[11:13:31] * dcaro lunch [13:00:42] dcaro, taavi, are you ready (or not ready) for me to upgrade cert-manager in toolforge? [13:00:56] * andrewbogott is combining all the scary things into one day [13:01:40] xd, not sure that's the less painful way of doing scary things [13:01:51] andrewbogott: sure, it worked in toolsbeta right? [13:02:04] It worked as far as I know :/ [13:02:38] Passed tests and didn't choke when I patched the cert with your pasted snippet [13:02:57] sounds good enough to me, it did reissue correctly right? [13:03:40] I think so! but it would reassure me if you looked to. [13:04:25] okok, give me a sec to look [13:04:29] ty [13:12:40] andrewbogott: LGTM [13:13:47] great! Stand by... [13:14:04] sudo cookbook wmcs.toolforge.component.deploy --cluster-name tools --git-branch certmanager --run-all-tests --component cert-manager --task-id T408786 [13:14:05] T408786: Upgrade cert-manager past 1.15 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T408786 [13:17:25] that looks ok [13:20:27] fyi. created T434197 xd, would have been nice to have it before this deploy [13:20:28] T434197: [toolforge-deploy,functional-tests] add a test for cert-manager - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T434197 [13:37:28] ok, it's rolled out. Do we want to run that same 'kubectl patch certificate' test here or is that asking for trouble in prod? [13:42:26] we can try yes [13:43:20] ok, same command as in toolsbeta? [13:44:05] yep, samesame [13:46:29] ok, yep, seems fine. [13:46:32] Now I get to close a ticket! [13:52:06] \o/ [13:52:12] thanks andrewbogott :) [14:14:48] thilp: I'm trying helix and I'm liking it so far xd [14:16:06] it still has some rough edges but for a universal nvim replacement I didn’t expect to adopt it so quickly myself! [15:00:12] bliviero: re your question in the chat at the last minute: no, I don't think the usual process of deprecations and other migrations is documented anywhere else than the minds of us who've done them in the past. I could certainly write a short wikitech page (unless andrewbogott was doing that already, per the Monday meeting?) [15:02:07] I have not written anything on the topic recently. [15:02:28] i would be happy to contribute to that [15:02:30] I still have vague intentions but won't mind if someone beats me to it. [15:06:29] I will write a first draft and let y'all edit it further then [15:28:21] ty! [15:39:10] Here are the drafts for cloud-announce and IRC: [15:39:10] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qp1x23-kiHTVnpN-uWR092FcwSMROCmSyL8N_gWuQKE/edit?tab=t.m7lai13xnnpt [15:42:10] komla: this looks great to me. [15:48:25] any IRC messages should just be links to other venues, you shouldn't send long multi-line messages here [15:48:37] andrewbogott: bliviero: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Taavi/Deprecation_playbook [15:49:49] Noted [17:11:19] bd808: you might also be interested in giving feedback on https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Taavi/Deprecation_playbook. at this point it's mostly an attempt to but existing things we've noticed to work into words. [17:17:20] * dcaro off [17:17:33] cya on tuesday! [17:59:12] hi komla thank you for the draft- i added a direct link to the cloud announce archive for the IRC message in case that's helpful? your call. looks good otherwise [20:00:17] taavi, here's the revised catalyst quota ticket awaiting your +1 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T432617 [20:35:17] taavi: I think it looks like a good place to start from. Some guidance on how to write a good News page and a good announcement email would probably be helpful too. [20:35:49] I feel like those are things we have talked about in the past, but I don't remember if we ever tried to write them down. [20:37:16] I favor the 1) what is changing, 2) when it is changing, 3) what should I do, 4) FAQ pattern for News pages. https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/News/2020_Toolforge.org_domain_introduction is a good example I think. [20:38:43] Email is really the same, but with fewer words, links to the verbose wiki page(s), and a short TL;DR list to start things off. [20:39:11] andrewbogott: +1, although that request is in the "you and two +1s from others" territory. [20:39:59] Oh yeah, it's not 2x instances but it is 2x everything else... [20:40:09] bd808: indeed. https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Taavi/cloud-announce is an attempt for the how to write a good cloud-announce email page, which is also linked from the new deprecation page [20:53:35] andrewbogott: would a +1 from me count? or do we need someone who can double check capacity with expert eyes to vote on the quota increase [20:53:46] yep, that counts :) [20:54:40] andrewbogott: ok done [20:57:33] bliviero: Thanks. That's helpful