[10:49:02] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Now that IE is said to be no more, are we finally going to have proper ECMA script 6+support for user scripts, gadgets, etc? :)
[10:50:29] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <andreklapper> depends on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308867 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T288287
[10:56:55] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> >Browsers or browser versions that are no longer developed or maintained, and incompatible with modern Internet standard; MediaWiki may choose to drop support.
[10:56:59] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> Choose to, not will ;P
[12:00:02] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <djhartman> I did a check yesterday (same reason). Current traffic is at 0.3% globally for all IE traffic on WM. But some countries still have significant higher numbers. The usage trendline is dropping quickly however, so I personally expect we can definitely drop this pretty soon.
[12:00:02] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <djhartman> The ticket also has it set as Q2/Q3, so that's somewhere between Oct 2022 and April 2023. From the trendline I saw I think sept 2022 would be a good time.
[12:00:27] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jhsoby> /delete@wikilinksbot
[12:05:42] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <djhartman> but Japan's desktop traffic is still about 10% IE11 for instance.. kinda scary.
[13:03:19] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> 😭😭😭 (re @tehreedy: Choose to, not will ;P)
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[15:40:37] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> is Phab down?
[15:40:47] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> I get
[15:40:47] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> > upstream connect error or disconnect/reset before headers. reset reason: connection failure
[15:40:52] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Samuel> Yes, planned maintenance
[15:41:13] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> 🤔
[15:42:08] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Don't see it announced in recent Tech news
[15:42:25] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Samuel> It was sent to wikitech-l
[15:52:23] <andre>	 I don't think that should reach a Tech News threshold - that's for on-wiki tech changes
[16:10:34] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jhsoby> A wiki I help maintaining is complaining that Visual Editor doesn't work (shows a "can't connect to RESTbase" error) on pages with large-ish tables (≈100 rows). I am unable to reproduce this myself - for me those pages load a little slowly in VE, but they still load. Does anyone have any idea what the issue might be?
[16:17:29] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Samuel> @jhsoby it's timing out for them users
[16:18:06] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Samuel> Generally I've found if you have a lot of tables that parsoid gets very slow
[16:38:34] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jhsoby> Yeah. But i wouldn't call these tables particularly large, especially compared to a lot of tables on Wikipedia where it works fine. Is there a way to increase the timeout threshold or something?
[16:39:44] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jhsoby> (I've already looked through all the config variables for VE without finding anything that's obviously connected to this)
[16:40:59] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Well, Tech news has links to Phabricator, and it is also where you report on wiki tech problems. Finding that it does not work makes one helpful, especially if they are not members of this chat or other ways to ask people directly :) (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <andre> I don't think that should reach a Tech News threshold - that's for on-wiki tech changes)
[16:41:22] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> (Bugtracker down is the most confusing thing, because that is where you would expect to report that it is down :) )
[16:41:40] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> but at least a more informative error message? something that mentions it's planned? (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <andre> I don't think that should reach a Tech News threshold - that's for on-wiki tech changes)
[16:43:09] <andre>	 I'd agree with that, and that's likely something to tell #wikimedia-releng on IRC
[16:44:27] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <chicocvenancio> is it still down? message on wikitech-l saying maintenance is done as of 7 minutes ago. (re @Thecladis: Well, Tech news has links to Phabricator, and it is also where you report on wiki tech problems. Finding that it does not work m...)
[16:45:14] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <chicocvenancio> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/BXYQNX66EMV7LXORDZP6OLIBQZ4EYOQF/ is the thread
[16:45:23] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> looks up. at least when not logged in
[16:57:55] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Looks to be up now (re @chicocvenancio: is it still down? message on wikitech-l saying maintenance is done as of 7 minutes ago.)
[16:58:06] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Was down when I asked
[17:08:29] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> right you asked 55 minutes before announcement that it was back up (re @Thecladis: Was down when I asked)
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