[14:30:34] yesterday I spent too much time trying to figure out how to request the creation of a new property before I hit on the correct search terms to reveal that P651 already exists [14:31:25] so I'm asking - does anyone know if we already have a property for this one? [14:31:25] https://fbc.pionier.net.pl/ [18:39:17] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9584 (Honda the company) is instance of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42855995 (fabricator), which seems to be intended to be used for specific humans, not companies? am I missing something, or is this a mistake? [18:43:57] (noticed because there is a new Openstreetmap QA tool which complains about wikidata attributes being instance of a living organism as being suspect) [18:44:18] sounds like a mistake [18:45:23] most likely someone just using autocomplete and seeing fabricator and assuming that's https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q786820 [18:45:26] a conceputal one [18:45:31] conceptual [18:48:48] though also wondering if it's also Q42855995 (fabricator, the person) that's wrong considering it's an instance of Q13235160 (manufacturer, individual or company) [18:59:44] seems to happen in quite a few cases with brands actually. Q62391719 (Multiópticas, Spanish optician and eyewear retail chain) also is a "living thing", I guess because Q1996635 (optician) is both subclass of "shop" and "eyecare professional" (which then leads to living thing in the end I guess?). fun. [19:00:20] (this tool btw: https://twitter.com/osmose_qa/status/1543633291697422337 ) [19:00:51] I suspect there could be better representation of "this is both an individual-thing and a organization-thing" [19:00:59] (or "this is /either/") [19:01:36] "Optician: professional providing eyeglasses" "Optician: business providing the services of opticians" [19:02:16] But I feel like in any categorization DAG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed_acyclic_graph), you're always going to end up with issues like this, where you have a category tree that looks like this: Adolf Hitler → Adolf Hitler impersonators → Adolf Hitler interpreters → Derek Jacobi → Films starring Derek Jacobi → Gosford Park → Ivor Novello → Ivor Novello Awards → Ivor Novello Award winners → Beyoncé Knowles → [19:02:16] Films starring Beyoncé Knowles → The Lion King (2019 film) → Film locations of The Lion King (2019) → Namib Desert → Namib-Naukluft National Park → Dead Vlei [19:02:18] (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dead_Vlei_Tree_central.jpg?fastcci_from=649752&c1=649752&d1=15&s=200&a=fqv) [19:03:27] Which makes in this case a location in a park in a desert in Namibia a descendant of, well... a lot of things. [19:03:48] (Probably should've picked a different thing than "Hitler" for that example; sorry. It was unfortunately the first thing that came to mind for demonstrating that.) [19:04:32] I'll try contact the people making that validator tool that they probably need some additional heuristic [19:05:51] I'm amused that Q666 is just "666" [19:06:02] and that Q1488 is an executed Nazi collaborator [19:06:18] Q42 is douglas adams [19:06:21] any others? [19:12:51] Does https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q420 count? [19:13:53] since it's "biology", I don't think so. [19:14:37] I'm wondering about entries whose q-number meshes with their conceptual meaning (which was presumably deliberate) [19:17:10] Biology is what made 420 though!