[07:31:40] <wm-bb>	 <carlespina> I couldn't participate in the Hackathon last weekend :-( but I thought of sharing here (late, sorry) a prototype/hack that I've been recently doing: https://kamus.pina.cat . It's a web that helps using Wiktionary translations. Perhaps someone finds it useful. Select From language (English, Spanish and Catalan), To language (almost any) and a word and it shows the translation. Feel free to get in touch if you have any p
[13:00:36] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> Nice work, @carlespina! Reminds me of ninjawords.com :)
[13:01:59] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> Perhaps you could implement the same UI they have, where the form remains fixed at the tom, rather than jumping up and down depending on the length of the translation content
[13:02:34] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> Also, I wonder if the "No translation available for this sense" entries could be all grouped under the same heading, to save space.
[13:07:35] <wm-bb>	 <carlespina> Thanks Waldir - I didn't know of ninjawords.com, thanks for the link! Good ideas there. I will implement the grouping + move the form to the top (probably this Friday :-) ). I also wanted to avoid the full page reload (I can do it with HTMX which I fancy getting my hands on). It will not be as fast as ninjawords.com because it gets the results from Wiktionary in real time... if I had many users I might get a copy of Wi
[14:01:25] <waldyrious[m]>	 I'm also an HTMX fan, great to know you're eyeing it too!
[14:06:06] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> ☝️ @bd808 / @gtisza does the [m] next to my username above mean it is from Matrix? And if so, should it be removed the same way that those from IRC and Telegram were also removed recently?
[14:27:27] <wm-bb>	 <bd808> @waldyrious yes that’s my matrix account puppeted into the irc channel. It needs a unique nick, the [m] suffix is just a common convention.
[15:26:59] * bd808 sees that he misread what @waldyrious asked
[15:28:44] <bd808>	 @waldyrious: You should have control of your matrix account's nick by sending a `!nick ...` message to the bridge bot user -- https://matrix-org.github.io/matrix-appservice-irc/latest/usage.html#customising-your-experience
[15:35:24] <waldyrious[m]>	 <bd808> "@waldyrious: You should have..." <- Oh, cool, thanks! But should I assume that only works from the IRC side? I tried messaging the bot on Matrix (Element) but nothing happened.
[15:37:39] <bd808>	 Isn't there only a "matrix side" for you actually interacting with the account? What is seen on the libra.chat side is just the puppeted aspect of the matrix bridge connecting to your matrix account's session.
[15:40:52] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> Right, it wouldn't know that my IRC account is meant to match the matrix account with the same name 🤔  In that case, I'm at a loss, since I did try to message the bot on Matrix but it still shows my username with the [m] suffix.
[15:43:05] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> Here's a screenshot in case that clarifies things (presumably this will only be visible in Telegram) : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/1f05c0a4/file_33866.jpg
[15:44:00] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> Oh nice, the image gets uploaded and shared as an URL by the bot!
[16:01:06] <bd808>	 @waldyrious[m]: ah... wm-bb isn't the bot to talk to. You need to message the matrix irc bridge. I think that is probably the @appservice:libera.chat user. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Matrix.org#Configuring_your_IRC_nick
[16:30:26] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> I see, thanks! Do you know if it's the usual setup to have separate users for the appservice and bridge bot?
[16:34:30] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/pull/1594
[16:36:45] <bd808>	 waldyrious: wm-bb is not related to the matrix<->libra.chat connection. These are functionally distinct techniques for connecting separate chat systems.
[16:39:01] <bd808>	 wm-bb is the libra.chat side of https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tool:Bridgebot. That same bot is  @wmtelegram_bot on Telegram. A process running on Toolforge controls both the irc and Telegram sides and uses them to relay things it hears on one side to the other.
[16:40:16] <bd808>	 The libra.chat<->matrix bridge is done by something on the matrix side independently
[16:41:10] * bd808 can see how the "bridge bot" naming used by both systems can be confusing
[16:41:22] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> Oh, so the wm-bb user is for the irc-telegram bridge, and the appservice user is for the matrix-irc bridge?
[16:41:49] <bd808>	 correct
[16:42:00] <waldyrious>	 Ok, so I'll close my PR.
[16:45:06] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> Thanks for clearing things out! And yeah, if the bot names could be more explicit, that would help :)
[22:18:29] <tgr_>	 bd808: working on a WMCS homeserver, but it isn't strictly necessary AIUI - bridgebots are normal bots, they don't need special access to the homeserver. Could use matrix.org, or a $20/month etke.cc homeserver.
[22:19:05] <tgr_>	 Also, apparently EMS (the "official" Matrix hosting org) has a free community offering now: https://element.io/communities
[22:20:10] <tgr_>	 I'll look into that, sounds interesting.
[22:23:19] <bd808>	 We should find out if Selena is a fan of matrix...