[01:00:29] does mediaviewer support photo spheres? [01:39:25] some tasks just got opened under https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138933 [02:38:48] I will also bring some moroccan coins, maybe you can add them to your brother's collection 😄 (re @nokibsarkar: I am not very much interested in coin collection, but my younger brother is very very very much passionate about coin collection...) [04:57:12] Waiting at the gate for my flight and @Sic19 just found me! [05:26:32] Were you lost? [05:28:22] Nice and foggy this morning [06:47:01] So far so good. What’s going on? (re @tehreedy: Some flight disruption in Europe tomorrow morning if people are coming in a little early) [06:50:08] Fog in the UK. Was showing as some expected issues across Europe [06:50:39] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/1ebf8dbe/file_60324.jpg [07:21:39] View from the hotel restaurant. The weather is great. Architecture isn’t going to change overnight. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/055cecb5/file_60326.jpg [07:22:19] is that a challenge? [07:22:53] You mean the architecture, Taavi? [07:24:03] The Fins demolish everything after 30 years to build something better, is what a business contact in Espoo told me. No idea how they do it here in Tallin. [07:40:57] Flying from Amsterdam tomorrow, guess there will be some familiar faces on that flight? [07:44:45] Hi, is tallinn UTC +2 or +3? [07:46:23] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/a970a9dd/file_60327.jpg [07:46:49] We're in Amsterdam, just about to board our flight. [07:46:54] 10:45 now (re @nokibsarkar: Hi, is tallinn UTC +2 or +3?) [07:47:05] So +3, really didn't think about that... [07:48:11] IN UTC + 6, it is 13:45. So, it is 3 hours behind. (re @MaartenDammers: 10:45 now) [07:49:02] What about SIM cards? Where should I buy them or do I need to buy them at all? [07:49:13] Waves from another part of Amsterdam 👋 (re @EdwardBetts: We're in Amsterdam, just about to board our flight.) [07:56:57] If your phone works with an eSIM then you can buy one from the Airalo app. (re @nokibsarkar: What about SIM cards? Where should I buy them or do I need to buy them at all?) [08:06:12] Mike, this will be great and it will be a great way of bringing back the youth to Wikimedia projects. Imagine a VR that allows you to transverse seamlessly via wiki pages and projects of your interest (re @mikepeel: Is anyone interested in trying VR/developing something vr+wiki related? Wondering if it’s worth me bringing my meta quest 2.) [08:11:37] me neither (and I just realised that my tomorrow trip will be one hour longer than what I thought :/ ) (re @sjoerddebruin: So +3, really didn't think about that...) [08:12:18] Well, you still have time to download an extra episode of your favourite show [08:12:46] There are also tickets about improving support for 3D models and scenes in Commons (re @Dnshitobu: Mike, this will be great and it will be a great way of bringing back the youth to Wikimedia projects. Imagine a VR that allows y...) [08:35:44] One hour shorter, surely? (re @Nicolas: me neither (and I just realised that my tomorrow trip will be one hour longer than what I thought :/ )) [08:48:40] damn, I'm *always* confused (re @jhsoby: One hour shorter, surely?) [10:02:28] That was my team (Mobile apps). We enabled the iOS app on VisionOS to see what the possibilities are, but we didn’t develop anything new for this version. More than happy to chat about it with anyone interested! (re @mikepeel: There was a recent diff post with some ideas, but I think apple only, don’t know if other approaches exist (I’m relatively new t...) [10:07:19] It's a waste of money for the limited user base atm [10:13:05] The smile on the border guards face in Helsinki airport when I said the conference was about Wikipedia 😃 [10:15:30] Continued efficient space usage. Such a waste when you get 4 stamps to a page : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/c973672e/file_60332.jpg [10:34:56] Anyone at Tallinn airport now and would like to share a ride to the hotel? [10:40:19] You get stamps because you’re from outside Schengen? (re @tehreedy: Continued efficient space usage. Such a waste when you get 4 stamps to a page) [10:40:33] Yup, Brexit benefit [10:40:40] My passport is nearly full [10:40:52] I think many are probably there. @MaartenDammers @EdwardBetts (re @robertsky: Anyone at Tallinn airport now and would like to share a ride to the hotel?) [10:41:02] then you can get a nice blue one [10:43:55] Of lower quality apparently [10:44:22] is there a page somewhere to coordinates for arrival and departure? (there was one for other events but can't find one for this hackathon) ? [10:44:35] anyway, I'll arrive tomorrow at 19:35 at the airport [10:46:15] It seems Helsinki airport got rid of its luggage lockers :( [10:48:19] Some people in WMF are good, I do consider you to be one of them, having had positive interactions with you even. Some are not so much. Some are good as people but enable WMF doing things that are not so good. That being said when we are talking about things such as the "improved" Vector it is indeed "the WMF". It is not a decision by individual people that [10:48:19] excludes the other peo [10:48:20] ple. It is a decision by the collective body of WMF, its internal processes being a blackbox for people outside. [10:48:22] Now I know that some people do support the things I hate, but I would really want to see how do they imagine something like limited width can potentially align with something like using a VR set. It is like going to that fancy movie theatre with projection also on the walls but the movie itself was shot on a phone in portrait orientation. (re @wmtelegram_bot: [10:48:22] @Thecladis: [10:48:23] random pot shots at "the WMF" may hit actual humans. Please think of the people behind what you are seeing a...) [10:48:44] @tehreedy: do you have time in Helsinki before travelling onwards? [10:48:57] I’m here for about 24H :) [10:49:39] AY1019 tomorrow at 1400 to TLL [10:50:54] aha. any plans? :-) [10:51:05] Going to my hotel… beyond that, nope! [10:51:41] Open to plans, ideas, dinner etc later [10:52:05] I should be free in about an hour [10:52:28] I need to finish packing but could be interested after that [11:01:01] AntiComposite: I think Tim Starling is working on adding support. (re @wmtelegram_bot: does mediaviewer support photo spheres?) [11:04:09] R Kiosk you can buy 5-days public transport card : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/a8bc68d3/file_60333.jpg [11:10:29] These kind of sarcastic comments are generally unhelpful. They erode trust that people will take each other and each other's opinion seriously, it makes everyone more annoyed with each other, and it harms your own ability to have good-faith discussions on the topic in the future. If you have a problem with a thing, talk about that thing instead of taking potshots. [11:10:29] (re @Thecladis: [11:10:29] Some people in WMF are good, I do consider you to be one of them, having had positive interactions with you. Some are not so muc...) [11:10:58] I see that here is a club of peoplewho like coins, and a club of those who like sweets from different countries. So, I will be bringing some chocolates stylised as coins. Hope you'll like them 😉 [11:18:01] (But let's park this discussion until better times I guess, nothing can be changed right now anyway) [11:43:52] In a similar vein, how's it ok to fly people from Helsinki to Tallinn when there are ferries? 🤯 [11:46:15] taavi, Reedy, https://vapaatorstai.fi/ is next week but the list of places is a valid suggestion; also, snow has melted on kaivopuisto [11:58:55] I wish every border guards and emigration officers were like this :-) (re @tehreedy: The smile on the border guards face in Helsinki airport when I said the conference was about Wikipedia 😃) [11:59:59] @tuukkahastrup I'm getting a ferry, it was either a few hours' wait at HEL and another flight, or a train to the ferry and a couple of hours on the ferry. Ends up getting me there at about the same time. [12:04:53] You know you can transfer from the urban train to a tram to skip some walking? (re @freosam: @tuukkahastrup I'm getting a ferry, it was either a few hours' wait at HEL and another flight, or a train to the ferry and a cou...) [12:05:39] Yep, number 9 or 7 tram, is that right? [12:06:14] I don't know how much walking I'll be up for at 6 tomorrow morning. [12:06:36] Google Maps/CityMapper are pretty good here [12:06:44] Which terminal does your ferry depart from? [12:07:26] West terminal 2 [12:10:14] the HSL app should be fine as well, and it's a convenient way to buy the ticket as well (re @tehreedy: Google Maps/CityMapper are pretty good here) [12:11:34] Is it possible to get one ticket for the train and tram? [12:11:45] yes [12:12:01] ah great [12:12:36] You can get a single valid for 90 mins [12:12:59] Which if you buy/activate just before you get your train… should be more than fine [12:13:29] oh that sounds perfect [12:14:31] You choose ticket zones A to C, and it's enough if you board the tram before the 90 mins are up [12:15:23] and you need an ABC to get from the airport to the central station anyway, so the tram is basically already included [12:16:06] A whole €4,10 [12:16:11] Heh [12:16:22] Sydney could learn a few tricks here :-P [12:20:55] The app is based on OpenStreetMap, all open data and open APIs, available here: https://www.hsl.fi/en/hsl/open-data [12:26:36] For political reasons, the native app code is not open, but everything else is here: https://github.com/HSLdevcom [12:27:24] Also deployed by Estonia here: https://web.peatus.ee/?locale=en [12:29:45] Have people got dinner plans? I'm thinking of going to III Draakon in the Old Town for dinner at 18:30, everybody is welcome to join. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2519065598 [12:36:34] Is there anyone interested in talking about this? https://www.dataspace-culturalheritage.eu/ [12:40:31] @IsmaelOlea sure, there's some more library people at the https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/AI_Sauna as well [12:43:53] Ferry is the best for me too. And some cheaper also. (re @freosam: @tuukkahastrup I'm getting a ferry, it was either a few hours' wait at HEL and another flight, or a train to the ferry and a cou...) [12:44:47] Get a EU passport. Everything will be without stamp and you can save page space! (re @tehreedy: Continued efficient space usage. Such a waste when you get 4 stamps to a page) [12:45:05] Thanks ;p [12:45:20] I'll take the Viking ferry tomorrow at 1930. We can meet there. [12:45:34] I know and it's awesome. (re @wmtelegram_bot: @IsmaelOlea sure, there's some more library people at the https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/AI_Sauna as well) [12:50:18] I know... but the flights were too late to take the ferry (and slower) (re @tuukkahastrup: In a similar vein, how's it ok to fly people from Helsinki to Tallinn when there are ferries? 🤯) [12:51:46] I will join the hackathon on Saturday, preparations keeping busy... [12:53:54] Should we reserve an space? (re @IsmaelOlea: Is there anyone interested in talking about this? https://www.dataspace-culturalheritage.eu/) [12:59:23] @Ladsgroup then you can instead have nice conversations on which Italian documents are valid for entry, as I do ;) [13:01:18] @EdwardBetts no plans yet, will probably look for a vegan-friendly place to have dinner somewhat near the hotel a bit after 19. For desserts and light meals I can recommend https://www.nop.ee/inglise in Köleri 1 (about 900 m walk), other places I have to double check yet. [13:07:00] I wish I could have this option 😅 (re @Ladsgroup: Get a EU passport. Everything will be without stamp and you can save page space!) [13:08:16] As you seem to have made an informed choice between the options, you're already contributing towards the solutions (re @Nicolas: I know... but the flights were too late to take the ferry (and slower)) [13:12:25] At least you can get an Estonian e-residency ID 😁 https://www.e-resident.gov.ee/become-an-e-resident/ (re @albertoleoncio: I wish I could have this option 😅) [13:24:46] For those who don't have a ferry ticket and accomodation to AI Sauna yet, there are still some cabins left so you can sleep on the ferry (can be cheap if you share a cabin with some others) : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/2341111d/file_60338.jpg [13:37:47] technically, in most country, you can also buy the citizenship but it's usually very costly 💶 (re @tuukkahastrup: At least you can get an Estonian e-residency ID 😁 https://www.e-resident.gov.ee/become-an-e-resident/) [13:38:22] see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrant_investor_programs [13:39:18] Good point! Although, it's not costly if you make good investments instead of bad ones 😉 (re @Nicolas: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrant_investor_programs) [13:39:44] What is the hashtag for the hackathon? [13:40:02] #wmhack I presume [13:43:19] Oh no, I've been using #WikimediaHackathon [13:46:24] 20 years ago… https://twitter.com/kajakallas/status/1785566743890481446?t=nLR8DKo1kn0yelExZsTsZw&s=19 [13:50:43] To upload to Commons for this year's event, use _Category:Wikimedia_Hackathon_2024_ [13:53:26] There's a Phab ticket for that, see its updates (re @gtisza: AntiComposite: I think Tim Starling is working on adding support.) [14:24:03] III Draakon looks good, I'll meet you there at 18:30 (re @EdwardBetts: Have people got dinner plans? I'm thinking of going to III Draakon in the Old Town for dinner at 18:30, everybody is welcome to ...) [14:52:04] Cool, see you there (re @Sic19: III Draakon looks good, I'll meet you there at 18:30) [18:01:05] III Draakon was ridiculous and fun. The lady serving was rude to the customers, it was all part of an act. [18:06:37] Where are folks grabbing a beer in Tallinn tonight? Guess I should head out in about 30min [18:07:05] Are you continuing elsewhere? We just finished dinner near the Hilton. (re @EdwardBetts: III Draakon was ridiculous and fun. The lady serving was rude to the customers, it was all part of an act.) [18:08:06] A heads-up that AI Sauna is fully booked and we have a small waitlist already. Register for the waitlist and check the status before getting on the ferry. Also, if you are unable to join, please cancel to make it possible for others to join. Hope to see you soon! [18:10:32] I'm done for the night, I'm back at my hotel. Thanks for thinking of me! (re @Fedlev: Are you continuing elsewhere? We just finished dinner near the Hilton.) [20:16:18] Trying to make camp in the Hilton lobby. Bring a glass if you’re interested in getting a sip of shared beers. [20:31:39] I'm sorry to say that we established that the piani in the Hilton lobby is very out of key. [20:34:58] wanna crowdfund €75? https://klaverihaalestaja.ee/ [20:36:06] @deb_t maybe you can arrange with the Hilton that we can use the piano this weekend and that they get it tuned? [20:36:07] (assuming @lucaswerkmeister is coming) [20:36:51] I’m there (staying in a different hotel, but as it’s also the event venue I guess it’s still relevant) [20:37:17] would be interested in at least trying it out no matter how out of tune it is ^^ [20:37:20] Done. Who arranges this? (re @mahir256: wanna crowdfund €75? https://klaverihaalestaja.ee/) [20:38:09] (hmmm, https://www.klaverihaalestus.ee/ has a base rate of €59) (re @mahir256: wanna crowdfund €75? https://klaverihaalestaja.ee/) [20:40:57] (and I don't know how long it takes to tune a piano, but https://www.klaveritekants.ee/teenused/klaveri-haalestamine/ charges €50/hour) [20:44:50] while knowing that probability is near 0, I will still ask whether anyone is travelling to Tallinn by train from Riga or Valga? [20:45:58] From the fixed tuning rate of 75 with an hourly rate of 30, I'd guess about 2.5 hours. (re @mahir256: (and I don't know how long it takes to tune a piano, but https://www.klaveritekants.ee/teenused/klaveri-haalestamine/ charges €5...) [20:54:43] that sounds about right to me tbh, might even be on the low end if it’s severely out of tune [21:07:19] Bring your own server. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/1c95ae99/file_60353.jpg [21:50:14] and sim cards! (re @MaartenDammers: R Kiosk you can buy 5-days public transport card) [21:55:59] usd 5 for a gig for a week is pretty good (re @EdwardBetts: If your phone works with an eSIM then you can buy one from the Airalo app.) [22:00:32] if anyone is interested in coworking somewhere in Tallin tomorrow let me know (I have to work on boring non-wiki stuff and I'd appreciate company) [22:09:16] about to leave the ground in denver. see you all in slightly longer than i care to think about. [22:26:47] It's easy/cheap to get an mikrotik router at Tallinn? I know that they are from Letonia, but... idk. (re @IsmaelOlea: Bring your own server.) [23:02:26] So we have to give our card for a 200 usd preauthorization at check in? [23:10:07] security deposit. in case we.. break stuff. it should not charged if there's nothing wrong with the room, as I understand from the staff. (re @ferdi2005: So we have to give our card for a 200 usd preauthorization at check in?) [23:13:37] uhh but do we have to have 200usd available in the card? I don't think i have [23:32:25] For minibar primarily. For me it’s not a problem, I was wondering (like Nat) if everybody has such a sum instantly available [23:38:34] I think in that case they can leave their passport at the reception (re @ferdi2005: For minibar primarily. For me it’s not a problem, I was wondering (like Nat) if every scholar has such a sum instantly available)