[14:53:19] <dob1>	 it seems impossible but I don't find the gol property for any soccer player
[15:02:42] <phschafft>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6509 ?
[15:02:46] <dob1>	 and I am not able to select a specific entity
[15:02:59] <dob1>	 I want to select cristiano ronaldo
[15:03:38] <dob1>	 phschafft: yes I found them but none of the succer players has this property, they have goal for clubs
[15:03:42] <dob1>	 from what I see
[15:03:43] <phschafft>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11571#P6509
[15:05:05] <dob1>	 not right
[15:05:36] <phschafft>	 what do you mean with 'not right'?
[15:05:42] <dob1>	 how many goals has scrored Cristiano Ronaldo in his career ?
[15:05:45] <dob1>	 *scored
[15:06:54] <phschafft>	 according to that data 2 on 12 August 2014, and 7 between 18 December 2008 and  16 December 2017
[15:07:16] <dob1>	 it's for sure incorrect
[15:07:43] <dob1>	 you have to go to member of sport team, then look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1351  and then sum them
[15:07:47] <phschafft>	 then feel free to check the referenced sources and make a correction if found to be wrong.
[15:09:32] <dob1>	 I want to try with aggregate sum
[15:12:24] <phschafft>	 maybe that data is just not there.
[15:21:35] <dob1>	 to be honest I am still stuck at    ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q937857.
[15:21:47] <dob1>	 that gives nothing
[15:23:02] <dob1>	 this neither   ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q937857.
[15:23:11] <dob1>	 ops ?item wdt:p106 wd:Q937857.
[15:23:22] <phschafft>	 yes.
[15:23:29] <phschafft>	 P106 is the correct one.
[15:23:45] <dob1>	 it gives nothing
[15:24:04] <phschafft>	 P106 not p106
[15:24:20] <dob1>	 ok nice thanks
[15:28:24] <dob1>	 then     FILTER(?item in (wd:Q11571)).   to select cristiano ronaldo... but nothing
[15:31:39] <phschafft>	   VALUES ?item {wd:Q11571}
[15:31:54] <phschafft>	 generally avoid using FILTER() when possible.
[15:32:40] <dob1>	 ok but what's wrong in my condition ?  even  ?item = wd:Q11571   doesn't work
[15:40:02] <phschafft>	 I think it needs a cast or something.
[15:51:39] <dob1>	 I am stuck at this https://w.wiki/9dZn  I don't know why it doesn't work
[15:52:21] <dob1>	 solved :)
[15:52:50] <dob1>	 I missed a P
[15:55:21] <dob1>	 I think I did it: number of goals in career by Cristiano Ronaldo https://w.wiki/9dZq
[16:20:14] <phschafft>	 :)
[21:29:57] <dob1>	   ?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q11424.       wd:Q41163 wdt:P175 ?item.     all the films of Al Pacino     why this doesn't work?
[21:38:36] <phschafft>	 ?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q11424.       wd:Q41163 wdt:P175 ?item.
[21:38:37] <phschafft>	 ?
[21:38:41] <phschafft>	 em.
[21:39:00] <phschafft>	 ?item (wdt:P31/(wdt:P279*)) wd:Q11424; wdt:P161 wd:Q41163.
[21:39:07] <phschafft>	 copy and paste didn't work.
[21:40:34] <dob1>	 I was able to do it in this way
[21:40:39] <dob1>	 but I don't get why I can't do the reverse
[21:41:03] <dob1>	 you are telling  ?iteam has as actor Al Pacino
[21:41:15] <dob1>	 I was saying Al Pacino was an actor of ?item
[21:41:20] <dob1>	 it's not the same?
[21:41:57] <phschafft>	 no.
[21:42:18] <phschafft>	 wikidata uses a data model that is more one-directional (but you can ask both ways).
[21:42:44] <dob1>	 it's not simple
[21:43:50] <dob1>	 wd:Q41163 wdt:P175 ?item
[21:43:53] <dob1>	 it's not wrong
[21:46:26] <markh>	 That's not what P175 is for.  It is for a role, like Batman P175 Adam West and Batman P175 Michael Keaton.
[21:48:07] <dob1>	 so what to use?
[21:48:21] <markh>	 film P161 actor
[21:49:03] <dob1>	 no
[21:51:06] <dob1>	 you can do film p161 actor
[21:51:15] <dob1>	 but no  actor p161 film
[21:51:54] <markh>	 Why would you need actor P161 film when you can just write film P161 actor?
[21:52:37] <dob1>	 I want to understand if I can do the other way
[21:53:42] <markh>	 No, why would you need to?  You can write ?item wdt:P161 wd:XXX just as easily as wd:XXX wdt:P161 ?item.
[21:53:47] <dob1>	 find all the films of Al Pacino, my logic:   find item that are films or subclass of films,   al pacino is an actor of this item
[21:53:54] <dob1>	 but this doesn't work
[21:54:11] <dob1>	 you have to do find item that are films or subclass of films, iteam has in the cast Al Pacino
[21:55:11] <markh>	 ?item wdt:P161 wd:Q41163
[21:55:17] <markh>	 what is difficult about that?
[21:55:28] <dob1>	 it is what I did
[21:56:19] <dob1>	 nervmind just some experiments on queries
[21:56:47] <markh>	 Works fine for me.
[21:57:04] <dob1>	 it works but you don't get my point
[21:57:08] <dob1>	 I was trying to do the other path
[22:03:52] <phschafft>	 I think this is a misconception on how the data structure is modeled.
[22:04:19] <phschafft>	 properties are not one way streets.
[22:04:51] <phschafft>	 you can freely navigate them both ways.
[22:05:21] <phschafft>	 it is just that they have only one name (not a name and an inverse name).
[22:05:24] <dob1>	 it doesn't seem
[22:06:14] <phschafft>	 and having an extra propery that is a inverse property wouldn't add much as you would then have two equal two-way streets in parallel.