[00:14:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth> A question; is there a way outside of {{#argmap}} to forward parameters? I’d like to call a template inside of an argmap template, forwarding the parameters.
[03:17:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zeusdeegoose> that new rfc is shifting in a light that i didn;t really expect it to go
[03:18:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zeusdeegoose> a lot of those ideas seemed like slam dunks on paper, flaws are definitiely getting more revealed as time goes on
[03:19:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zeusdeegoose> i still stand by a lot of my votes, but there are deffo more mixed opinions as i look at it
[04:08:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <superestblyeth> kotone spotted
[04:26:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to zeusdeegoose> Yeah, I may have opposed on most, but I really don't have any opposition to the spirit/intent, just the particulars.
[04:27:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I would LOVE to spend less time and convert more things to fully self-serve
[04:27:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> It's just all the gnarly abuse vectors one doesn't see unless they're in the weeds of it daily. 🙁
[08:59:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to notaracham> [1/2] I think possibly it could have done with a little more drafting time to iron out things like what @/person0192837465 pointed out on the unilateral deletion proposal, among other things. A lot of these aren't necessarily bad ideas but the wording is unclear at best.
[08:59:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to notaracham> [2/2] As well as some type of tech consultation would have been advisable on something that's a heavily tech-centric RfC.
[09:02:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> The bureaucrat removal one could have done with more nuance than two diametrically opposed options applied compulsorily to all wikis though.
[09:16:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Strange, somehow SimpleBatchUpload doesn't allow upload webp
[09:41:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> yo how does subcategories work and how can I assign one to a main category (for some reason my main categories that are deleted still show up, and my new one doesnt show even if its created)
[09:44:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> likely cache issue
[09:46:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> ok...so...I went to the "Create Category" special page, and the moment I clicked to create one it gave a "fatal exception"
[09:46:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> ``[c1292b994465074a82e7bc3f] 2026-10-07 09:45:37: Fatal exception of type "TypeError"``
[09:46:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> thats the error
[09:47:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> and the first part of those randoms numbers and letters randomizes every time i try to create a category this way
[09:49:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [1/15] I need to sleep. Will hand this off to another tech.
[09:49:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [2/15] ```
[09:49:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [3/15] mediawiki_exception_message
[09:49:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [4/15] PFCreateCategory::createCategoryText(): Argument #1 ($default_form) must be of type string, null given, called in /srv/mediawiki/1.46/extensions/PageForms/specials/PFCreateCategory.php on line 70
[09:49:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [5/15] mediawiki_exception_trace
[09:49:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [6/15] from /srv/mediawiki/1.46/extensions/PageForms/specials/PFCreateCategory.php(23)
[09:49:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [7/15] #0 /srv/mediawiki/1.46/extensions/PageForms/specials/PFCreateCategory.php(70): PFCreateCategory::createCategoryText(null, string, string)
[09:49:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [8/15] #1 /srv/mediawiki/1.46/includes/SpecialPage/SpecialPage.php(730): PFCreateCategory->execute(null)
[09:49:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [9/15] #2 /srv/mediawiki/1.46/includes/SpecialPage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1711): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPage->run(null)
[09:49:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [10/15] #3 /srv/mediawiki/1.46/includes/Actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(505): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath(string, MediaWiki\Context\RequestContext)
[09:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [11/15] #4 /srv/mediawiki/1.46/includes/Actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(145): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performRequest()
[09:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [12/15] #5 /srv/mediawiki/1.46/includes/MediaWikiEntryPoint.php(180): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->execute()
[09:49:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [13/15] #6 /srv/mediawiki/config/initialise/entrypoints/index.php(71): MediaWiki\MediaWikiEntryPoint->run()
[09:49:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [14/15] #7 {main}
[09:49:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> [15/15] ```
[09:50:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413, replying to posix_memalign> uh...........
[09:50:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> what do I do with this?
[09:54:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to niofrostgd413> It's caused by Page Forms so you can disable this extension if you don't need its features. Otherwise wait for someone else from tech to look into this. File a request on [[Phorge]] in case we all forget.
[09:54:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge>
[10:05:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esheep_mk2> [1/2] I'm observing that both flavors of Vector skin are gone, and judging by checkmarks replaced by some new skins that were never enabled on the wiki. Any idea what is going on?
[10:05:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esheep_mk2> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557333029578608680/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac76ae8&is=6ac61968&hm=4d4947abce9576abea971b55788d62b787b18a60910723846ba18b718abf2b7b&
[10:20:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413, replying to posix_memalign> ok
[10:31:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to esheep_mk2> Vector is one extension and is a global one that doesn't show on that lost
[10:32:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And the others have been / still are defaults so enabled for every wiki
[10:37:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esheep_mk2> Purging pages seems to have resolved it but I've got reports of non-logged users being stuck on minerva and unable to switch to vector through desktop link. I've observed the same myself.
[10:38:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esheep_mk2> Actually, it's back https://bluearchive.wiki/wiki/Main_Page
[10:41:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413, replying to posix_memalign> ok so...I disabled the Page Forms and the help I had creating subcategories is out...awesome sauce
[10:41:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> somehow the only page that doesnt work without the extension is the Create Category page
[10:41:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> no clue why the others work
[10:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> but the Create Category page still shows up in Special Pages
[10:42:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> so yeah i need help with creating subcategories
[10:42:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> :screaming:
[10:42:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to esheep_mk2> I believe you put 2+2 together and got about 12
[10:43:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> That sounds like caching though if it's only affecting logged out
[10:43:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Which is slightly concerning
[10:43:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @paladox ^
[10:49:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esheep_mk2, replying to rhinosf1> In my defence I last took a look at skins list several years ago, and it showing completely diiferent set of skins compared to userprefs isn't exactly intuitive. In retrospect I remember setting up $wgSkipSkins back then,
[10:50:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to esheep_mk2> There's only a few extra nowadays
[10:50:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> In user prefe
[10:52:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esheep_mk2> Purging again from anon browser seems to work, no idea if temporary. Switching back and forth to mobile version also works.
[10:56:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <niofrostgd413> yo how do I put a category in the Main Category selector of the page editor?
[11:17:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox, replying to esheep_mk2> the issue is resolved?
[11:17:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <paladox> i can't seem to reproduce tho
[11:22:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <esheep_mk2, replying to paladox> Appears resolved for now. Anecdotally I have seen at least one report of the same a couple days ago, but didn't pay it much attention. Will keep an eye out for more reports on our end.
[12:01:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki, replying to karpeth> Lua invoke can access parameters you gave to the template
[12:03:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <karpeth> Thanks. I'll read up on that.
[12:39:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jenny_on_wiki, replying to zeusdeegoose> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:LongPages>
[13:45:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> [1/2] I am having issues with the citizen theme on mobile, where the visual editor is missing, this is how it looks, there is no source editor button, and the regular edit button puts you into the source editor, the button to switch between editors is also missing, its completely fine on desktop view
[13:45:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557388478164115597/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac79e8c&is=6ac64d0c&hm=2125dde382f830ff0c47bf5863b95794076218cca8954af473ad34e233d850e7&
[13:45:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> [1/2] Its completely fine on desktop view
[13:45:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557388515027849256/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac79e94&is=6ac64d14&hm=e1e4f1ac75c4ace07e713abacac408d5132444e3c9563baf4f249978f2af0252&
[14:19:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <btdbjy, replying to tobi6hana> me too
[15:41:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoobear, replying to tobi6hana> [1/2] it's okay on my wiki
[15:41:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoobear, replying to tobi6hana> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557417671299965058/Screenshot_2026_1007_234118.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac7b9bc&is=6ac6683c&hm=b09a65f7a5e94207d563b23404d691bf59d6050a8baf97127939be91cfeb4853&
[15:42:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to tangoobear> Does your wiki run citizen though? That button looks different.
[15:44:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoobear> [1/2] of course
[15:44:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoobear> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557418277830000731/Screenshot_20261007_234356.jpg?backend=b2&ex=6ac7ba4c&is=6ac668cc&hm=f3ca8cc14d7e418b530fa9cc08067d26dd2560927b26fa1ea07513d752a923a8&
[15:45:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Fair. I just wasn't sure (I don't use citizen on anything myself) so wanted to double check.
[15:47:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoobear> that's fine. also, what's kind of skin u choose?
[15:54:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> I personally just leave things on vector, because I'm not good enough at styling for skin choice to make that much difference.
[15:58:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauceonice> [1/3] Is there a way to change these icon style from image to image 2 on Vector 2022 skin?
[15:58:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauceonice> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557421833698021386/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac7bd9c&is=6ac66c1c&hm=c07a7dfee32de6a99c216fff1a4df710f28bbb5ca92e3100697109fc846606ca&
[15:58:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauceonice> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557421834281160756/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac7bd9c&is=6ac66c1c&hm=418430a033e3d411d102c641f2adc288ebd4602ac4cc8f6f2bc48e94cbba413a&
[15:59:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] Ellos, Usagi Shima is getting a Steam release sooon, so I've been getting my hyperfixation again and workin on the wiki
[15:59:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] I wanna have a table on the main page that shows off all currently available seasonal items. How do I make it so that it will switch out automatically based on the date?
[16:07:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoobear, replying to ghaztliousmoths> i think u cloud create a template to change the table automatically, what kind of table u want to have?
[16:07:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Lemme make a mock up
[16:09:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoobear> oookay, i will contact u next day. it's midnight now here
[16:10:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoobear> u cloud free to dm me
[16:17:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Oki
[16:18:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> I'll dm u tomoz if no one else is able to look
[16:20:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/3] But this is esstially want I want visually
[16:20:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/3] The parts I want to have automatically change are the event name, the length of availability and the gallery of images
[16:20:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557427361480179816/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac7c2c2&is=6ac67142&hm=0149a1a62eae972c3d37767f669f3e71403b1f7e1b228c390dae8e1a40856b4b&
[16:43:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> You can use a `switch` parser function and the `CURRENTMONTH` magic word to display things differently based on the current month --> <https://dappervolk.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:CurrentSeason>
[16:58:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana, replying to tangoobear> mobile or desktop?
[16:59:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> idk its not fine on mine so like i want to find out why
[17:37:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to janebuzjane> Can it be specified on specific dates? Cuz the items arent's from the 1st to the 31st
[18:26:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to tobi6hana> Are you using MobileFrontend?
[18:29:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana, replying to atxatx> ugh, i am not going to act like i know what you mean
[18:29:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> i am not experienced with miraheze
[18:29:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> i just do css
[18:29:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> and happened to ugh
[18:29:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> work on the wiki settings stuff
[18:30:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Mobile frontend is an extension for mobile wiki editing.
[18:30:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx> If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, do you see `Switch to mobile/desktop view `?
[18:31:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana, replying to sakurababochka> [1/2] yea its on
[18:31:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana, replying to sakurababochka> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557460265463980123/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac7e167&is=6ac68fe7&hm=d0b48457de3a7576fd2e40c22180c8148080124a4b71c20388b026877243ebb4&
[18:31:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana, replying to atxatx> yeah
[18:31:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> And a few other things, but that's the main one.
[18:31:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx> Turn it off and it'll be fixed
[18:31:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx> Mobilefrotend changed the edit button
[18:32:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana, replying to atxatx> yea its fine now
[18:32:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tobi6hana> wth
[18:39:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/7] New RfF incoming I guess.
[18:39:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/7] Though before I do that, anyone else want to write a Request for Feedback? It'll cover various changes such as:
[18:39:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [3/7] 1. Enabling syntax highlighting by default for everyone
[18:39:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [4/7] 2. Enabling edit recovery by default for everyone
[18:39:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [5/7] 3. Do not enable MobileFrontend and MinervaNeue by default for new wikis (and maybe enable it automatically if the wiki's default skin is Vector legacy?)
[18:39:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [6/7] 4. Enable TemplateData for new wikis by default
[18:39:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [7/7] You don't have to write all of them. Just a few to get started and anyone else can add more. The format would be the same as [previous iterations](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Noticeboard/Request_for_feedback:_changes_to_default_MediaWiki_settings).
[18:40:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> I didn't know edit recovery was a thing.
[18:40:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Whereabouts is that in preferences?
[18:42:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to sakurababochka> [1/2] You can also enable it globally so that it works for every wiki
[18:42:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to sakurababochka> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557463201963053127/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac7e423&is=6ac692a3&hm=01c13534c474314ba20e40a73a73776ef13a57e3c63e008116914887e510ad26&
[18:43:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Thanks!
[20:13:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane, replying to ghaztliousmoths> Yes, see <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Variables>
[20:14:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Thank youu
[20:23:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chyrchkhel> [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557488598708650094/image.jpg?backend=b2&ex=6ac7fbca&is=6ac6aa4a&hm=bfb6fa7815435b33648d36fbcd353e41be3cf9d9899a017cc5e46768f71bcc39&
[20:23:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chyrchkhel> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557488599661027368/image.jpg?backend=b2&ex=6ac7fbca&is=6ac6aa4a&hm=ae9784e0f78da0dafe79032cd872488805a0acb6756281d21e99c7b3b7e97116&
[20:24:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to chyrchkhel> @Discord Moderators
[20:47:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [1/3] Stuck on something. On Vector Classic I'm trying to make it where menu headings fill the vertical space of the menu, this is what they currently look like and the other is a mock-up.
[20:47:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557494475423490208/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac80143&is=6ac6afc3&hm=d80742f414a46325c37fd14815ebaa6597155a00b1bbf1ae359e83d66f1cecbf&
[20:47:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557494476165877821/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac80143&is=6ac6afc3&hm=0112ddc44449847e3f129663c5947084aeb18a23a9c455707c83f49b907254a3&
[20:51:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [1/2] for reference im trying to mimic the sidebar of vndb.
[20:51:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1557495655146979488/image.png?backend=b2&ex=6ac8025d&is=6ac6b0dd&hm=1b5935b6616a44030c02a8bc731d7a20e98b244696d1cb3cb8b553fdd5cb7115&
[22:06:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> is there some setting for cargo to extend its allowed space? i think i reached its limit
[22:07:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> it isnt saving new entries