[00:03:23] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> It's Test Wiki not Miraheze.
[00:04:36] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> I am using an example of a platform that is far, far larger and its suppression request volume to illustrate why a dedicated suppressor on a relatively  small project may be unnecessariy
[00:04:38] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> I am using an example of a platform that is far, far larger and its suppression request volume to illustrate why a dedicated suppressor on a relatively  small project may be unnecessary
[00:05:03] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> if someone can say to the contrary that there is a volume which kiteretsu would support with then I rest my case
[00:05:28] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> This is not neccessary but it's important to do so.
[00:05:38] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> you contradict yourself
[00:05:46] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> if it is not necessary then how is it important
[00:06:33] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> This is not neccessary but it's important to do so we can't go on by comparing Test Wiki with Miraheze and @raidarr  seeing like this Wikimedia is far larger than Miraheze so it's neccessary there also an example
[00:07:08] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> It's an descison of all people neither you or nor me so no meaning of fighting here
[00:07:18] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> ?
[00:08:05] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> Actually @raidarr was trying to say there is no need of supression rights here on Test Wiki
[00:08:09] <icinga-testwiki>	 RECOVERY - load on server.testwiki.wiki is OK: LOAD OK - total load average: 1.45, 2.34, 2.92  
[00:08:22] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> that is not what I was trying to say
[00:08:40] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> nor is it relevant to say it is a decision of everyone if I am merely presenting a case why it may not be necessary for voters to review
[00:08:49] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> nor is it relevant to say it is a decision of everyone if I am merely presenting a case why it may not be necessary, for voters to review
[00:09:43] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> what I was raising was a consideration if there is actual market need for additional suppressors on the wiki, given that circumstances demanding them tend to be few and there are already active and authorized people to respond to incidents
[00:10:02] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> Nexovia please exercise common sense and do not argue unnecessarily
[00:10:27] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> Huh this is a reason and pardon I didn't understood at first
[00:10:55] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> He is somehow right make sense
[00:11:36] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> I make particular note of it because the request for permissions says nothing for why the permissions are needed
[00:12:08] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> but @justarandomamerican can you clarify more on this actually as a Steward I want your opinion
[00:12:11] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> not much why is required for a testing permission, but some reason should be a factor if there is a permission that has more sensitive access to the wiki
[00:12:36] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> Yeah this is not an tetsing right and the person who requested is much trusted
[00:12:56] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> trust indeed does not seem to be a concern given the supporting audience
[00:13:23] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> though an answer to justa's question would be interesting, and he is the only one who applied actual question/scrutiny to the request
[00:13:35] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> yeah really
[00:14:10] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> I would expect at least some sort of scrutiny even if say, I suddenly made an account and wished to join the testwiki team. Certainly I don't think trust would be an issue there, but it would be reasonable to wonder why I would do that out of nowhere
[00:14:55] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> yeah but till now everyone has supported that
[00:15:06] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> hm?
[00:15:14] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> Everyone has supported what?
[00:15:17] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> isn't it?
[00:15:31] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> you'll have to specify
[00:15:40] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> me?
[00:15:43] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> yes
[00:15:51] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> what is 'that' which everyone has supported
[00:15:59] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> if it's the request itself, then clearly, but my point stands
[00:16:15] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> and people can, or not decide to act based on that point
[00:16:20] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> can't you see yourself
[00:16:39] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> frankly there is a language barrier here so being more specific would be helpful
[00:16:59] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> Hello
[00:17:11] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> No actually it is very difficult for a native English speaker to spot what 'that' is
[00:17:28] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> huh
[00:17:33] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> and if 'that' refers to lack of scrutiny in permissions requests overall, then perhaps that should change
[00:17:59] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> Sorry if you are trying to indirectly tease me cause of my english
[00:18:15] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> I am trying to deduce what you are talking about because you still did not clarify what you meant
[00:18:45] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> for what
[00:18:51] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> sigh
[00:19:03] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> anyway, I think everyone else should see what I was getting at
[00:19:51] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <xaloria45> yes
[00:24:30] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> dmehus still a steward here, that brings me back
[00:24:53] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> I do, in fact, see what you are getting at. I am one of the many people authorized to use the suppression tool that Test Wiki has.  Quite frankly, there is only one active authorized person (me), and the rest are far less active than when they became suppressors or stewards. Whilst the less active can always respond to a request on discord or via email, I think it's better to have 24/7 active coverage imo
[00:25:09] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> that is actual reasoning, thank you
[00:26:54] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> I wish some form of that was represented on the request itself as it seems to just be asking for the right for the sake of it, which as you seemed to deduce is slightly troublesome when a right was previously asked for without understanding what it was about
[00:28:47] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> I would encourage  the candidate to potentially hold off for a bit
[00:28:47] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> ~~and he's still using his technical and formal capabilities to supervote~~
[00:28:58] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> ~~he's alive?~~
[00:29:08] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> Is who alive
[00:29:17] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> I haven't seen doug for a long time now
[00:29:24] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> Same
[00:29:30] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> Dough was a pretty good steward
[00:29:56] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> That is, erm, debatable
[00:30:20] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> I digress here, no idea what his record is this neck of the woods
[00:30:29] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> eventful would be my guess
[00:31:35] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> It is. I too digress
[00:31:52] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> I'm asking the same thing I'm unsure what was going on with dough but have no interest in digging
[00:31:59] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> I'm asking the same thing I'm unsure what was going on with dough but have no interest in digging the grave
[00:35:42] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> probably made bread if we're talking about dough
[00:35:48] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> yes I'm joking
[00:36:01] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> I assume he's busy with his job or something else
[00:36:42] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> He's been quite inactive for a while now but has never reached the 6 month threshold to have his rights automatically removed
[00:37:03] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> he's good with that
[00:37:12] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <raidarr> I should catch up with him should he pop in sometime
[00:43:04] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> I've seen dough disappear for long periods of time than return
[00:49:30] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> I wouldn't be opposed to dough returning as steward on miraheze is he shows constructive activity
[00:51:16] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> I wouldn't be opposed to dough returning as steward on miraheze if he shows constructive activity
[14:06:40] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <drummingman> I am also still active... Not Not as much as first... but well connected via discord. And I keep an eye on the wiki so there are still 2 active stewards ...,
[14:06:56] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <drummingman> I am also still active... Not as much as first... but well connected via discord. And I keep an eye on the wiki so there are still 2 active stewards ...,
[14:15:19] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> apologies, this is what i meant
[14:20:35] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <justarandomamerican> I do, in fact, see what you are getting at. I am one of the many people authorized to use the suppression tool that Test Wiki has.  Quite frankly, there are only 2 active authorized persons (me & Drummingman), and the rest are far less active than when they became suppressors or stewards. Whilst the less active can always respond to a request on discord or via email, I think it's better to have 24/7 active
[14:36:47] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> Is dough being demoted
[14:40:05] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <drummingman> No. He meets the minimum activity requirement. From the looks of it, he was active in September.
[14:42:37] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <drummingman> @dmehus A friendly ping.
[16:28:30] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> I find it a bad idea for someone to block them self while they are running for rights
[16:31:23] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <bhairava7> Uff.... 🧐
[17:25:49] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> Elaborate on this
[17:40:28] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> I am sorry but your pfp is really cute, can you send me original photo
[17:58:44] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <cocopuff2018> You want me to send you my profile pic
[17:59:12] <TestWikiRelay>	 [discord] <astor.pastor> Yeah the image for if I screen shot it won't be perfect