[00:06:58] * bd808 off [10:20:52] neat, my first spicerack patch was merged [10:22:50] now just need to add support for using a proxy to reach an alertmanager instance, and then figure out something for authentication on the metricsinfra side, and then wmcs-cookbooks will be able to silence metricsinfra instance alerts :D [10:38:40] taavi: nice one! [11:08:30] andrewbogott: cloudinfra-cloudvps-puppetserver-1.cloudinfra.eqiad1.wikimedia.cloud is still not in PCC :( [11:12:14] * dcaro lunch [13:38:56] folks I won't make our meeting today, still feeling a little under the weather [13:40:06] topranks: ok! We have a meeting conflict so I'll cancel the network sync. [13:40:22] cc XioNoX ^ -- unless you have specific things you want to talk about [13:40:54] andrewbogott: nah it's fine for me [13:40:58] thx for the ping [13:42:36] andrewbogott: can I delete the puppet 5 server/db in tools and toolsbeta? [13:42:52] sure [13:43:06] cool [13:43:09] btw do you know if those projects are syncing to pcc correctly? [13:43:30] let's see [13:45:31] the facts files on disk on pcc-db1001 were last updated yesterday, so yes [13:47:09] great, so the puppetdb syncing is working [14:04:13] btullis: are you coming to the sync? Right now it's just wmcs folks, no one to sync with [14:07:16] brouberol: same question [14:08:58] oops, sorry, inc [16:11:04] today I discovered that there's a standard `application/problem` xd https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7807 [16:21:06] dcaro: I very much object to the edit you made at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Toolforge_nav&diff=0&oldid=2137487 [16:21:53] Hiding the Kubernetes page is not helping in my opinion. There are things documented there that are not documented anywhere else [16:22:13] things like the quota request process and the default limits [16:22:30] bd808: the quota request process is also on webservice and jobs pages [16:22:37] (both linked in the nav bar) [16:23:03] and (imo) the main entry points for users [16:23:59] are there any other things I might have missed that come to your mind? [16:25:03] I'm not happy with https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Toolforge/Kubernetes&diff=0&oldid=2147402 either honestly. I am fine with a "use at your own risk" statement, but you killed a lot of nicely formatted, useful information. [16:26:10] bd808 all that info is in the webservice or jobs pages, feel free to reformat those to your liking [16:26:36] or add there anything missing (if I removed something that I did not add on the others by mistake) [16:26:38] I personally do not want to hunt through the registry to find the latest set of published containers [16:27:01] run `toolforge jobs images` [16:27:16] that's the only place you´ll find the latest set of usable containers [16:27:28] and know that that the list probably mostly sort of applies to webservice [16:28:18] `toolforge webservice --help` for that one [16:28:18] They were in the "Available container types" section of the k8s page via taavi's nice template+module+bot system [16:28:43] feel free to restore that template on the webservice page if you want [16:28:56] I can't share the list from a terminal session with folks easily [16:29:38] you are obviously making opinionated help content changes. I don't want to wheel war [16:29:55] there's a task to remove that page, that I did not create [16:30:51] where should we put any help on using `kubectl`? [16:30:54] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T347888 [16:31:12] bd808: imo that goes there (and that I left there) [16:31:24] on the delisted page then? [16:31:30] yes [16:31:56] maybe I can rephrase then, how will people find this information? [16:31:57] delisted from the global navigation bar, still linked from a few other pages [16:33:28] any of https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Help:Toolforge/Kubernetes, it's just not meant for regular users, only for power users [16:34:22] I again disagree on that point, but I'll take my complaints to the back of the queue. [16:35:00] I just saw you walk someone into `kubectl get pods` because there is no replacement for that yet [16:35:06] I guess that's the main point :) [16:35:19] yes [16:35:30] "yet" being the keyword there [16:36:06] and it not being a regular or frequent use case [16:37:59] (though that bumped T311917 and T315735 on my priority list) [16:37:59] T311917: [webservice,toolforge-cli] Make `webservice shell` a standalone tool - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T311917 [16:38:00] T315735: Shell pods continue running after ssh session exits - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T315735 [16:43:27] that list of images was not complete either :/ [16:45:34] okok, golang does not exist anymore xd [16:47:48] bd808: there you go: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Web#Latest_supported_images [17:11:04] * dcaro ogg [17:11:09] * dcaro off xd [17:43:16] * bd808 lunch [17:44:04] Folks can sprinkle https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Use_Kubernetes_directly_at_own_risk around as needed. [19:22:47] thanks