[00:01:23] [discord] one wiki has zero reason to use CA [00:01:39] [discord] satisfying CA's quirky wants alone would be beyond scope I would think [02:11:01] [discord] Np, I have a fast way of doing it [02:11:12] [discord] No gadgets [02:11:16] [discord] No scripts [02:11:38] [discord] Just CTRL + T and W [02:28:56] [discord] 🤣 [02:45:36] [discord] I can demonstrate but the whole world will have to wait [02:46:01] [discord] and especially with the aforementioned Discord page edit [10:57:25] [discord] The account “the woman” is very odd [11:20:50] [discord] Yep! [12:58:57] [discord] Most definitely [12:59:03] [discord] CU turns up nothing though [13:01:31] [discord] CU turns up nothing though so we'll have to look at behavior, which is a bit difficult without edits [14:16:54] [discord] Blud created Nexovia 😂💀 [16:28:03] [discord] Discord page is looking majestic! [16:34:05] [discord] Of course! This is possible only because of you...🙂 [18:04:37] [discord] @zippybonzo there is no point in making another wiki farm testwiki is fine as a single wiki [18:06:04] [discord] why not create a centralauth test wiki and this one could affiliate with that one [18:08:16] [discord] I don't see the point in it [18:10:56] [discord] CA int made for the purpouse of testing nor can everyone test on it [18:11:10] [discord] CA int made for the purpouse of testing nor can everyone test on it due to the restrictions of the extension [18:11:25] [discord] CA is not made for the purpouse of testing nor can everyone test on it due to the restrictions of the extensio [18:58:24] [discord] Do you object if I close the community portal centralauth discussion? [19:00:49] Even if we did install it, things like global user rights would be restricted due to them allowing access to restricted/sensitive user rights [19:02:42] I'll close the CentralAuth discussion right now. [19:04:58] Now closed. [19:09:44] [discord] I must all mention there wouldn't be much stuff that can be tested on centrelauth [19:09:51] [discord] I must also mention there wouldn't be much stuff that can be tested on centrelauth [19:17:27] [discord] never mind, zippybonzo undid my closure [19:26:27] [discord] I never said wikifarm [19:27:13] [discord] I meant having a beta wiki connected, which would allow people to test how CA works. [19:27:58] [discord] I'm opposed to the CA idea and I'm firm on my decision like mentioned before CA isn't something that can be tested on I find it unnecessay and CA would have to be maintained by someone with experience. [19:28:06] [discord] if it's only 2 wikis, stuff like global rollback and global sysop could be considered for testing [19:28:33] [discord] CA isn't hard to maintain [19:28:36] [discord] I'm against the idea that beats the purpose of local rights [19:28:37] [discord] once it's setup [19:28:40] [discord] and everybody is migrated [19:28:41] [discord] it's easy [19:28:51] [discord] and bc it's only 1 wiki, migration to SUL would be very easy [19:29:05] [discord] if it's only 2 wikis that's not the point [19:29:13] [discord] the idea is that you could test some features CA has [19:29:26] [discord] like global blocking etc [19:29:41] [discord] I don't think globalblocking is something everyone should be able to test on [19:30:02] [discord] That's a dangerous permission to grant [19:31:32] [discord] not really [19:31:34] [discord] CA would be a Risky thing to hand out since it has multiple features to it which should remain restricted [19:31:43] [discord] global blocks can't cause much damage because they are IP only [19:31:59] [discord] hence why it has global group perms which allow for granular control [19:32:25] [discord] Why not host ur own @zippybonzo might Be a better option [19:32:40] [discord] Why not host ur own? @zippybonzo might Be a better option [19:34:04] [discord] because it's a pain in the ass to test stuff on docker [19:34:13] [discord] Before this conversation even started the idea should of atleast gotten feedback from multiple members of the community, as multiple are opposed to the idea [19:35:32] [discord] hence why I opened a discussion [19:36:00] [discord] I will remain opposed to this [19:36:12] [discord] sure but you haven't given any reason [19:36:23] [discord] and it's not all about !votes [19:39:32] [discord] I am not gonna sit here and write a long essay on my opposition towards this request dont have time for that nor am I gonna use my time and effort into a long essay towards my oppose I'm not required to provide any reasoning towards it however if you look at all the messages written you will see my reasoning for opposing and my concerns towards this [19:39:43] [discord] I am not gonna sit here and write a long essay on my oppose towards this request dont have time for that nor am I gonna use my time and effort into a long essay towards my oppose I'm not required to provide any reasoning towards it however if you look at all the messages written you will see my reasoning for opposing and my concerns towards this [19:41:15] [discord] but your points are invalid [19:41:32] [discord] centralauth does provide more powerful tools, but they are easily managed through the control of global groups [19:41:46] [discord] All my messages come together [19:42:06] [discord] you only really have one point [19:42:21] [discord] which is that centralauth global locks are dangerous [19:42:30] [discord] to which I say, so is normal blocking lmao [19:42:35] [discord] No offense zippy but I wouldn't trust you with backend perms at all [19:42:56] [discord] you shirked the blame on me for checkuser data that I didn't even have access to [19:43:16] [discord] that's why you don't trust me [19:43:33] [discord] If you unblock me we can discuss this in dms [19:43:56] [discord] I did unblock you [19:44:03] [discord] globe is active? :1meep_shock: [19:44:05] [discord] I have left my reasoning on the discussion page [19:44:15] [discord] He's semi active [19:44:48] [discord] Cocopuff dmed me a few days ago about re-joining his wikifarm that he socks on 😭 [19:45:03] [discord] :shruganimated: he dmed me the other week telling me I was banned again [19:45:36] [discord] Anyways back to testwiki [19:45:44] [discord] I'm still opposed to this idea regardless [19:46:18] [discord] yes but your points don't appear valid [19:46:20] [discord] so :shruganimated: [19:47:49] [discord] It is difficult to discuss an issue when reasoning is not provided [19:48:03] [discord] like zippy could create one (or two) and we can mention the affiliation with those wikis on an affiliation page here on test wiki [19:48:35] [discord] I mean in terms of options, we either add a beta cluster, or add some like semi-content wikis [19:48:42] [discord] we probably don't even need 2 wikis [19:53:34] [discord] We are talking about adding a wiki that might not even be useful [19:53:57] [discord] a betawiki would be inherently useful [19:54:05] [discord] testing something is always a good idea [19:54:11] [discord] that's literally the point of a testwiki [19:54:16] [discord] and either way [19:54:23] [discord] CA doesn't "need" 2 wikis it's just useful to have 2 [19:55:36] [discord] We can have another wiki without CA or (2) a wok family [19:55:50] [discord] We can have another wiki without CA or (2) a wiki family [19:56:28] [discord] I believe you may be missing zippy’s point [19:56:37] [discord] The point is not necessarily needing a second wiki [19:56:44] [discord] it is the ability for users to tesy CA [19:57:58] [discord] I don't see the point in CA anyone can easily install it [19:58:01] [discord] Themselve [19:58:43] [discord] This is simply untrue 😭 [19:58:52] [discord] our two SAs cannot [19:59:15] [discord] and many people cannot even host their own wiki [20:08:06] [discord] Imo there isn't really anything to test on CA i [20:09:51] [discord] While skywiki testwiki has CA attached to it I wouldn't give anyone permissions to test it as it's connected to multiple wikis [20:10:35] [discord] In order for CA to be Useable for testing some code would need to be adjusted to restrict its usage [20:13:04] [discord] Which is exactly why it would be better to have it not on a farm [20:13:31] [discord] And obviously locking account would be reserved to stewards [20:13:59] [discord] Non-stewards could test renames on their own account, global role changes, and global blocking [20:15:47] [discord] your CA isn’t setup properly [20:16:10] [discord] renames on your own account isn’t really possible but we could have a renamer group [20:19:02] [discord] That would require modifications to the code [20:19:19] [discord] I was actually attempting to set up CA last night correctly but got a headache from it [20:19:29] [discord] it's not hard to do [20:19:33] [discord] once you know how to do it [20:19:42] [discord] it's just a burden because setting all the keys is a right pain in the ass [20:20:23] [discord] Renaming the databases was a straight pain in the ass [20:20:39] [discord] you don't need to rename dbs [20:20:44] [discord] :HUH: [20:32:03] [discord] Anyways to close this discussion I still remain opposed [21:44:31] [discord] ~~he still socks on it~~ [21:45:05] [discord] @justarandomamerican I saw that 💀 [21:46:34] [discord] Just found out what was going on with the nexovia account [21:46:51] [discord] Password was sent to the staff email not mine 🤦 [21:48:13] [discord] Username prevention [22:00:45] [discord] Nextovia sounds similar to Xaloria @justarandomamerican [22:01:44] [discord] Fixed [22:01:45] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120379200893890762/1295869245934014524/Schermafbeelding_2024-10-15_235207.png?ex=671037c8&is=670ee648&hm=7018704ef8a60e028a93252f1700c04566fa07ec8e7aa91f58f73bdbe90db26f& [22:01:47] [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120379200893890762/1295869246282137642/Schermafbeelding_2024-10-15_235733.png?ex=671037c8&is=670ee648&hm=93e2e67f24aeaf8031a9a178d3f15d050de469046f951872704db2a7190d5775&