[00:19:28] <perryprog>	 Tekneos: this page should have some helpful deets https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Envvars
[00:19:37] <perryprog>	 oh I just read the rest of your message which implies you already know about that page
[00:20:56] <perryprog>	 Yeah looks like it should be persisted just fine? https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal:Toolforge/Admin/Envvars_Service
[01:43:08] <Tekneos>	 Very helpful thank you perryprog.  I had read through the user documentation previously, but wasn't aware of the admin page. That confirms what I suspected - looks like the environment variables are stored as kubernetes secrets, which definitely persist.
[01:57:00] <Tekneos>	 Maybe it would be worth adding something like this to the EnvVars user docs? To make it explicit.
[01:57:00] <Tekneos>	 "Environment variables created via the toolforge CLI are persistent, and don't need to be recreated due to server upgrades, reboots, etc. They can be used for long-term storage of application secrets."
[08:32:40] <wm-bb>	 <telemoud> Hey all, been around 36 hours since the last pageviews dump came out. Didn't see a phab ticket, are we tracking that?
[09:05:58] <Reedy>	 !log tools.slf Deleted old gerrit SSH key T431944
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[09:06:02] <stashbot>	 T431944: SLF bot isn't seemingly running every week - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T431944
[15:32:55] <dcaro>	 Tekneos: yep, they are stored long-term (until you delete them manually), they persist as k8s secrets
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[18:42:21] <PCendr>	 Hello, who is there?
[18:45:53] <PCendr>	 Can I run AI localy in Toolforge?
[18:50:29] <PCendr>	 Goodbye
[19:28:34] <wm-bb>	 <PhV6OSm4va3IiJ> I'm unable to login login.toolforge.org through SSH now. Is it down?
[19:29:10] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> works for me, but quite laggy
[19:30:25] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> hm, but I can’t see what’s eating the CPU…
[19:30:56] <wm-bb>	 <PhV6OSm4va3IiJ> last thing I did was to run a script which might be too expensive... if it's still running please kill it.
[19:31:03] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> which script? which user?
[19:31:14] <wm-bb>	 <PhV6OSm4va3IiJ> user: pacmand
[19:32:16] <wm-bb>	 <PhV6OSm4va3IiJ> script: "python3 /tmp/v1.py"
[19:32:39] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> killed
[19:32:53] <wm-bb>	 <PhV6OSm4va3IiJ> phew
[19:33:17] <wm-bb>	 <PhV6OSm4va3IiJ> Thank you
[19:33:44] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> yeah `uptime` seems to be going down again
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[21:03:04] <Gouvernathor>	 hello, is it possible to serve a static website on toolforge using NGINX alone rather than something like Express ?
[21:03:57] <Gouvernathor>	 or any reverse proxy really
[21:06:44] <lucaswerkmeister>	 yes, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Web/Lighttpd
[21:06:52] <lucaswerkmeister>	 (for a static website; not sure about the reverse proxy bit)
[21:08:52] <Gouvernathor>	 oh hey lucas
[21:13:36] <Gouvernathor>	 I did some work on T431363 if you're interested
[21:13:37] <stashbot>	 T431363: [oauth2] handle refresh failure - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T431363
[21:14:09] <lucaswerkmeister>	 yes, I’m still catching up on stuff after my holiday, I’ll get to it eventually :)
[21:14:27] <Gouvernathor>	 sure, no worries
[21:14:39] <Gouvernathor>	 do you know if that lighttpd thing is compatible with the `toolforge build start`-like way of doing things ?
[21:16:09] <Gouvernathor>	 someone spent quite some time helping me put that up, as I understand it's the new best way of doing things on toolforge, I don't think I want to break from it
[21:17:07] <lucaswerkmeister>	 not directly, I think
[21:18:35] <lucaswerkmeister>	 but I mean, it’s not like you’re accumulating a ton of technical debt by putting your static files in `public_html/` and running `webservice php8.4 start` (as long as you don’t have any PHP files in there)
[21:18:53] <lucaswerkmeister>	 you can always switch that to the build service later (just needs some static server in the image, I guess)
[21:19:18] <lucaswerkmeister>	 (I’m slightly surprised we don’t seem to have a “version-independent” lighttpd image AFAICT [which should then probably have php disabled and be static-only])
[21:20:18] <Gouvernathor>	 the trouble is that I need to build the static files using Node
[21:20:30] <lucaswerkmeister>	 ah ok, during the build step
[21:20:33] <Gouvernathor>	 yep
[21:20:38] <lucaswerkmeister>	 I see
[21:21:49] <Gouvernathor>	 I do have a solution that builds it using the build service, installs express to serve it then, but I got advised that servers usually already have a reverse proxy like nginx and that it's a waste of resources to use something like express for a static app
[21:21:55] <lucaswerkmeister>	 in that case I’d probably put a python server inside the container image
[21:22:04] <lucaswerkmeister>	 actually I just realized I have a tool like that (I think)
[21:22:22] <lucaswerkmeister>	 yup, codex-playground
[21:22:31] <lucaswerkmeister>	 using uwsgi https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/toolforge-repos/codex-playground/-/blob/main/uwsgi.ini?ref_type=heads#L8
[21:22:51] <Gouvernathor>	 I'm doing just that but with js and express rather than python (which does keep it single-language)
[21:23:08] <Gouvernathor>	 at least I think it's relatively the same thing
[21:23:10] <lucaswerkmeister>	 oh good there’s even a tutorial I was following at the time https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/My_first_static_tool
[21:23:14] <lucaswerkmeister>	 (from https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/toolforge-repos/codex-playground/-/commit/039d20f155fb2cbc579d3e02b1ab3f63ad764c59)
[21:23:18] <lucaswerkmeister>	 yeah, sure
[21:25:00] <Gouvernathor>	 I mostly followed this one https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Building_container_images/My_first_static_tool_using_Node.js (then switched to express)
[21:28:48] <Gouvernathor>	 according to this, there is an Nginx layer that serves the tools https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Web
[21:29:15] <Gouvernathor>	 but if it was easily possible to configure its routes within a tool they would probably say it
[21:29:17] <Gouvernathor>	 oh well
[21:32:03] <lucaswerkmeister>	 yeah, it needs something to proxy to
[21:32:09] <lucaswerkmeister>	 it doesn’t have access to your container’s file system anyway
[22:21:26] <Gouvernathor>	 alternatively, is there a way for my tool to use express at runtime without having every `npm ci` call install express ?
[22:22:43] <Gouvernathor>	 I'm using a proxy repository now, that depends on express and clones my main repository, but it's a lot of noise for little use
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