[04:43:00] I think there were studies at multiple German airports that only detected about 30% of the items they should. So it seems to be a worthy gamble ;) (re @djhartman: Lmao. Apparently today i flew with a 5cm pocketknife in my pants ! [04:43:01] Im not saying airport security is theatre, but…… they must n...) [04:58:25] I think there might be a maximum blade length, so maybe yours is just small enough. (re @djhartman: Lmao. Apparently today i flew with a 5cm pocketknife in my pants ! [04:58:25] Im not saying airport security is theatre, but…… they must n...) [05:01:02] Are there eleven?! lights? That seems to be too many.. (re @tehreedy: Why do these hotel rooms have so many individually switched lights!?) [05:01:22] The security screening is time consuming nonsense, especially the restrictions on carrying liquids. The main benefit is it makes flying less fun, so travellers are more likely to switch to rail where possible. [05:15:05] For high speed rail future we need to demand blood tests and MRI scans at the airport! (re @EdwardBetts: The security screening is time consuming nonsense, especially the restrictions on carrying liquids. The main benefit is it makes...) [05:18:29] Is breakfast on floor 1 of the hotel? [05:23:14] It is (re @tehreedy: Is breakfast on floor 1 of the hotel?) [05:23:44] Thanks! [05:26:11] Reminder - from the mails we got: [05:26:12] [05:26:13] the workshop rooms will have a very limited amount of power plugs, and not everyone will be able to have their devices (laptop, phone, etc.) constantly on charge. [05:26:15] We kindly ask you to *charge your devices every night before coming to the venue*. [05:36:18] Hello all! The registration desk is now open at the venue, Technopolis, in the building named Machineworks. More information about the venue: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2023/Venue [05:36:54] If you arrive to the venue by foot from the Lighthouse hotel, or by bus, you may find the service entrance first, that may be closed. If so, you just have to walk along the road a bit more to find the main entrance [05:37:33] Main entrance looks like this : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/c628f2d0/file_48203.jpg [05:38:03] Then you walk past the concert stage (not ours ;)) and you'll find our building, that looks like this [05:38:13] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/72b21c0a/file_48204.jpg [05:39:01] With white chairs and a Wikipedia logo at the main entrance door, where the registration desk is waiting for you :) [05:41:36] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/93e1c54a/file_48205.jpg [05:41:58] *Message for remote attendees*: We will go live in less than an hour for our kick-off opening of the Wikimedia Hackathon from Athens, Greece. Stay tuned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSb0PPVnelM #wmhack [05:42:18] *Message for remote attendees*: We will go live in less than an hour for our kick-off opening of the Wikimedia Hackathon from Athens, Greece. Stay tuned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSb0PPVnelM [06:33:56] There are many other lanyard wearing critters who are not us, so it may be confusing [06:34:06] I am watching on YouTube [06:34:54] Everyone - please wear your lanyards at all times in the venue! Thanks! [06:35:27] me too! (re @Bustria: I am watching on YouTube) [06:45:23] I think that was it : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/f43b995d/file_48210.jpg [06:46:02] ha! yup, we're a club of two 😊 [06:51:23] I enjoyed a very nice meal at this wonderful vegan restaurant yesterday and I can highly recommend it.The owner was very friendly and happy to hear that she has the best mapped restaurant in the area on OSM. om://8yyhRWloDg/3_Laloun eller dette https://omaps.app/8yyhRWloDg/3_Laloun : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/f8dc88a5/file_48212.jpg [06:59:52] Once you have presented, feel free to advertise your project here as well, adding Phab link if needed! [07:00:17] And if you don't want to present, that's fine, you can still post here [07:00:48] We'll keep 5min at the end for people who want to present onsite after we stopped recording/livestream [07:05:19] the wifi password for the "hackathon" network, btw: [07:05:21] hackathon2023! [07:08:53] Hi, I'm user:cscott and I'm on the content transform team, we parse wikitext into more useful forms. I'm also here to work with Kiwix on replacing their use of a deprecated API. Kiwix is a really cool offline browser for Wikipedia (and other web sites), find me if you want to hack on that as well. [07:09:18] Notes for the opening session are being taken here https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmh2023-Wikimedia_Hackathon_2023_Opening (for you reference). [07:10:23] tgr_: shots fired ;) [07:10:36] addshore says hi, and that he's in here in spirit [07:11:51] Btw, if anyone is interested in rich media brainstorming - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336632 [07:14:15] Andrew: i think a mw themed ctf would be really cool [07:15:31] @EdwardBetts I would like to work with Edward on his new version of the OSM Wikidata Link software 🤩 [07:16:13] @legoktm IRC is just a year older than Taylor Swift. [07:16:29] ahahaha [07:16:30] Please help improve notes.. if you pitched a project make sure that your name and summary was captured correctly in the notes. Thank you! (re @srishakatux: Notes for the opening session are being taken here https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmh2023-Wikimedia_Hackathon_2023_Opening (fo...) [07:16:58] @jdforrester I’m slightly surprised you didn’t blame Timo, Lego and I for helping break stuff ;p [07:18:04] I forgot to plug my sessions, but if you'd like to see an overview of new code features available in MediaWiki and PHP in general ("what can I do now that we're finally on PHP 7.4?"), check out T331276 (today) and T331275 (Sunday)! [07:18:08] It’s always my fault things break even if you lot wrote and merged it. I should have been there to fix things before, right? ;-) (re @tehreedy: @jdforrester I’m slightly surprised you didn’t blame Timo, Lego and I for helping break stuff ;p) [07:19:01] Irc was used for communication during the fall of the soviet union! Cant turn our back on history ;) [07:20:45] I also want to talk about collabpad [07:22:33] I use mcr for something not SDC! [07:25:45] No time for presenting but if anyone is intersted in talking about 360 photos in Commons and virtual tours - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336996 [07:26:21] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/2883da96/file_48214.jpg [07:26:32] Potch section is done [07:35:27] Hello all! As noted before if any issues arise regarding safety please don't hesitate to reach out to us (this is a private account hosted by the event safety team). You can also email hackathon@wikimedia.org or find us in the room. Happy hacking 🎉 [07:42:36] Hi there. Dom Walden here. Happy to help with any actual testing or advice about testing for any project. [08:01:58] I think we are really "stress" testing the internet at this point :) [08:02:44] 🤞 [08:15:42] You mean the PHP 7.4 that’s been End of Life for half a year? 🤔 (re @lucaswerkmeister: I forgot to plug my sessions, but if you'd like to see an overview of new code features available in MediaWiki and PHP in genera...) [08:16:19] Ops! : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/8d0715d1/file_48216.jpg [08:17:46] simon04[m]: https://docker-registry.toolforge.org/ [08:18:42] simon04[m]: docker-registry.tools.wmflabs.org/toolforge-python39-sssd-base:latest [08:19:30] Hi everyone! While workshop is running in MachineWorks room, we encourage all attendees to not have group conversations in the opening / plenary space. It creates a lot of noise in the room. Thanks a lot for your understanding! [08:25:41] Is the wifi network not-so-great just for me, or for other people, too? [08:25:53] yeah, I was about to write that [08:26:01] <_joe_> it's not great yeah [08:26:01] * volans same [08:26:07] <_joe_> maybe it's my torrents? [08:26:08] 2 devices having issues at our table [08:26:20] IRC is fine~ish but anything web is super slow [08:26:35] <_joe_> yeah IRC needs a 56k to be fine [08:26:38] Session on "Overview of technical areas & projects in Wikimedia's technical ecosystem" is about to start in Warehouse Workshop Room. Please feel free to walk in if you are interested. [08:26:47] disconnecting and reconnecting from the wifi seemed to fix it for me (at least for a while) [08:26:52] <_joe_> for people younger than 40, a 56k is a dialup modem [08:29:29] A pile of Apple security patches got released this morning, which might be contributing to a bunch of big automatic downloads. [08:30:07] Coming up at #wmhack #wmhack2023 [08:30:07] 🕰️19/05/2023 11:30:00 Local (GMT+3) [08:30:09] [08:30:10] Get setup with MediaWiki and build a skin\n [08:30:12] [08:30:13] 📍 MachineWorks Workshop Room [08:31:24] mosh is your friend [08:32:04] We are starting now! (re @gopavasanth: Session on "Overview of technical areas & projects in Wikimedia's technical ecosystem" is about to start in Warehouse Workshop ...) [08:34:29] Somehow the Warehouse/Workshop wifi seems much faster than the main space [08:39:08] Anyone has a spare european plug adapter? My laptop is dying 🥲 [08:40:40] @deb_t Do you manage GitLab? I just created a ticket 🙃 [08:41:00] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2022/Results/Raw sneak peak [08:41:49] Hi everyone! This is a friendly reminder that we're looking for outstanding contributors in the technical field in the Wikimedia environment. Please nominate someone that we can celebrate this month, by participating to our informal survey at https://w.wiki/6f8A [08:53:25] I have one (re @WhitePhosphorus: Anyone has a spare european plug adapter? My laptop is dying 🥲) [08:53:35] does anyone know if any members from the WMF Security team are at the hackathon? (no urgent incident or anything, just something I’d like to have someone’s review for) [08:54:04] No. We’re not here [08:55:20] Just plug the usb stick you got at the registration and one of them will see you shortly. 😬 (re @lucaswerkmeister: does anyone know if any members from the WMF Security team are at the hackathon? (no urgent incident or anything, just something...) [08:56:25] I'm in the back of Warehouse/Workshop if you need it asap (re @WhitePhosphorus: Anyone has a spare european plug adapter? My laptop is dying 🥲) [09:02:46] Any ruby enthusiasts around? Fancy a chat at lunch? [09:03:39] <_joe_> lucaswekrmeister: reedy and Andy cooper are here AFAICT [09:05:59] let me look! (re @albertoleoncio: @deb_t Do you manage GitLab? I just created a ticket 🙃) [09:07:06] I'm in. But have no idea how to find you among all this people (re @ferdi2005: Any ruby enthusiasts around? Fancy a chat at lunch?) [09:07:12] It's a trap [09:10:33] I also have one! (re @WhitePhosphorus: Anyone has a spare european plug adapter? My laptop is dying 🥲) [09:11:29] I already got one from andrew! Thank you anyway :) (re @Soylacarli: I also have one!) [09:14:08] Can this link (or perhaps a separate pad specifically for the project ideas/pitches) be pinned in the channel? That would make it easier to find stuff and people :) (re @srishakatux: Notes for the opening session are being taken here https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmh2023-Wikimedia_Hackathon_2023_Opening (fo...) [09:18:41] ℹ️ *Important information about lunch: [09:18:42] *- lunch will be available from *12:30 to 14:00, outdoors in front of Machineworks*. [09:18:43] - we kindly ask you to *NOT go all at the same time*, we would appreciate if some people would wait until 13:15 to go - we promise there will be food for everyone :) [09:18:45] - you will find the buffet outside the Machineworks building. You can *grab a plate, get food and sit on a table outside*. Soft drinks are also available on the tables. [09:18:46] - all foods are labeled, if you have any issue/question, feel free to ask the waiters. [09:18:48] - please note that foods labeled as kosher, etc. are in limited quantity, please don't take some if you are not related to a particular diet. [09:18:49] - as soon as you're done, please *leave the table (leave your plates on the table)* so the waiters can remove them and free the space for more people. [09:19:23] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/f59cad7c/file_48222.jpg [09:22:28] Can someone get me in touch with Nikki please? I have a question related to language modeling in Wikidata. [09:25:13] At lunchtime let’s choose a corner! 😄 (re @millodarka: I'm in. But have no idea how to find you among all this people) [09:27:42] Do you suggest any way to get an extract better than TextExtracts? [09:32:19] Because I was just talking to Andre about this topic I'll promote this poll here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/V22 [09:35:14] I get an "access denied" if I try to access that link 🤔 (re @wmtelegram_bot: Because I was just talking to Andre about this topic I'll promote this poll here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org...) [09:37:15] all done :) (re @lucaswerkmeister: does anyone know if any members from the WMF Security team are at the hackathon? (no urgent incident or anything, just something...) [09:41:40] Are you logged into phabricator? (re @waldyrious: I get an "access denied" if I try to access that link 🤔) [09:42:24] yes (re @OutdoorAcorn: Are you logged into phabricator?) [09:44:14] i suspect you would need to be in the Trusted-Contributors project [10:09:47] @waldyrious you are now [10:22:56] If you didn't get food yet, now is a great moment to go! Lunch is available outside until 14:00 (for the next 40min). [10:38:39] We're going to turn off GWToolset from Commons, this is your last chance to complain [10:39:36] (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270911) [10:41:03] Can anyone help me wrap up an old (2014) patch to the installer.php script? It needs rebasing and I'd be happy to do that, but it would help to get assistance from someone who's familiar with that script. Here's the gerrit link: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/133222 [10:44:01] I was denied too... 🥲 (re @wmtelegram_bot: i suspect you would need to be in the Trusted-Contributors project) [10:45:10] Apparently anyone can add other people the trusted contributors group, so I'll go ahead and add you too [10:47:01] Try now, @albertoleoncio [10:51:51] Is there a way to get a webstorm open source license? 🤔 [11:13:27] Any commons admins here who can help in adding OGG here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-VideoCutTool.js#L-6 ? Thanks! [11:14:07] You probably need Commons IAs, not admins :) [11:15:07] I see that you have written about it on the talk page a year ago, but you never put an editprotected template [11:16:51] Aah probably I missed it. Do you by any chance have the required access to add them in script? (re @Thecladis: I see that you have written about it on the talk page a year ago, but you never put an editprotected template) [11:17:15] Nope, I don't, so let's wait for someone else :) [11:19:13] Coming up at #wmhack #wmhack2023 [11:19:13] 🕰️14:30 [11:19:15] [11:19:16] Get setup with MediaWiki and build a skin [11:19:18] [11:19:19] 📍 MachineWorks Workshop Room [11:25:28] Coming up at #wmhack #wmhack2023 [11:25:28] 🕰️14:30 [11:25:30] [11:25:31] An introduction to Codex: the design system for Wikimedia \n [11:25:33] [11:25:34] 📍 MachineWorks Workshop Room [11:25:36] 📝 Etherpad: https://bit.ly/3onRfoB" [11:25:50] Are there any phabricator tasks for OpenStreetMap related task, Flutter game generator task and Chat GPT related one? I have heard them at opening but now can't find much about them. [11:31:54] Does someone know how to turn on the lights in the Warehouse Workshop room? [11:32:28] (The room where the GitLab session is taking place) [11:32:47] @karenamandah can you help? (re @Timo: Does someone know how to turn on the lights in the Warehouse Workshop room?) [11:33:18] Lighting in the Warehouse Workshop Room is currently insufficient. Assistance in turning on the lights would be greatly helpful. [11:33:28] Yes [11:33:37] I will be right there [11:34:54] can you add an {{edit request}} to the talk page? then I can do it (re @gopavasanth: Any commons admins here who can help in adding OGG here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-VideoCutTool.js#L-6 ...) [11:35:04] Done, Added it. (re @lucaswerkmeister: can you add an {{edit request}} to the talk page? then I can do it) [11:41:10] I replied there – maybe we can also sit together for a moment once the Codex session is over (re @gopavasanth: Done, Added it.) [11:42:33] Sure. but for FI. VideoCutTool (https://videocuttool.wmcloud.org/) handles OGG audio files as well in trimming the sounds and re-uploading back to the commons. (re @lucaswerkmeister: I replied there – maybe we can also sit together for a moment once the Codex session is over) [11:58:28] Coming up at #wmhack #wmhack2023 [11:58:28] 🕰️15:00 [11:58:30] [11:58:31] WikiGPT - Natural Language search results based on Wikipedia knowledge and ChatGPT [11:58:33] 📍 MachineWorks Workshop Room [11:58:34] 📝 Etherpad: https://bit.ly/3IqhaTk [12:26:44] Is the WIiGPT session streamed? [12:27:01] Thank you Lucas, OGG is working with VCT now!!! (re @gopavasanth: Sure. but for FI. VideoCutTool handles OGG audio files as well in trimming the sounds and re-uploading back to the commons.) [12:27:18] the session happening now? no 🙁 (re @salgo60: Is the WikiGPT session streamed?) [12:27:35] Only opening and closing sessions will be streamed/recorded. (re @salgo60: Is the WikiGPT session streamed?) [12:28:04] The notes are here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmh2023-WikiGPT_-_NL_search_results (re @salgo60: Is the WikiGPT session streamed?) [12:29:39] Thanks how to get a password? to https://wiki-gpt.toolforge.org/ [12:30:20] password: wikitest (re @salgo60: Thanks how to get a password? to https://wiki-gpt.toolforge.org/) [12:35:37] One user case I would like to see is sendin in text from the Parlament and get NER and getting Wiki articles on the subject in the articles... [12:39:35] if anyone wants invites for the Wikis World Mastodon server or wants to learn more about it - come find me or taavi or @lucaswerkmeister! - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikis_World [12:39:37] Please be gentle with this - it's not live to the public yet and we do have concerns of it being hijacked to be trained in ways that don't follow our values. Please don't promote this outside of this channel. Thanks! (re @salgo60: Thanks how to get a password? to https://wiki-gpt.toolforge.org/) [12:41:09] right now we’re even spread across more than one table! :D (re @wmtelegram_bot: if anyone wants invites for the Wikis World Mastodon server or wants to learn more about it - come find me or taavi or...) [12:46:28] Please invite me salgo60 it would be nice t understand the possibilities...We are right now using Wikidata together with researchers doing TEI of historical Swedish Parlament data and it would be nice to understand what can be done.... https://github.com/welfare-state-analytics/riksdagen-corpus the corpus they produce with person speaking same as Wikidata* Swedish Wikidata has all Swedish PM members since 1889 https://git [12:54:47] There is a thumbnail on this page that is squished in the wrong dimensions. I uploaded a new version of this image to Commons >15 minutes ago, it seems Wikitech is holding on to meta data somewhere that I can't purge. https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikimediaDebug#Request_profiling [12:54:48] [12:54:49] I've purged the commons file page, the wikitech file page, the wikitech article, and also done dummy (and real) edits and previews, but it keeps showing in the wrong dimensions. [12:55:17] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/2a646824/file_48233.jpg [12:55:19] legoktm: feel free to send me an invite for wikis.world :] `hashar@free.fr` [12:55:35] not sure whether I will be actively following it though, I have already have sooo many channels [12:57:01] Please join us in celebrating our outstanding tech contributors in the Wikimedia movement! If you know someone that in your opinion should be celebrated for their work, please participate to our informal survey at https://w.wiki/6f8A [12:57:32] Fun fact right now there are 320 devices connected to the Wi-Fi network. If a device is inactive for more than 10 minutes it gets disconnected from the network and a new connection is needed [13:43:16] is there a virtual social space for the hackathon or any live video streams? ;) [13:44:37] I think this is the virtual place… some sessions are live-streamed though [13:45:05] one year there was some 2D mmorpg with video which was very fun [13:45:20] Only the opening/closing ceremonies - the wifi has been struggling as is. [13:45:29] 2 years actually :) (re @wmtelegram_bot: one year there was some 2D mmorpg with video which was very fun) [13:45:51] wifi issues sounds like a good hackathon :-] [13:46:12] What's a hackathon without a few issues? [13:47:09] there is a hackathon for which I think I wrote 3 lines of code and I don't think I opened my computer more than a handful of time. All time spent helping, talking etc [13:47:26] Yep.. Pretty bustling here. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/a7463133/file_48234.jpg [13:56:25] / [13:56:25] In case anyone is interested in debuggint this, I'm in the main hacking room toward the front of the stage. It's apparently sticky even after an hour of time passing and lots of more purges. (re @Timo: There is a thumbnail on this page that is squished in the wrong dimensions. I uploaded a new version of this image to Commons >1...) [13:56:58] Nelly says hi : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/e42304f5/file_48236.jpg [13:58:01] lots of attendees in a single room...is it getting hot in therre? [13:58:24] @Barrio1234 or anyone else, if you want to play with rubik’s cubes (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Xhe18shio9o63f5u) or juggling, let me know or just find my bag under the sweets table ^^ [13:58:26] Bit of a breeze, lots of big open doors [13:59:00] Not so much, doors are wide open and there are air conditioners working to cool a bit the air (re @mahir256: lots of attendees in a single room...is it getting hot in therre?) [13:59:14] (apologies to those not familiar with the rapper Nelly's song "Hot in Herre") [14:02:30] Open doors and air conditioners on seems like you're trying to cool down the whole world then. (re @Sannita: Not so much, doors are wide open and there are air conditioners working to cool a bit the air) [14:03:17] https://youtu.be/GeZZr_p6vB8 is the song in question (re @mahir256: (apologies to those not familiar with the rapper Nelly's song "Hot in Herre")) [14:03:19] I see no air conditioners, the breakout spaces are pretty warm [14:03:53] I said plural, but there's only one, and probably it's not working right now, apologies for the fake news (re @Jan_ainali: Open doors and air conditioners on seems like you're trying to cool down the whole world then.) [14:04:05] * subbu[m] waves at the hackathon attendees [14:04:18] ❤️ subbu [14:05:00] I am not at the hackathon, but good to see of pics and the scroll here. [14:18:28] Would anybody be interested in a chess workshop during lunch tomorrow? Does anybody have a cheap chess set they could bring to the venue tomorrow? (A chess set you would not cry if a piece was lost.) Is there a toy store somewhere near the hotel or the venue where I could buy 2-3 cheap chess sets? [14:21:53] Has anyone here ever tried loading a Wikidata dump into Apache TinkerPop? [14:21:54] https://github.com/costezki/rdf2gremlin [14:24:14] sounds like Tinkerbell the fairy's less successful cousin [14:26:00] can anybody help us out. I am making AJAX calls to commons-query.Wikimedia.org. I am getting 307 due to not authenticated, but I am OAuth authenticated. How can I pass those cookies/tokens to commons-query.wikimedia.org? Some headers maybe? [14:26:41] My AJAX call does contain CORS headers (Allow-Origin) including for credentials (Allow-Credentials) [14:31:44] Test [14:31:52] FYI, I've requested that a new interwiki prefix for the Toolhub be added to the Wikimedia wikis: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map#toolhub.wikimedia.org — cc @bd808, @amire80, legoktm (should actually be legoktm8 to follow the sequence 😄) [14:42:32] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337050 [14:42:33] Sorry my mistake. I wanted to start tomorrow, but am open to talk about it anytime :) (re @Neslihan: Are there any phabricator tasks for OpenStreetMap related task, Flutter game generator task and Chat GPT related one? I have hea...) [14:53:12] We have no shortage of exceptional community members among tech contributors. Be sure they get properly wikicelebrated, by nominating someone in our informal survey at https://w.wiki/6f8A [14:53:53] ℹ️ *Dinner is starting soon! Here's what you need to know: [14:53:54] *- dinner will be available *from 18:00 to 19:30*, outdoors in front of Machineworks [14:53:55] - don't forget to *bring your badge* with you to get food [14:53:57] - in your badge, you will also find *2 tickets marked "Friday"*, these will give you access to *2 alcoholic drinks* if you want some (accessible at the bar near the food until 19:30) [14:53:58]