSS, which applies no matter the browser anyways
[23:27:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul, replying to andre601> yeah it's specifically that p>span combination that's causing the background, you have it right
[23:27:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [1/2] Will put it on a single line for now...
[23:27:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <andre601> [2/2] Not sure why that even is a thing to begin with tbh. The CSS on the wiki is to my knowledge just the standard one
[23:28:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul> it probably solved some even more obscure edge case 😅
[23:31:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul> [1/6] ```css
[23:31:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul> [2/6] @media screen {
[23:31:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul> [3/6]  html.skin-theme-clientpref-night p > span.mw-default-size:not(.skin-invert-image) img { background-color: transparent; }
[23:31:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul> [4/6] }
[23:31:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul> [5/6] ```
[23:31:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pxdnbluesoul> [6/6] in a custom stylesheet would fix it if you need it