[01:25:33] [telegram] HI all, looking forward to Hackathon starting later. However, a basic question - how come this page consistently says "the Jitsi rooms" but never links to them, or even a page where the Jitsi rooms can be found? I'm willing to SOFIXIT but I'm quite surprised by this to the point that I'm thinking there MUST be a reason it was left out. On purpose. Right? Maybe anti-spam? Safe space? I'm puzzled. [01:25:33] [telegram] [01:25:35] [telegram] Any insights appreciated. https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon/Schedule [01:26:00] [telegram] Ping @haleywmf about the lack of Jitsi room links ... is there a reason they are missing or can we link to them? [02:31:13] [telegram] The Jitsi (which is an implementation detail) rooms will be embedded in Pheedloop, in my understanding [02:36:27] [telegram] You will have the option to join Jitsi through Pheedloop, or from links on the wiki. The links will go up shortly. [02:37:40] [telegram] We put them up last minute for liability reasons- this allows safety volunteers to monitor the rooms for trolls, etc. [02:37:57] [telegram] Thank you all for your patience! [03:58:11] [telegram] Hi everyone! Super excited to see many of you in about 12 hours. The Opening Ceremony and pre-hacking showcase start at 16:00 UTC. It will be an open and informal space to share project ideas and meet collaborators. Please note we will primarily be on Jitsi, IRC/Telegram, and Pheedloop. There was a change- we will *not* be using Discord. [03:58:11] [telegram] See ya soon! https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon/Schedule [05:06:49] [telegram] don't worry, even if they had, it wouldn't have made it any less confusing. a group of people trying to restrict the meaning of a term never works, and *can't* work without extremely oppressive language policing, which would be a far worse situation (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] wishes that OSI had pursued trademark on Open Source so that this was less confusing) [05:10:56] [telegram] if you think trademarks stop people from "misusing" a word, maybe ask google and microsoft how well their trademarks on "google" and "powerpoint" are working :P [07:11:23] [telegram] From the discussions in the repository about the licensing, people have pointed out that the terms of the AGPL explicitly void any additional clauses that introduce restrictions to the rights upheld by the license, so the conditions of the Commons Clause would have no legal weight and the AGPL would prevail. Of course, it's an undesirable situation regardless, where the licensing terms are contradictory and [07:29:47] [telegram] unfortunately it's not so simple – the SFC spill a *lot* of digital ink arguing against this and how the judge must be wrong, but the latest (afaik) ruling is that licensees can't remove the commons clause added by the licensor (iiuc) https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2022/mar/30/neo4j-v-purethink-open-source-affero-gpl/ (re @waldyrious: From the discussions in the repository about the licensing, people [09:45:16] [telegram] Hello, I have a question! What is the link to attend the sessions of the Wikimania 2022 conference? [09:56:24] [telegram] Register here and you'll get a personal login to the platform: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration (re @HasanHassoon: Hello, I have a question! What is the link to attend the sessions of the Wikimania 2022 conference?) [10:36:25] [telegram] Direct access to the conference room ? (re @HasanHassoon: Hello, I have a question! What is the link to attend the sessions of the Wikimania 2022 conference?) [11:02:57] [telegram] There is no direct access, you have to register and login. (re @HasanHassoon: Direct access to the conference room ?) [12:06:05] [telegram] I'm registered but I can't enter the conference (re @Jan_ainali: There is no direct access, you have to register and login.) [12:07:13] [telegram] Does the password you got in the email not work? (re @HasanHassoon: I'm registered but I can't enter the conference) [12:11:52] [telegram] @HasanHassoon: Go through the Pheedloop at https://pheedloop.com/wikimania2022/login/auth/?redirect=/wikimania2022/virtual/, then enter your email and the password you have been sent to enter the conference. (re @HasanHassoon: I'm registered but I can't enter the conference) [12:19:29] [telegram] Hi, I'm trying to fix something with Visual Editor in a wiki i'm maintaining. When you try to edit pages with large tables, I get an "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 500)". I've tried increasing the memory allotment from 512MB to 1400MB (same as Wikimedia's Parsoid settings), but to no avail. Does anyone have any tips? [12:19:29] [telegram] [12:19:30] [telegram] It works like it should for most articles, but not for pages with big tables (which is where VE is most useful, so it would be great to have it available there) [12:26:29] [telegram] This message : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/56ea3952/file_33273.jpg [13:18:10] [telegram] It is very good to see your input being provided on this. (re @Thecladis: Though as it is very terrible from technical perspective this year perhaps it would be a good nudge to finally have it offline a...) [14:34:27] [telegram] Hello everyone. We apologize for the issues with Pheedloop. [14:35:08] [telegram] We have made all our sessions available on wiki, so anyone should be able to attend now. https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon/Schedule [14:35:20] [telegram] For the Hackathon- other Wikimania sessions are still on Pheedloop. [14:35:42] [telegram] If you have any challenges with Pheedloop, please contact the Help Desk https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_desk [15:59:55] [telegram] Opening ceremony starting on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ8bOkbnPe0 [16:00:57] [telegram] Add yourself to https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon/Participants [16:28:33] question for the room: I am thinking about removing the "[irc]" and "[telegram]" markers from the messages bridged from one side to the other in this room to remove some visual noise. Does anyone strongly believe that this will cause confusion? (no need to say if you think it would be fine to do) [16:38:11] [telegram] I suppose it's fine until @gtisza gets another bridge to Matrix for this group, at which point service disambiguation would help [16:39:26] [telegram] Hi people Do I increase the number of visits to this page? https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Community_Grid [16:39:26] [telegram] How to make her "Good"? there is such a section in the Ukrainian Wikipedia [16:46:37] [telegram] Hi, why would you want to increase the number of visits? Which underlying problem do you want to solve by that? :) (re @FimaVerdes: Hi people Do I increase the number of visits to this page? https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Community_Grid [16:46:38] [telegram] How to make her "G...) [16:48:21] [telegram] I want power grid network up (re @andreklapper: Hi, why would you want to increase the number of visits? Which underlying problem do you want to solve by that? :)) [16:49:06] [telegram] I'm afraid I don't understand, sorry. Your previous question was about a Ukrainian Wikipedia article. (re @FimaVerdes: I want power grid network up) [16:50:04] [telegram] There are pageview statistics at https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/ , that's a bit related. [16:50:42] [telegram] We cannot give SEO advice I'm afraid. Encyclopedia entries are not a popularity contest. :) [16:51:37] [telegram] yes . about ua page. i wont know about wiki instrument for do this page more population (re @andreklapper: I'm afraid I don't understand, sorry. Your previous question was about a Ukrainian Wikipedia article.) [16:52:35] [telegram] I understend you. ) (re @andreklapper: We cannot give SEO advice I'm afraid. Encyclopedia entries are not a popularity contest. :)) [16:54:23] [telegram] I want to increase the power of the network at the expense of the Wikipedia tool. if I make it kind (this is a section in ua wikipedia). I still don't know how to improve it (re @andreklapper: Hi, why would you want to increase the number of visits? Which underlying problem do you want to solve by that? :)) [16:54:54] [telegram] so by ( [16:59:28] [telegram] You may want to ask in a Ukrainian Wikipedia forum if this is not about code development. (As this Telegram channel is about code development.) Please also be aware of https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Вікіпедія:Чим_не_є_Вікіпедія though. [17:00:16] [telegram] Newcomers social session starting now in https://meet.jit.si/wikimania2022-hackathon-social-room [17:10:36] [telegram] Hello all [17:26:05] [telegram] If someone missed the link, in this room @Nightrose is presenting the "Wikidata games" project https://meet.jit.si/wikimania2022-hackathon-tech-sessions-wikidata [17:30:28] [telegram] So cool! [17:30:52] [telegram] Both Jitsi rooms are open for the duration of the Hackathon. Feel free to move around between them! [17:52:29] [telegram] Matrix and IRC can do proper bridging (double-puppeting) where every account on one network is represented by a dedicated account on the other network, instead of all users being represented by a single bot. So no point in bridging both Matrix and IRC with Telegram. (re @mahir256: I suppose it's fine until @gtisza gets another bridge to Matrix for this group, at which point service disambiguation would help) [17:52:43] [telegram] hi everyone [17:53:32] [telegram] 👋 [17:53:39] [telegram] The Matrix version of the channel is https://app.element.io/#/room/#wikimedia-hackathon:matrix.org btw [18:22:05] [telegram] Loving the Wikibooks cookbook social session. What are you all up to? [18:32:10] [telegram] @andreklapper is doing a session on Technical Development Statistics now! [19:08:43] ah, still #wmhack worked :) [19:09:21] do we have the graphical/audio chat with the little avatars? [19:09:47] [telegram] I'm getting kicked off PAWS (error code 5) - anyone else able to work on it? [19:13:42] [telegram] ah nevermind, i think i found the problem. [20:06:12] I just changed the config to remove the [irc]/[telegram] labels from messages passing across platforms here. They will be easy to bring back if we get to a point of being confused about where a given message came from. [20:17:51] I'll just assume the spam comes from telegram [20:24:54] heh [20:25:00] Great to see many of you today at the Hackathon! If you're still looking for a project to join, check out the Phabricator board! https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/6030/