[02:02:48] so, lol, inception and dissolution can't be more than 10,000 years apart.... [16:01:48] Hi, I'm not sure if I'm in the right place. I'm researching digital object identifiers; my employment is working on a Digital Commons for our university professor publications and we're trying to decide between DOIs, ORCids, and Wiki Object IDs (or all), and I can't seem to find information about how to create/register Wiki IDs. As you can imagine, [16:01:48] when I google "wiki ids" I get bounced to quite a few pages. Are you able to point me in the right direction [16:17:04] Guest70: they get created when you create an item [16:17:38] So they can't be applied to external documents persay [16:17:55] not without creating a Wikidata item first [16:18:20] Gotcha. Okay, thank you! [21:26:09] Hi, is there a way to "filter" articles according to the languages they are available in? I'm looking for a quick way to find articles which are available in English but non-existant in Hebrew (or vice-versa) [21:26:47] RedDurian54: you mean on wikipedia? [21:26:51] Yes. [21:27:01] I've directed them here from #wikipedia-en-help. [21:27:15] yes [21:27:32] all articles? [21:30:42] yes, but as a list, like a search results page... [21:31:34] preferably two different lists - one for those available in Hebrew but not in English and another list for those available in English but not in Hebrew [21:38:43] hmm, should be easy enough, but it's a slow query [21:38:59] sooooomething like https://w.wiki/45En [21:42:08] I tried running it and it said Query timeout limit reached without any results... [21:42:16] yeah [21:44:16] can it be limited to category members? there's also https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:MySQL_queries if it helps [21:44:40] if you limited to a certain type of item it would probably work [21:44:43] maybe someone here knows how to log in or what query to run [21:44:56] type being 'article in (Main)' probably [21:46:17] I don't mind limiting the list to a certain category if that helps... I just don't really know how to do use this Query builder [21:53:06] ok well this kinda works: https://w.wiki/45Er [21:53:48] it's only for instances of universities or subclasses of universties [21:54:06] swap "en" and "he" for the inverse case [21:54:42] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query may be able to help you, there are people there who know how to massage queries to work magically [21:55:46] you can actually take the limit off for universities [21:56:00] https://w.wiki/45Es [21:56:26] 12135 results [21:57:32] and if I want a different category and not universities? how do I do that? [21:58:20] and also - when I click the results I get the wikidata page and not the wikipedia page [21:58:25] change Q3918 [21:58:59] https://w.wiki/45Eu <-- with article link [22:01:55] and how do I know what to change it into? [22:02:59] search on wikidata [22:03:01] e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=airplane&title=Special:Search [22:03:13] airplane -> Q197 [22:03:29] e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-1 [22:03:32] enWP, no heWP [22:06:41] i asked at RaQ: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query#Items_with_sitelinks_to_one_wikipedia_and_not_another [22:06:56] so I need to search the Q index in the wikidata search, then copy it into the query, and then download the result list, for any different category I want [22:07:16] well, assuming you can't do it all at one [22:07:19] s/one/once/ [22:07:38] which maybe you can, but it might need some magic syntax to make the query faster [22:07:59] what are you trying to acheive? [22:09:04] Well I was hoping to achieve a single list I can have my students choose from... [22:10:31] I'm an English teacher and I want to give my students various options for assignments - I thought one option could be to translate a Wikipedia article from a list (so that they won't take one that already exists in both languages) [22:11:18] right, well assuming no-one at RaQ knows a better way (which they probably do, so stay tuned there)... [22:11:26] yes, it is useful stats for translators. especially if article size is small. and maybe sort by number of page visits by users of the target language (whose browser sends Hebrew lang, but they're viewing an english page which has no Hebrew translation) [22:12:09] then yes, choose a set of likely subject IDs (e.g. Q197 for aeroplanes) and take a hundred results [22:12:13] there is a translation tool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_translation_tool and i think it would be cool to add results of such query to the tool too. as a suggestion what to translate [22:14:51] I don't want them to actually submit the translations, I don't expect them to match the site's requirements for translating values... I think I'll just choose a few categories (animals, countries, foods) and run the query for those [22:15:23] you can combine subjects too [22:16:15] so you can get one big query as long as it doesn't time out [22:18:18] https://w.wiki/45Ez <- aeroplanes AND universities [22:21:00] i doubt there a lot of countries with no hewiki article :-D [22:21:31] ok, actually there are 200 [22:21:32] inductiveload you'd be surprised [22:21:53] nothing current tho [22:22:32] It doesn't have to be current for them to translate it :) [22:22:49] https://w.wiki/45F2 FYI [22:23:19] yeah, I did that one [22:25:02] I got animals, foods, countries, politicians, activists, art, technology, and music... any more ideas for "fun" categories? [22:25:11] RedDurian54: may i ask you whats your on-wiki username. i would like to stay in touch. (i'm Gryllida on wiki) [22:25:27] maybe 'software' [22:25:31] I don't have an on-wiki username [22:25:42] languages? [22:25:51] could you please register? as a course teacher, you can get access to some tools to manage your class members [22:26:08] also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library [22:28:18] my class won't be registering or becoming members so my management of them will be "offline" [22:29:01] hm, afaik you need a login to create pages [22:29:06] but it's ok [22:29:42] i just wanted a means to contact you if there's new software features available for testing. if you dont want to register, some other means of contact - if you want this - is fine too [22:30:11] as I said - they won't be creating pages, just reading the ones that aren't available in their language and translating them (with a pen and paper, not online) [22:30:56] You could contact me via Email, but I prefer not to write it on this public chat [22:31:10] so you don't mean them to add these translations to wikipedias? [22:31:26] and the above checks are just to ensure they can't plagiarise from an existing translation [22:32:27] no, their translations probably won't be good enough to add... their English is not adequate... [22:32:42] and yes, the checks are to ensure plagiarism [22:33:34] nice [22:33:42] gry could I send you a private message with my contact info for new features available for testing? [22:39:15] Reply on RaQ: https://w.wiki/45F9 [22:41:15] inductiveload does this query return results of all categories? [22:42:03] Yes [22:42:21] that's amazing! thank you! [22:42:47] But it's limited to a certain number (it checks 100k enwiki articles and discards those with hewiki articles) [22:43:02] Thank Tagishsimon at RaQ [22:45:14] is 100k the max amount of articles without timeout limit reach? [22:50:09] I think it's just a generic big number [22:50:13] You can experiment [22:54:19] well I tried 150k and it worked, and I'm trying 200k now but I think it's stuck [23:00:58] 200k is too big [23:04:54] I guess 150k is the limit [23:05:00] still good tho [23:06:54] thank you