[11:12:07] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q147824 [11:12:08] this is wrong, right? [11:12:20] should be subclass of tree? not instance of? [11:13:30] honestly, Wikidata makes me doubt not only my English, but also my fundamental understanding of logic, the universe and metaphysics in general [11:13:43] which is kinda fun in a way XD [11:15:54] i get why people write such huge, complicated books on philosophy now [11:18:59] I feel like that should be subclass of, yeah [11:19:08] but I know some people have strong opinions on taxa being subclasses of other taxa [11:19:20] so I’m not sure I would be confident editing that ^^ [11:19:41] i mean, tree isn't a taxon [11:20:37] most of the rest of `?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q10884.` are actual concrete tree items [11:20:46] as in, you can visit that actual tree [11:22:33] yeah, I remember a few items for trees that own themselves [11:22:38] or moon trees [11:22:48] and fair point about tree not being a taxon ^^ [11:23:20] "Picea omorika" definitely "is a" taxon [11:23:42] specifically "is a" species, but IDK is that's somehow contentious [11:24:12] hm, tree (Q10884) does have “this taxon is a source of” 🤔 [11:24:41] looks like the Done Thing (TM) is "is a" → taxon, 'taxon rank' → species [11:24:58] which seems odd to me, but w/e [11:27:06] "this taxon is a source of": why is that not just "source of"? [11:27:39] so many properties seem like they are "bundles" [11:28:13] like that one is a "bundle" of the ideas of "P31 -> taxon" + "is a source of" [11:30:17] i was going to say "like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q102078" but that has no property linking to aluminium...so..yeah [11:31:14] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q663 has “made from material: bauxite” [11:34:46] hmm and taxa products have "natural product of taxon" [11:34:59] ok, find whatever, I don't care that much [11:35:26] * inductiveload puts the snak down and steps away from the entity* [11:39:39] all I was doing was trying to invent a SPARQL query for an example :-\ [19:08:43] inductiveload: yeah, that should be subclass [19:09:38] Sweet, I'm not going mad [19:09:39] Well [19:09:48] Not in this particular area [19:10:21] :D [19:12:31] What happens when I try to work out SPARQL, now, that can only really be described in Enochian [19:13:13] I think even Cthulu draws the line at SPARQL hints [19:32:31] if you need help, feel free to ask :) [19:53:05] Thanks :D [19:53:13] I think I'm slowly getting it for the basics [19:53:34] Though actually mostly it's a battle against them query timeout demons [20:16:05] limit is your friend there [20:18:17] But I want allllll the dataaaaaaa [20:18:22] oh yeah, those are a pain :D I've done enough queries that I have a good idea whether something I'm writing will be slow or not, but sometimes it's just utterly silly [20:19:31] like when I try to combine two queries which, on their own, take less than a second, but together? *query service makes confused noises, then times out* [20:20:00] Here's a good one [20:20:01] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query#Slow_when_in_a_subquery,_but_fast_otherwise(?) [20:20:19] Query by itself: milliseconds [20:20:45] Put in a subquery: nope.jpg [20:21:34] When tagishsimon punts, you know it's a weird one [20:24:34] (btw I know the query is wrong, as it will return a bunch of cultivars, which are instances of both subclasses of taxon and plants (= organism)) [20:30:57] But somehow wdt:P31 is slower than wdt:P31/wdt:279* [20:40:07] oh now, it's working now, must have gotten it wrong earlier [20:41:10] some kind of magical caching going on - the first takes 3s, then it's ~15ms [20:41:17] https://w.wiki/49FH [20:41:31] so you can add 100 each time to the limit and it stays at 3s [20:42:02] 🪄 [20:42:19] but dare to add 200 and it times out on you [20:43:39] hmm, actually maybe it's just caching the whole query [20:43:46] boooring [21:51:17] darn, model organism is also tripping it up [22:54:03] anyone know what it takes to make literiabot work? [22:54:09] *listeria [22:54:19] as in, trigger it on a certain wiki