[07:45:14] Helsinki-Athens 90 hours 😁 [10:44:48] Is there something like MediaWiki:Sitenotice for mobile (besides CentralNotice)? [10:49:48] I wonder what it would be from Inari :D (re @tuukkahastrup: Helsinki-Athens 90 hours 😁) [12:19:29] that doesn't work ? (re @jhsoby: Is there something like MediaWiki:Sitenotice for mobile (besides CentralNotice)?) [12:20:10] nope. we have an active sitenotice on nowiki at the moment, and it doesn't show up on mobile at all [12:22:11] hmm. ur right. seems like minerva isn't adding the contents at all... [12:22:40] definitely needs a ticket. [12:24:43] Ah. its `wgMinervaEnableSiteNotice` and its disabled by default... [12:24:56] a phabricator search (why didn't i try that first?) shows that there's a wgMinervaEnableSiteNotice [12:25:00] ^^ [12:25:09] no clue why.. I assume because most site notices weren't mobile compatible [12:25:17] yeah, most likely [12:26:16] See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138572#3457176 [12:29:00] I kinda agree that site notices are a terrible communication method. This is why on en.wp we mostly use watchlist notices. But for smaller wiki's, I think they don't have many other options if they want to reach sufficient people. [12:29:45] our current sitenotice is an experiment to try to get more editors, so a watchlist notice wouldn't really be ideal for that 😜 [12:42:10] central notice can be used instead. It kinda works easier honestly. [12:46:41] The big advantage of sitenotice is that it is wikicode based, and that is what most Wikimedians know. [12:46:41] [12:46:43] But the big disadvantage is the fact that if you have both site and central notice, then both are shown one on top of another which in some cases might be almost the whole screen height (re @djhartman: central notice can be used instead. It kinda works easier honestly.) [13:02:41] I don't see much incentive to use sitenotice. It's more limited (eg.: countries to display), it's not displayed on mobile and, depending on the community, getting consensus can be something draconian. It's heartbreaking when requests for centralnotice are answered with "why don't you use sitenotice?" 😅 [13:05:00] You do have to have consensus to run CentralNotice as well. (re @albertoleoncio: I don't see much incentive to use sitenotice. It's more limited (eg.: countries to display), it's not displayed on mobile and, d...) [13:15:16] Yes, but they are very different processes. I don't want to discuss specific cases, but I've seen banners that were published via centralnotices that would never be approved via local consensus for sitenotices. (re @Thecladis: You do have to have consensus to run CentralNotice as well.) [16:38:22] Hi all! 17 individuals will mentor 9 projects via the upcoming rounds of Google Summer of Code and Outreachy. Details about the projects are here: [16:38:23] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2023, [16:38:23] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_26. If there any potential applicants looking for more information from you, please direct them to these pages. [16:40:18] Oops! The links didn't get sent previously via bridgebot. Sharing them manually here: [16:40:33] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2023, [16:40:34] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_26. If there any potential applicants looking for more information from you, please direct them to these pages. [18:04:07] Is there any method I can connect to Toolforge via SSH other than port 22? My connection has something that always results in "connection refused" when I try to connect. [18:07:35] The disadvantage to using central notices is that it takes like two weeks to schedule them, so you can't really do anything reactive. Plus much more bureaucracy in general. But definitely much better from a technical perspective. (re @albertoleoncio: Yes, but they are very different processes. I don't want to discuss specific cases, but I've seen banners that were published vi...) [18:10:33] Try using Mosh. (re @albertoleoncio: Is there any method I can connect to Toolforge via SSH other than port 22? My connection has something that always results in "c...) [18:12:41] Also, try ssh -v (or -vvv) which might tell you why it is refused. If that error comes from the toolforge server, you are using an incorrect SSH key or something like that. If it comes from a firewall at your workplace or ISP, you might need to set up a VPN or other tunneling method. [18:24:53] My problem is really with firewall, I got "`Failed to connect to 185.15.56.66: Network error: Connection refused`". I've been using a specific VPN to connect, but the trial period is over and I'm out of options... I've also used something like Mosh, but it only works in the browser and I use WinSCP as well. (re @gtisza: Also, try ssh -v (or -vvv) which might tell you why it is re [18:24:53] fused. If that error comes from the toolforge server, you are using ...) [18:25:32] What do you mean, in the browser? Mosh is an executable. [18:26:31] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/44c6d5e6/file_45955.jpg [18:28:38] huh, I was sure it had a Windows port [18:29:27] you could install it under WSL or some other Linux-embedded-in-Windows setup, but I guess that's way more complex [18:44:59] That's why the VPN turned out to be more practical 😅 [18:44:59] [18:45:01] It would be possible to request to open an alternate port in addition to 22 (say, 2222). I don't know this part very well, more hardware, so I don't know if it's possible. (re @gtisza: you could install it under WSL or some other Linux-embedded-in-Windows setup, but I guess that's way more complex) [22:35:05] Probably. You should file a Phabricator task about it. (re @albertoleoncio: That's why the VPN turned out to be more practical 😅 [22:35:05] [22:35:07] It would be possible to request to open an alternate port in addition to 2...) [22:36:22] Although if you can use mosh as a Chrome extension, why not tunnel through that? [23:03:36] * bd808 is not sure that adding network edge complexity to help one user bypass a school/corporate firewall is a great idea [23:22:24] Yeah, if your focus is on security of the network, but want to be able to get in to maintain systems remotely. I personally would just do a VPN setup. [23:22:25] Why add the extra complexity where there need not be.