[08:01:44] !log tools.stewardbots Restarted SULWatcher out of IRC [08:01:46] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools.stewardbots/SAL [08:45:21] !log tools rebooting tools-sgeexec-10-22 due to nfs lockup [08:45:24] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools/SAL [09:50:02] there's a critical for a cephosd host FYI [09:50:14] see -operations [09:50:34] godog: that's not ours, probably data engineering [09:50:42] godog: ours are prefixed cloud- [09:50:59] arturo: ah you are quite right, my bad! [09:51:05] thank you, will ping dse [09:51:15] no problem, thanks for the check, appreciated [12:47:23] !log paws move db to pvc T341132 [12:47:26] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Paws/SAL [12:47:26] T341132: Put the PAWS db inside the PAWS cluster? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341132 [13:50:37] !log tools.lexeme-forms deployed d7fea069ba (l10n updates: pl) [13:50:39] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools.lexeme-forms/SAL [14:06:17] !log paws terraform fmt T341784 [14:06:32] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Paws/SAL [14:06:32] T341784: Add terraform formatter - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341784 [18:36:37] !log tools.stewardbots stewardbots/StewardBot/manage.sh restart # RC reader stuck [19:51:36] I notice the contact info was recently edited and REMOVED without any description of where to on this wiki dev page edit [19:52:57] * bd808 assumes sa2 was lost [19:54:10] I notice the contact info was recently edited and REMOVED without any description of where to on this wiki dev page edit [19:54:10] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Cloud_Services_communication&action=history [19:54:11] specifically [19:54:11] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Cloud_Services_communication&oldid=2038139 [19:54:43] … hm. I seem to be having IRC Connection issues. [19:55:24] are you complaining that https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Cloud_Services_communication_content is transcluded without an edit link? [19:55:49] (that page should probably should be in templatespace) [19:57:01] No please check this link to see what was deleted from the page: [19:57:13] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Cloud_Services_communication&oldid=2038139 [19:57:40] Oh— I guess I am unsure what you meant in your reply. [19:58:23] it wasn't removed, just moved [19:58:51] there is only a minor difference between the template and the text that was previously on the page https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ComparePages?page1=&rev1=1983831&page2=Help%3ACloud+Services+communication+content&rev2=&action=&unhide= [19:59:00] Basically all Help/Support/Contact info was deleted AFAICT. [19:59:33] and the edit sunmary did not say precisely where it was moved to. [20:00:22] nor does the diff appear to show that info either [20:00:58] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates [20:01:45] I’m not referring to the most recent edit. [20:01:55] I’m referring to the second most recent edit [20:04:29] sorry i keep getting dropped [20:05:03] hang on going to tr a diff browser ugh using mobile safari on ios [20:06:08] sorry i keep getting dropped [20:06:08] hang on going to tr a diff browser ugh using mobile safari on ios [20:06:09] (no good free irc clients in ios app store afaik) [20:17:52] If sa2 comes back it sounds like they are confused about the diff at . As AntiComposite pointed out the content was just moved to a transclude. [20:42:20] OK here’s the problem. Apparently this is was caused by an unforeseen hiccup in the Mobile View on browsers like Mobile Safari. [20:42:51] Using a Desktop Browser view, I can see the links to Help/Communication — like this IRC link. [20:43:00] But using the Mobile browser view, I cannot. [20:43:33] From the page’s TOC box, there’s a link : [20:43:36] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal:Toolforge [20:43:51] “Help and communication” [20:44:48] screenshot https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KRbPzLL2/IMG_1380.PNG [20:45:18] tapping that link takes me to this page: [20:45:22] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Cloud_Services_communication [20:46:41] … which was edited in such a way that — on a mobile browser — it fails to display the info such as links to this IRC channel, and all other comm/support links/info. [20:46:49] sa3: click the "Communication and support" header on that page to see the content (/me assumes that menerva has it collapsed) [20:47:16] the mobile skin is not good on wikitech. like at all [20:49:06] yeah on the last link, “Help:Cloud_Services_Communication”, there’s literally zero available except for the TOC box, but zero actual content. [20:49:48] sa3: do you see a "Communication and support" header? [20:50:42] … Given that this is critical — it effectively blocks users from seeing how to reach out for support to anyone — I think that edit by Dave Caro should be removed. [20:50:50] (reverted i mean) [20:50:53] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/2038139 [20:51:03] sa3: try reloading the page [20:51:14] Trust me this isnt a user error [20:51:17] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Cloud_Services_communication [20:51:27] I just made an edit, trust me I'm not a jerk [20:51:44] oh ok thx brb [20:52:28] Yes!! Thank you!!! [20:52:52] That fixes it :-D [20:52:55] ^_^ [20:53:03] I removed the leading H2 that the mobile skin (minerva) would have been collapsing by default [20:53:57] bd808: that's making pages such as https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal:Toolforge/About_Toolforge look a bit silly - thoughs about adding it back in an ? [20:54:12] minerva's section collapse is ok on enwiki style articles with a lead paragraph but horrible on pages like a lot of the wikitecch Help namespace where there are leading headers [20:54:44] taavi: ugh is the even more transclusion? why did d.caro move part of it? [20:55:20] heh. lol that he did it because "Moved just the content to another page to be able to include without the section header" [20:55:44] taavi: Yeah, I will fix [20:57:30] should be better for both use cases now [20:58:20] (FWIW on some other pages with multiple sections I do see mobile expandable/collapsible page-section headers… but that wasn’t the case here.) [20:59:14] (… which i hope sort of answers an earlier question.) [21:01:55] sa3: I think most of the confusion came from the XY problem. You had a solution in mind that did not make the problem you wanted to solve immediately obvious. [21:02:11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem [21:02:18] The latest edit still appears to work on my mobile browsers [21:02:33] excellent. that was the plan :) [21:02:42] thanks again! [21:03:18] and my confusion was that I hadn’t yet tried using Desktop View, so my initial interpretation was that it was just deleted entirely. [21:03:31] lol [21:04:29] then after some initial irc chat and confusing replies— i realised i could check the desktop view— and sure enough… [21:05:25] Had I not realised that, this troubleshooting would have taken a lot longer, and maybe not succeeded at all. [21:08:10] anyway we managed to muddle through it (i also used to work in tech support, but dont have a background in wiki framework at all), so i’m relieved and grateful to y’all. [21:09:34] also i can confirm the mobile view on this page w multiple sections is properly expandible/collapsible, incl the CommunicationAndSupport section: [21:09:36] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal:Toolforge/About_Toolforge [21:09:46] … [21:09:51] Larger question. [21:10:21] Is there a bot we can use or a query to check for this general mobile/desktop view problem across the entire wiki, in other pages? [21:10:52] … pr maybe submit it to the upstream MediaWiki project? [21:52:10] sidebar: Apologies for my approach/tone/etc. I need to own my own anxiety/adhd here. [21:53:55] (and bd808 is right in the XY problem and how i approached it, i realise. I failed to describe appropriately exactly what I was seeing, earlier.) [21:54:38] not that I'm aware of, and it sounds useful. (re @wmtelegram_bot: Is there a bot we can use or a query to check for this general mobile/desktop view problem across the entire wiki, in othe...) [22:03:16] sa3: thank you for being aware of your tone and impact on others. We all have those moments. [22:04:22] XY problem is just life too, so don't beat yourself up about that either [22:08:26] 🙏💜 [22:11:31] My original reason for looking for help and support was this bug in trying to register for ipcheck (usercheck) tool. I think it needs to go to the tool/maintainer (and maybe other tools also), but— 1. I was reading and I’m unclear if it’s been deprecated or is unmaintained (seems there was a switchover in domains and other variables); and 2. I couldn’t locate a support page or code repo for the tool anywhere. [22:12:10] (hang on i’ll grab a link and copy the error text) [22:14:46] sa3: https://toolsadmin.wikimedia.org/tools/id/ipcheck -- looks like musikanimal and SQL are the maintainers. [22:15:52] oh. and it's abandonware? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SQL&oldid=954401394#The_future_of_IPCheck [22:16:16] in trying to register, https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:OAuth/authorize?oauth_consumer_key=[redactedforprivacy]&oauth_token=[redacted] — note obv this is not the actual link. Text reads: “Hi [username”, In order to complete your request, IPCheck needs permission to access information on all projects of this site on your behalf. No changes will be made with your account. … [22:16:16] [Allow|Cancel]” …. -> tap Allow goes to page: https://ipcheck.toolforge.org/index.php with error text: “The requirements to use this tool are more than 500 edits, or your account being over 30 days old. Your account has 5 locally (65 globally), and is only 5750.57 old locally (5473.88 globally).” [22:17:23] … so it appears to misread “5750.57” as less than 30 [22:17:42] (unless there is some other backend bug) [22:18:21] oh—- Hm, just seeing your msg above— abandonware. Thanks for locating it! and that’s unfortunate [22:19:25] I think the message is inaccurate [22:19:31] The git repo was archived 3 years ago. Seems like maybe the tool should be shutdown? [22:19:34] it exits if edit count < limit || age < limit [22:19:51] thus, the requirement for successful login is more than X edits *and* over Y days old [22:20:08] The text was “or,” not “and” [22:20:24] I couldn’t say whether that’s a bug in the code or the message is wrong but the code working as intended [22:20:33] the code is here (and a few lines below) btw https://github.com/SQL-enwiki/ipcheck/blob/ce9657c8eb39485114aace57594d39aee47b3bea/public_html/index.php#L106 [22:21:33] so if you want to use the tool in whatever state it’s in, you’ll need to get enough edits to fulfill both requirements, I think [22:21:48] lucas: thanks for finding the relevant code link! gotcha. [22:21:56] My money is on the code being as intended, but the english translation being wrong [22:22:16] (it’s unlikely to be changed either way…) [22:23:04] for sure. [22:23:10] (to both) [22:30:00] !log tools.ipcheck Live hack die() message to mach verification check code. [22:30:43] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools.ipcheck/SAL [22:35:32] typo? should “SAL” be the maintainer’s username ?? “SQL” (i have no idea what this is about— disregard, no need to explain to me if you don’t feel like it) [22:35:59] no, SAL stands for server admin log [22:36:07] each project has a "SAL" [22:36:35] hah, coincidental near-keyboard-match. gotcha. thx 🙏 [22:36:38] yes:) [22:36:41] np [22:36:47] though some tools use it more than others (in this case it’s the first entry, the previous maintainers didn’t use the SAL) [22:38:58] also seeing “mach” — “message to mach verification” [22:40:48] lucas— yes makes sense [22:50:12] !log lta-tracker run apt update on all hosts and remove unneeded apt packages, additionally prepare for OS update to remove depreciation warning on Horizon. [22:50:16] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Lta-tracker/SAL [22:51:04] I am going to quit IRC until end of October. Then I will come back. cya [22:51:16] Have a good holiday mutante <3 [22:51:24] thanks Zppix :) [22:51:34] enjoy!! [22:51:44] 24 hours longer here but already reducing the number of channels [22:51:46] thanks sa3 [23:02:57] enjoy the sabbatical! [23:09:52] Q: is there a way for me to see my own access logs for the pages i’ve *viewed* on Wikipedia? [23:14:21] I am trying to remember what rabbithole I went down that led to me wanting to run ipcheck for possible misuse or abuse by an unlogged-in user on an article…. But I can no longer remember which page it was, or what I was doing (several hours ago now), and for some reason my browser’s first history today began with that ipcheck auth link. [23:17:13] nope, we don't keep per-user access logs for page views [23:18:08] i figured. (i mean that is a good thing in almost every case lol). thank you.