[02:15:52] <Jarnsax>	 OI, what's with all the ontologies that have a a journal artice as their 'official website'?
[19:29:51] <Jarnsax>	 Anyone around for a simple question?
[19:32:11] <Jarnsax>	 P735 (given name) is meant for 'everything before their family name', right? Like, Q3273297
[19:32:11] <Jarnsax>	  “José Luis Sanz”
[19:32:11] <Jarnsax>	  should have P735 “José Luis”
[19:32:11] <Jarnsax>	  right?
[19:32:18] <Jarnsax>	 er...sorry
[19:32:53] <Jarnsax>	 and P735 left unset if we know there is an initial but not what it stands for...
[19:35:17] <Jarnsax>	 ooooh, lol... "double name" (Q1243157) is a thing...
[19:37:55] <Jarnsax>	 I found https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Names/Help, so I gues that answers that.
[19:39:48] <perryprog>	 Names are HARD
[19:40:03] <perryprog>	 I'd argue that's very much not a simple question :P
[19:40:12] <perryprog>	 I'm thankful there's a Wikiproject for that.
[20:10:51] <Jarnsax>	 Yeah, it's giving me the guidance I need.
[20:12:01] <Jarnsax>	 I'm learning how to do Web -> OO Calc -> Quickstatments by fixing the ~300 items that link to sciencedirect (including fixing/creating the peeples)
[20:12:27] <Jarnsax>	 <Jarnsax> OI, what's with all the ontologies that have a a journal artice as their 'official website'?
[20:16:48] <Jarnsax>	 perryprog, I think my general answer is going to be not mess with first names unless I actually know (after collecting various IDs) what seems to be their full name... obetween ORCID, Publons, CienciaVitae, and Google Schoolar they usually say what the initial means somewhere.
[20:17:09] <Jarnsax>	 (and it's a 'western name' so I have a clue, lol)
[20:17:29] <perryprog>	 What's worse is birthdates that conflict on different RS's
[20:18:59] <Jarnsax>	 This.... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jitrixis/nameGuzzler.js
[20:19:10] <Jarnsax>	 I like that.... lots.
[20:19:52] <Jarnsax>	 the 'copy their name to all Latin script languages' (once you have stuff like accents right)
[20:22:36] <Jarnsax>	 (not used it yet, just found it from that project page, but...boss)
[20:24:42] <Jarnsax>	 My 'longer term' idea is to use the same method to 'eat' the NASA Astrophysics Data System via BibTex exports.
[20:26:27] <Jarnsax>	 Not farm the whole thing (nuts) but things like conference proceedings
[20:27:10] <Jarnsax>	 http://cdsads.u-strasbg.fr/abs_doc/conferences.html
[20:32:56] <Jarnsax>	 Do you know if there is a bot that 'fixes' DOIs? Like, where it's the whole url, or, apparently, making them uppercase
[23:14:59] <Guest34>	 Hello
[23:24:49] <Guest34>	 does anyone here talk?
[23:40:08] <Jarnsax>	 Very rarely
[23:40:21] <Jarnsax>	 Sup?
[23:41:22] <Guest34>	 wanted to know if this is the right place to restore a page that has been deleted
[23:42:15] <Jarnsax>	 Like, an actual 'page' on wikidata, not an item?
[23:43:02] <Guest34>	 item
[23:43:23] <mahir256>	 what item do you have in mind?
[23:43:34] <Guest34>	 its a person 
[23:44:04] <Guest34>	 listed on IMDB 
[23:44:16] <Jarnsax>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard is the place to ask onwiki, but you might have found someone who can do it.
[23:44:27] <mahir256>	 being on IMDb is usually not enough to warrant undeletion
[23:44:48] <Jarnsax>	 Who is the person?
[23:44:51] <Guest34>	 also an author on Amazon and Barnes & Noble
[23:44:59] <mahir256>	 similarly
[23:45:08] <mahir256>	 since you can get your own way into both of those platforms
[23:45:48] <mahir256>	 preferably if there were a database this person was in, that they could not have added themselves to (meaning someone else unrelated to that person had added them), then we could talk more
[23:46:21] <Guest34>	 the item was here - Q108284821
[23:47:00] <mahir256>	 nope, not undeleting that, goodbye
[23:47:52] <Jarnsax>	 Oook, that was interesting
[23:48:51] <Guest34>	 is it good to be on wikidata as an item?
[23:49:52] <Jarnsax>	 Apparently not, from what he said. I can't see it.
[23:50:42] <Jarnsax>	 (looks at logs)
[23:51:07] <Guest34>	 how about this one - Q108102254
[23:52:54] <Jarnsax>	 Looks, looks at imdb. Yeah, no. Harshad Ghodke does not meet the (amazingly low) WikiData notability policy
[23:54:37] <Guest34>	 hmm... I have seen people with YouTube channels have an item on Wikidata so thought being on IMDB would be considered notable
[23:56:26] <Jarnsax>	 Yeah, the wikipedia 'otherstuff' applies... the real 'notability rule' (at least, that I think most people rely on) is #3.
[23:56:47] <Jarnsax>	 "It fulfills a structural need, for example: it is needed to make statements made in other items more useful."
[23:57:55] <Jarnsax>	 Like, I just created an item for some random research group at a university in Spain, so I could add the affiliation to authors of the articles they publish.
[23:58:53] <Guest34>	 how about  Q108102254 - he is mentioned on lots of websites
[23:59:04] <Jarnsax>	 Problem with IMDB is it's not generally considered a 'serious reference'