[00:05:02] In the meantime, grab the wmf guys on #wikimedia-cloud and see if they can sort it out for you [00:05:31] oops, wrong window... [00:05:33] where can i ask for help from other toolforge users? my php tool is in use by many pages and is crashing [00:06:00] is there an on-wiki page somewhere that is read by many users? or a mailing list? [00:06:55] gry: there is the mailing list [00:09:02] technically https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Portal:Toolforge but you can see it's about one a year [00:09:05] Platonides: how do I join ? [00:10:07] gry: https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/cloud.lists.wikimedia.org/ [00:10:09] see https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/cloud.lists.wikimedia.org/ [00:10:50] It is separate login from wmf wikis, or it is wikitech login? [00:11:40] gry: the login there is specific to lists.wikimedia.org. It is not connected to any existing accounts you may have. [00:12:25] gry: you can fill out the form at the bottom to request being subscribed without necessarily having to create an account, I think [00:12:59] not sure if that's still possible in mailman3 [00:13:13] "You can also subscribe without creating an account. If you wish to do so, please use the form below." [00:13:18] even if it is, it's weird that you end up being subscribed with no account [00:13:29] it's unintuitive [00:13:44] you can make an account at any time. if the email address matches existing subscriptions they end up connected [00:13:56] I am member and posting on lists and have never logged in on that web UI as my personal user [00:14:24] only as admin when I wanted to help with some admin task [00:14:40] bd808: you can, but it's unintuitive [00:15:13] you need to *create* an account so that it recognises you to *unsubscribe* from the mailing lists you belong to [00:15:27] Platonides: I guess you only want it if there is something you dont like about defaults [00:15:33] oh,ok [00:15:38] it is consistent with their internal working, but not intuitive :) [00:16:06] mailman and intuitive have not gone together in an version IMO :) [00:16:15] *any [00:16:38] xD [00:16:52] I wouldn't be so harsh [00:17:12] to add more to this: this _should_ also all work by email only..like send a request to be subscribed directly to the list [00:17:13] users have a web UI [00:17:24] gry: please do signup for the cloud@ list! We really would like all Toolforge users to subscribe to it or to the read-only cloud-announce@ list. [00:17:27] compare it with a pure mail ml [00:19:30] not even sure Platonides, would it really have been harder if the original answer from us would have been something like "oh, just mail subcribe-request@cloud.lists" [00:20:22] for signing up, perhaps not [00:20:44] but for having the archives available... [00:21:32] fair enough :) a good answer is "you want a user account if the list has private archives and you want to read archives" while it does not matter for lists with public archives [00:22:11] or for changing your user preferences, including unsubscribing [00:22:36] there are many workflows, pick the one you like :) [00:22:40] that unsubscribe part sounds a bit like a bug, yea [00:23:24] it _may_ be possible to unsubscribe by email only [00:23:32] I know it's confusing [00:23:39] hook it up to Okta.. jk [05:52:49] 16:17:12 to add more to this: this _should_ also all work by email only..like send a request to be subscribed directly to the list <-- emailing cloud-subscribe@lists.wikimedia.org should work just fine [12:34:07] !log admin manually install prometheus-openstack-exporter on cloudcontrol1005 (T302050) [12:34:11] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Admin/SAL [12:34:11] T302050: prometheus-openstack-exporter in Bullseye - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T302050 [14:32:48] oauth has stopped working for my tool, bot the dev and production instances [14:33:19] https://spi-tools.toolforge.org/spi/ and https://spi-tools-dev.toolforge.org/spi/ [14:33:28] is something up? [14:33:30] or down? [14:33:53] s/bot/both/ a couple lines above [14:41:48] roy649: I can use oauth from my tool (wm-what.toolforg.org), what is the error you are getting? [14:48:21] dcaro: continued on #wikimedia-operations [14:49:00] ack [14:50:01] roy649: the `toolforge` library https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/toolforge_library#Set_proper_user-agent might be useful in future [17:25:55] !log admin in-place upgrade of cloudcontrol1004 to bullseye -- T281276 [17:25:59] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Admin/SAL [17:25:59] T281276: Upgrade cloud-vps openstack hosts to Debian 'Bullseye' - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T281276 [20:07:57] !log toolhub Updated to demo server to 36ad4e2 [20:08:01] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Toolhub/SAL [21:30:07] !log tools.mabot Grid jobs to use -release buster [21:30:10] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools.mabot/SAL [21:30:48] !log admin rebooting cloudcontrol1003 because rabbit is freaking out [21:30:50] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Admin/SAL [21:57:40] !log leaving cloudcontrol1003 downtimed with disabled puppet for the weekend. Everything there should be stable and fine save rabbit which needs an upgrade. [21:57:41] andrewbogott: Unknown project "leaving" [21:57:49] !log admin leaving cloudcontrol1003 downtimed with disabled puppet for the weekend. Everything there should be stable and fine save rabbit which needs an upgrade. [21:57:55] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Admin/SAL