[05:02:27] Hello all, and welcome to Day 3 of the Wikimedia Hackathon! [05:02:28] Information about some changes in the venue today: [05:02:29] The courtyard of Machineworks is not available to us anymore, as they are setting up for a jazz festival starting tomorrow 🎼 [05:02:31] [05:02:32] This means the following things: [05:02:34] - the *main hacking room stays the same*, in Machineworks. Snacks, drinks and cozy corner are also still at the same place, and will be available to you starting at 8:30am :) [05:02:35] - the morning sessions have been moved to the building *Innovathens*, on 1st and 2nd floor. Check the program https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2023/Program#Sunday,_May_21st:_Hacking_and_Hackathon_closing and the map https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=File:Opening_slides_-_Wikimedia_Hackathon_2023.pdf&page=10 to find out where you need to go. [05:02:37] - *lunch* will be served at 12:30 in the courtyard in front of Innovathens (just a few minutes walk from Machineworks) [05:02:38] - for the *closing session* & showcase, starting at 14:30, we'll be back in the plenary room in Machineworks. [05:02:40] See you soon! [05:18:17] Good morning hackers. While you were sleeping I successfully built a prototype that builds a database of Wikipedia articles and reference wikitext strings that appear on them. No semantics are inferred, it's just the article and the references. More to come. [05:21:23] Anybody walking to the venue around 9? [05:23:35] hi friends, unfortunately I'm leaving today after breakfast :( I had a really great time meeting everyone and can't wait to keep working together online! [05:30:31] It's mine! 😅 (re @TiagoLubiana: did anyone leave that at the hotel rooftop?) [05:37:43] Hey there. I will be walking around then. I'll meet you in the lobby? (re @zeljkof: Anybody walking to the venue around 9?) [05:40:57] The announcements bot schedule is also updated. 👍 (re @Auregann: Hello all, and welcome to Day 3 of the Wikimedia Hackathon! [05:40:58] Information about some changes in the venue today: [05:40:59] The courtyard of ...) [05:50:03] Does bridgebot cope with sending some sort of reaction when we emoji-react on Telegram to a bridged message? [05:50:38] No. I remember asking that [05:51:02] Therefore, legoktm: you have sad emoji reactions to your message. [05:52:53] Thanks for taking the time to do the floss survey 😀 [05:52:53] If you finish it at some point feel free to share your findings here and ping me. (re @wmtelegram_bot: hi friends, unfortunately I'm leaving today after breakfast :( I had a really great time meeting everyone and can't wa...) [05:57:18] Interesting! I'm still collecting ideas for queries. [05:57:19] Feel free to reply to this message and rell me what you want to know about references in Wikipedias [05:57:20] @fuzheado @diegodlh [05:57:22] Do we want a public list of usernames sorted by the number of references edited or added? [05:57:23] With my model we will be able to do that across wikis and per wiki 😀 (re @harej: Good morning hackers. While you were sleeping I successfully built a prototype that builds a database of Wikipedia articles and ...) [05:57:29] It's been great to have you around! See you next time! (re @wmtelegram_bot: hi friends, unfortunately I'm leaving today after breakfast :( I had a really great time meeting everyone and can't wa...) [06:06:10] The side gate to technopolis is currently closed [06:13:47] There's also a separate WikiProject Biodiversity Telegram channel for Wikimedians who are into, well, biodiversity. Channel is heavily skewed towards Wikidata and data/image reuse across platforms. Let me know if anyone would like me to add them! (re @TiagoLubiana: Apparently some of us here are into open biodiversity knowledge on Wiki (at least me, @trnstlntk and @Jdlrobson!) so I create a ...) [06:14:46] I will forever remember that moment when you killed GWT 😉 (re @wmtelegram_bot: hi friends, unfortunately I'm leaving today after breakfast :( I had a really great time meeting everyone and can't wa...) [06:19:43] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2023/Program once says Acropol starts at 17:00, once says starts at 18:00. Anyone knows what's the more correct one? [06:20:48] You can join via this link: https://t.me/+Ym3OcFnmtwJhMzc0 (re @trnstlntk: There's also a separate WikiProject Biodiversity Telegram channel for Wikimedians who are into, well, biodiversity. Channel is h...) [06:25:05] Anyone have a HDMI to usb-c adapter for the technical writing session? [06:25:47] I have one, I’m currently in floor 2 of Innovathens (re @kostajh: Anyone have a HDMI to usb-c adapter for the technical writing session?) [06:26:15] gave it to Srishti, she’s on her way [06:26:25] Ευχαριστώ! [06:31:10] These two sessions are starting in Innovathens now! If you need help finding the venue, please let us know. (re @wmhack2023_announcements_bot: Coming up at #wmhack #wmhack2023 [06:31:11] 🕰️09:30 [06:31:13] [06:31:14] Toolforge Build Service beta preview [06:31:16] 📍 Innovathens Level 2 [06:31:17] 📝 Etherpad: https://b...) [06:32:55] Could you drop a pen please? 😊 (re @srishakatux: These two sessions are starting in Innovathens now! If you need help finding the venue, please let us know.) [06:34:51] In which room? (re @OutdoorAcorn: Could you drop a pen please? 😊) [06:36:18] Found it, here's a pin! [06:44:01] Hello all! As noted before if any issues arise regarding safety please don't hesitate to reach out to us (this is a private account hosted by the event safety team). You can also email hackathon@wikimedia.org or find us in the space. Happy Day 3 🎉 [06:44:42] Dinner is available from 17:00 on. Fixed, thanks! (re @andreklapper: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2023/Program once says Acropol starts at 17:00, once says starts at 18:00. An...) [06:45:58] Photo of session room taking place on level 1 above ground in Innovathens [06:45:59] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/0fca37fa/file_48343.jpg [06:46:23] Photo of session room taking place on level 2 above ground in Innovathens [06:46:25] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/2ab53254/file_48344.jpg [07:09:22] Great! How is this different to the Wikipedia Citation Database? Or is this the Wikipedia Citation Database? :) (re @harej: Good morning hackers. While you were sleeping I successfully built a prototype that builds a database of Wikipedia articles and ...) [07:11:59] Maybe @nidiahz @gifontenelle @putnik and Pablo Aragon (Wikimedia Research; is he here Isaac @martingerlach ?) would be interested too (re @dpriskorn: Interesting! I'm still collecting ideas for queries. [07:12:01] Feel free to reply to this message and rell me what you want to know about ...) [07:21:01] Also coming up but not announced is “Using Patch demo to test or demonstrate patches outside of your local dev environment (or without one)” in Innovathens Level 2 [07:23:50] What time is this on? [07:23:50] We (mistakenly?) have this scheduled on the bot for 11:00. [07:23:52] Is this the correct time or is it 10:30? (re @kemayo: Also coming up but not announced is “Using Patch demo to test or demonstrate patches outside of your local dev environment (or w...) [07:24:40] Bartosz, who is giving the talk, went over to the room to be there for the 10:30 time. (re @DimitriosRingas: What time is this on? [07:24:41] We (mistakenly?) have this scheduled on the bot for 11:00. [07:24:43] Is this the correct time or is it 10:30?) [07:25:14] I don’t know who’s the one with the misapprehension. 🧐 [07:29:50] I was planning it for 11:00, but I am already here if anyone wants to talk. I just came over early to figure out the setup [07:30:48] Please ask someone to take notes of your session! 🙂 (re @Bartosz: I was planning it for 11:00, but I am already here if anyone wants to talk. I just came over early to figure out the setup) [07:32:10] Oh yes - I'll find you today @harej to see more! (re @diegodlh: Maybe @nidiahz @gifontenelle @putnik and Pablo Aragon (Wikimedia Research; is he here Isaac @martingerlach ?) would be intereste...) [07:34:40] Bartosz is just well-prepared then, and I am overzealous! [07:46:41] will there be a livestream of the showcase? [07:47:52] yes, as far as I know (re @wmtelegram_bot: will there be a livestream of the showcase?) [07:48:36] Yeah, I read it in the email sent this morning :) [07:50:21] Yes, again on the Mediawiki Youtube channel, starting at 14:30 local time (UTC+3) [07:52:19] @Jayprakash12345 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T294533#7464949 I think will help you make a reverse proxy to your backend tool. [07:53:22] Amir1: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/+/921665 [07:54:10] There is a new private group for reference Explorer and Wiki Citations Database here https://t.me/+VuJpwOtAPMA5NDQ0 (re @diegodlh: Maybe @nidiahz @gifontenelle @putnik and Pablo Aragon (Wikimedia Research; is he here Isaac @martingerlach ?) would be intereste...) [08:00:38] Does anyone know where TheDJ is? [08:05:36] anyone have an idea on how sqlalchemy should be setup with toolsdb? I seem to be getting connections leaked with NullPool. [08:11:03]

" Does anyone know..." <- Hoping to be useful, and hoping to do not disclose anything, I think you can find TheDJ in the same place as usual :D [08:23:01] Hi everyone! This is a friendly reminder that we're looking for outstanding contributors in the technical field in the Wikimedia environment. Please nominate someone that we can celebrate this month, by participating to our informal survey at https://w.wiki/6f8A [08:25:36] ‼️The dinner this evening is NOT at the rooftop of the Lighthouse Brown but at *Brown Acropol Hotel. *This hotel *is *across the roundabout from the Lighthouse Brown hotel. It’s a 2 minute/150 meter walk. [08:33:09] @amire80 https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/amire80/scriptology/-/merge_requests/1/diffs?commit_id=31d680dab5a049524aa1b5bf8595afafd3ac63ad [08:34:59] Who can I have a chat with about Cloud VPS? [08:36:18] me. But I'm currently on a session, meet you later (re @ferdi2005: Who can I have a chat with about Cloud VPS?) [08:36:44] Thank you, meet you at lunch! (re @arturoborrero: me. But I'm currently on a session, meet you later) [08:39:30] 37.983616, 23.727311 [08:39:31] https://osm.org/go/xxSiuzzh-?m= (re @siebrand: ‼️The dinner this evening is NOT at the rooftop of the Lighthouse Brown but at Brown Acropol Hotel. This hotel is across the rou...) [08:40:39] Amir1: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/+/921665 [08:46:40] @ferdi2005: or you can come find me now [08:52:56] Isaac, Slavina: Could you please lend your adaptor / port convertor to the next presenter before you leave the session space? Thanks! [08:52:59] He is in the ML session now (re @Jdlrobson: Does anyone know where TheDJ is?) [09:00:00] Joe can you find me, please? [09:03:41] Dreamy_Jazz: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/tools/code-utils/+/master/git-hooks/pre-commit-phpcs [09:06:25] Dreamy_Jazz: Also the ticket about ICP changes T330641 [09:06:27] T330641: Switch from LoadBalancer::getConnection() to ICP::getReplicaDatabase/getPrimaryDatabase - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T330641 [09:08:42] I'm confused... the current sessions don't seem to match what's in the schedule? [09:09:16] Uploaded my new extension [not wikimedia targeted] - my own version of Extension:Widegts but with no smarty. Check it out https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-HTMLTemplates [09:15:30] if you're talking about locations, all the sessions are in the round Innovathens building (re @Nikki: I'm confused... the current sessions don't seem to match what's in the schedule?) [09:15:38] I'm sat in there [09:16:18] the schedule was moved around on Thursday, but I think the sessions stayed mostly stable since then? [09:17:00] I went to level 2 at 12:00 and it was something about outreachy (re @wmhack2023_announcements_bot: Coming up at #wmhack #wmhack2023 [09:17:01] 🕰️12:00 [09:17:02] [09:17:04] Toolhub, Toolhunt, and the quest to improve tool discoverability [09:17:05] 📍 Innovathens Lev...) [09:17:35] but I’m on level 2 and the Toolhunt session just wrapped up [09:17:38] are we counting floors differently? [09:18:19] middle and top floor [09:18:59] it’s the top floor, I’m still there [09:19:07] Are you in the correct round building? There seem to be two next to each other [09:19:39] Here's a pin (re @OutdoorAcorn: ) [09:22:05] A quick reminder: the tickets we have are not valid for traveling to the airport! [09:22:05] *Lunch* will be served from 12:30 to 14:00 in a different location than the previous days: we will go to the *courtyard near the Innovathens* building (take the left street after leaving Machineworks). You can leave your belongings inside Machineworks, we will keep an eye on it. See you there! [09:22:42] Randomly: Interesting Google Doodle reflecting today in Athens: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/94b72337/file_48356.jpg [09:24:21] Hi all - the Safety team has been made aware that some areas within the venue are under CCTV surveillance. This was of course not communicated to attendees, and for that we apologise. We spoke with the Security staff at the venue who confirmed that the footage will be automatically deleted after one week, and will not be shared more widely than the venue's Security staff unless t [09:24:22] here is an incident requiring this (e.g. theft, assualt, etc). Again - apologies for any upset or distress caused by this. [09:29:08] how long do we have to add things to the showcase notes? [09:29:50] who was looking for me last night? [09:29:57] 13:30. Until one hour before it starts at 14:30. (re @lucaswerkmeister: how long do we have to add things to the showcase notes?) [09:30:33] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/28ec0c03/file_48358.jpg [09:30:47] Hi! We are officially out of T-Shirts! Thank you so much for getting some of them and take them with you ✨ [09:31:13] or rather: who came over and told me they wanted to talk to me about bot things - I didn't catch your name so I don't know who to look out for 😅 (re @Nikki: who was looking for me last night?) [09:32:17] Wasn't it @Hugo_Lz? (re @Nikki: or rather: who came over and told me they wanted to talk to me about bot things - I didn't catch your name so I don't know who t...) [09:33:10] By the way - I left an iPhone cable (usb c) by the projector yesterday. If someone found it please drop it by the organizers room (the small room inside the main hacking space) :) Help a distracted organizer today - thank you! [09:35:46] Dunno if it's Air Canada or because it's Sunday, I had to wait 1:45 in line to drop my bag. Plan ahead :/ [09:36:15] oh no. that's good to know! [09:37:14] Hugo is in the main hacking room (languages table); he proposes to meet you at lunch or later. (re @Nikki: or rather: who came over and told me they wanted to talk to me about bot things - I didn't catch your name so I don't know who t...) [09:39:27] ahh, sure. I'm currently on the top floor of this round building, having eventually found lucas (but I still don't understand why the sessions didn't appear to be the right ones :P) [09:46:37] I added a section with projects that don’t need to be showcased, so the written documentation afterwards can have a more complete record of what happened – I think we had something like that in past years too (re @siebrand: 13:30. Until one hour before it starts at 14:30.) [09:47:05] (my hackathon experience included, not unusually, plenty of small things that aren’t worth showcasing but that I still want to remember later ^^) [09:48:09] Showcase it! [09:48:25] There are still a lot of empty project slots in the showcase etherpad. If you would like to demo something, now is the last call :) https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmh2023-Wikimedia_Hackathon_2023_Project_Showcase. [09:50:05] We will be using one laptop for all the presentations. So if you would like to get comfortable using a different keyboard, come to the podium area :) (re @srishakatux: There are still a lot of empty project slots in the showcase etherpad. If you would like to demo something, now is the last call...) [10:04:36] [FYI: Train to airport] If you plan to take Metro line #3 to the airport: It runs about every 35min. Exact timetable: https://stasy.gr/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/ΕΝ_ΠΙΝΑΚΕΣ-ΔΡΟΜΟΛΟΓΙΩΝ-ΑΕΡΟΔΡΟΜΙΟΥ_ΔΗΜ.-ΘΕΑΤΡΟ-ΠΡΟΣ-ΑΕΡΟΔΡΟΜΙΟ_17.10.22.pdf [10:46:48] some jenkins jobs look stuck, making it impossible to merge changes: https://integration.wikimedia.org/zuul/ is anyone around who could bonk them? [10:53:08] I bonked it, let’s see if it helps [10:53:33] Nice. [10:54:30] shame ’bout all those jobs that now need to rerun [10:54:38] but that stuck job was clearly dead, nothing to be done about it [10:54:58] (but also, I think it would’ve timed out in about 15 minutes anyways, IIRC the timeout is one hour) [10:55:21] Tbh, one job that was failing seemed to be a random failure so that shouldn't need to have a re +2 [10:59:55] Anyone good at debugging jest (Javascript unit test framework)? Upgrading from Jest 27 to Jest 29 is throwing all sorts of errors in Twinkle. I've tried randomly adding async/await everywhere but am still stuck. Comments in the ticket, or pair programming at my table, would be welcome. https://github.com/wikimedia-gadgets/twinkle/issues/1780 [11:02:29] 📯 The *closing session* will start in 30min, at 14:30 local time (UTC+3). For people onsite, meet in the *plenary space of Machineworks*, and make sure to *bring a chair* from the hacking space with you! [11:02:29] [11:02:31] For people attending online, you will be able to watch the closing and showcase live on the Mediawiki Youtube channel. [11:02:40] Hi! Someone left this at the Machineworks workshop space, I will leave it at the organizers room pop in if it’s yours! : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/1169b015/file_48364.jpg [11:03:13] As a reminder for people who signed up to present during the showcase: you will have 2min and you will only have access to the presenter’s laptop, so make sure that your demo is accessible by a link from the Etherpad: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmh2023-Wikimedia_Hackathon_2023_Project_Showcase [11:16:50] Maybe @Soylacarli would be interested too! (re @diegodlh: Maybe @nidiahz @gifontenelle @putnik and Pablo Aragon (Wikimedia Research; is he here Isaac @martingerlach ?) would be intereste...) [11:19:15] Folks in the hacking space- you all can start moving your chairs to the opening area / close to the stage now. Showcase will start in 10 minutes. [11:20:44] Question: Are we supposed to upload a screen recording somewhere (and use it during presentqation), or are we gonna connect our own machines? [11:20:56] Where can I send a screenshot for the showcase? [11:21:35] you will only have access to the presenter laptop, so make sure that your demo is accessible by a link from the Etherpad [11:28:57] video upload to Google drive is sooo sloooow nowww [11:30:35] Reduce the size or you can change the order of your demo in the Etherpad. (re @tonythomas01: video upload to Google drive is sooo sloooow nowww) [11:33:27] I uploaded to phabricator (re @wmtelegram_bot: you will only have access to the presenter laptop, so make sure that your demo is accessible by a link from the Etherpad) [11:33:30] We managed. Also uploading to Youtube just to be safe when one-click running. [11:36:21] Anyone can paste the livestream link here? [11:36:53] Has the youtube stream started? [11:37:20] It hasn't, for some reason. [11:37:52] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd-kckDEaR0 [11:37:55] Yes! It got delayed by a minute or two. [11:45:05] About the only audible bit on YouTube so far was just then when he said something about the microphone [11:45:57] Hello! Someone dropped their hotel card. I will also leave it at the organizers table: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/5134c54f/file_48372.jpg [11:46:29] For folks watching online - there is an echo for sure and apologies for that - we are in a very old building with a lot of concrete and metal so the sound is bouncing. [11:49:44] Thanks to whoever added the .gitmessage commit template notes in https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmh2023-Improve_your_technical_writing [11:49:52] here’s my backup of the showcase etherpad contents, should have been relatively up to date before everything was cleared: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/hackathon-showcase-before-the-catastrophe [11:50:51] you can recover any previus version using the version slider (clock with round arrow around it, in the top right icon bar) [11:51:17] just step back with the arrow until it looks good and then copy & paste [11:51:39] or if that doesn’t work: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P48404 [11:54:33] Next in showcase: [11:54:34] Edward betts [11:54:35] Lilients, bawollf [11:54:58] hi [11:55:01] ready [11:56:07] Next: gopavasanth [11:57:12] Lilients: im assuming you are going to do the presentation for both of us? [12:00:21] Yes! (re @wmtelegram_bot: Lilients: im assuming you are going to do the presentation for both of us?) [12:01:15] Next: 10. Alberto leoncio and 11. A. Leoncio again [12:05:28] Next: dimitrios and spyros [12:05:39] Next 13. Chico [12:07:37] Chico please come next to me [12:09:53] Next 14 amir ladsgroup [12:10:19] Next 15 bawollf [12:10:47] Cool bot ✌️ (re @wmhack2023_announcements_bot: Coming up at #wmhack #wmhack2023 [12:10:47] 🕰️12:30 [12:10:49] [12:10:50] Lunch provided at 📍 Technopolis) [12:12:44] Really cool bot! Recommended for use for future Wikimedia events :) (re @tonythomas01: Cool bot ✌️) [12:12:52] Next 16 alexey [12:13:04] Next 17 diegolh [12:14:09] Already being discussed internally for Wikimania 2023. :D (re @srishakatux: Really cool bot! Recommended for use for future Wikimedia events :)) [12:15:56] Rip my demo. I think i didnt test in chrome [12:17:37] what if I don't want my discussion text to be fed into ChatGPT? [12:19:29] Next jon harald [12:19:40] Next Barbara [12:21:59] A very good question. I wonder what is the "copyright"/legal around user discussion in wiki spaces. (re @lucaswerkmeister: what if I don't want my discussion text to be fed into ChatGPT?) [12:22:33] I believe it's the same as any other content: CC-BY-SA (re @tonythomas01: A very good question. I wonder what is the "copyright"/legal around user discussion in wiki spaces.) [12:22:58] Next 1veertje [12:24:47] Next @bozzy [12:27:19] Wikimedia Hackathon 2023: Closing, Documentation and Survey now available by email [12:29:19] /legal [12:29:39] /legal [12:29:40] Next amir [12:34:27] Next tgr and waldyrious [12:34:28] Next andrew lih [12:35:41] Next tchanders [12:36:15] Next number 29 please add name [12:36:25]