[00:14:14] Hi greg-g [00:14:46] Hey Greg! [00:14:50] But yes, I think we need more ci ;) [00:15:08] Moar tezts? [00:15:42] I’m 💤 now [00:15:44] Moar Greg?!!! [00:15:52] In any case [00:15:57] 🥱 [00:16:22] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/36173bad/animation_gif.mp4 [05:59:47] Aww but you’re also one of my goto SPARQL-wizard <3 Not too sure what you are suggesting ; do you mean to my attempts on the phab ticket ; or to the query for the "simple" case? [05:59:47] (If you would be kind enough to send me the working query [whether Phab, link here etc), that would be awesome <3 (re @Nikki: I'm neither of those people, but isn't it basically the same, but replacing ?entity with ?prop (which seems to be the statement,...) [06:01:44] Hi, to upload a pach, should I update the autoload.php too? Or just the codes I changed and the integration script would run the maintenance script automatically. [06:03:52] Also, do I have to include unit tests? [06:06:55] To mediawiki core? [06:07:18] If you’re adding a new class, you would need to run the script to update the auto loader, yes [06:07:27] And ideally yes, please add tests [06:07:53] yes (re @tehreedy: To mediawiki core?) [06:16:25] There should be some examples for language converter tests [06:23:06] First sessions starting! MediaWiki product ramp-up: direction and approach to sustainability (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363972) is in Ballroom 1 - come on over! 🙂 [06:23:59] Web Scraping (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362601) is starting in Atlantic City as well! [06:29:18] Hello, is there anyone here who is also a Diff administrator? I have some questions, I sent an email yesterday, but maybe it would be faster here. [07:00:44] Is that a room? (re @deb_t: Web Scraping is starting in Atlantic City as well!) [07:01:39] Yup. The map is shown here. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2024/Program#Room_names_and_occupancy (re @dpriskorn: Is that a room?) [07:09:40] Hi all! [07:09:41] Just a reminder that this event is enforcing the UCoC and Friendly Space Policy. If any issues arise please don't hesitate to ping us or find us in the space ⭐ [07:20:56] We all know that naming things is hard. It's pretty obvious that the snack labelled "Mini Quiche Feta Spinach" contains bacon. Just a warning for vegetarians and anybody that doesn't eat pork. [07:28:25] o/ I'm looking for a merge :) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/operations/puppet/+/1027060 [07:30:51] the cake quiche is a lie (re @EdwardBetts: We all know that naming things is hard. It's pretty obvious that the snack labelled "Mini Quiche Feta Spinach" contains bacon. J...) [07:34:24] Very random question: does anybody know a tool to convert content from Obisdian to MediaWiki? (I don't know Obsidian at all...) [07:34:25] does anyone here actually know how to use `jq` and feel like loaning me your brain for 5 minutes? [07:36:02] pandoc should work? (re @Nicolas: Very random question: does anybody know a tool to convert content from Obisdian to MediaWiki? (I don't know Obsidian at all...)) [07:36:24] pandoc was my first thought as well... [07:36:45] Session: Make your extension community configurable (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362879) is starting now in Singapore. Join in [07:37:26] Did you get you patch verified and reviewed? (re @nokibsarkar: Hi, to upload a patch, should I update the autoload.php too? Or just the codes I changed and the integration script would run t...) [07:46:30] Comparison ongoing, the aranet in the background should be more accurate than my cheaper one in the foreground. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/53dccdc6/file_60454.jpg [07:58:09] Checking outside, mine is off by around 350, need to recalibrate it. So, actual values around 650, which isn’t too bad. [07:58:48] @siebrand when you have some time, I’d be happy to talk about T363626 :) [07:58:59] I’m free now until lunch (or between sessions later) [08:01:09] Starting now! [08:01:10] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T360474 [08:01:11] GLAM CSI - Documenting the user stories of Wikimedia contribution from GLAM Wiki efforts and content partnerships [08:01:36] Macao/Macau room [08:13:52] That was 44 minutes from +2 to merge. We can do better, I think. [08:13:53] Also: Good morning! (re @Adam: o/ I'm looking for a merge :) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/operations/puppet/+/1027060) [08:14:22] Having a shower, and will be bright and shiny at your doorstep. (re @lucaswerkmeister: @siebrand when you have some time, I’d be happy to talk about T363626 :)) [08:19:54] Anyone else having tests fail because of dependency download timeouts? [08:20:56] Hi @Jdlrobson can you give me access to the figma designs? [08:20:56] Tool:year-in-review (https://www.figma.com/proto/XXFIPYfmletBNoSg8xQsVo/Wikipedia-Year-in-Review?page-id=0%3A1&type=design&node-id=1-3&viewport=481%2C258%2C0.25&t=i6kuWHnuIzYFHJWc-1&scaling=scale-down&starting-point-node-id=1%3A3&mode=design) & prototype (https [08:20:57] //www.figma.com/file/XXFIPYfmletBNoSg8xQsVo/Wikipedia-Year-in-Review?type=design&node-id=1%3A3&mode=design&t=K4zBYuKRluZZywAq-1) [08:24:06] New session, about Free Software in Wikimedia organizations: [08:24:07] "Google Meet, Slack, Zoom, YouTube… and other Bugs in Wikimedia Movement - Getting Ready for Emergency Exits 🌈" [08:24:08] @ Today, Ballroom, 4 PM [08:24:10] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T364081 [08:25:13] * Ballroom 1, to be exact [08:26:42] New session: join the testing team at "software testing for developers" session at 14:30 in Singapore https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T364200 [08:28:16] If you would like to swap the size of your Hackathon T-shirt, you may do so with the extras that are laid on the couch at the far end of the conference floor! [08:28:17] Sizes are labeled; please be considerate and keep the sizes organized :) [08:31:46] Inside Automoderator: Writing and deploying a new moderation extension (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361259) starting now in Atlantic City. [08:35:47] Thanks all for adding in the new sessions and announcing them here! We're working hard to keep the schedule up to date! 👍️️ [08:37:20] The label got fixed to say "Mini Quiche Bacon and Leek" (re @EdwardBetts: We all know that naming things is hard. It's pretty obvious that the snack labelled "Mini Quiche Feta Spinach" contains bacon. J...) [08:51:01] where is people uploading their slides? I found nothing at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Hackathon_2024 [08:51:55] Hi, we were wondering if there was a _dropdown-search _component (or something that can be put together to resemble that) that we can leverage from codex. (Context: We want a searchable dropdown menu of languages of a wiki) [08:53:51] I've messing around since yesterday and I found and acceptable way to export canvas to SVG or PDF. (re @Nicolas: Very random question: does anybody know a tool to convert content from Obisdian to MediaWiki? (I don't know Obsidian at all...)) [08:54:10] but maybe you are asking about markdown only, right? [08:54:47] So a combobox? https://doc.wikimedia.org/codex/latest/components/demos/combobox.html (re @theprotonade: Hi, we were wondering if there was a dropdown-search component (or something that can be put together to resemble that) that we ...) [08:55:54] Oh yeah, the name didn't really pop out to us, this looks like it, thanks! (re @sjoerddebruin: So a combobox? https://doc.wikimedia.org/codex/latest/components/demos/combobox.html) [08:56:16] I really want to connect to that 5G Covid Diffusor : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/f64294d2/file_60456.jpg [08:56:56] New subcat now created. Add this category: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Hackathon_2024_presentations (re @IsmaelOlea: where is people uploading their slides? I found nothing at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Hackathon_2024) [08:58:54] Thanks. Didn't want to create it before asking 👍 (re @quidditywiki: New subcat now created. Add this category: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Hackathon_2024_presentations) [08:59:05] We are trying to find Christoph Jauera. Is there anybody who knows him? 😄 [09:03:51] MatmaRex: Congratulations for nerd-sniping me: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/1027082 [09:04:15] OK, issue is resolved (re @putnik: We are trying to find Christoph Jauera. Is there anybody who knows him? 😄) [09:12:54] *Important message for Sunday closing party transportation* [09:12:55] Hi all! We're currently working on transportation arrangements for tomorrow's dinner party. *Please go through this info before 1pm on Sunday: **https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/tallinntransportation* [09:12:56] Since people may want to come back at different times, we are not guaranteeing private transportation, but if you need two QR codes (one for the way up there and one for the way back) just let us know. Thank you all! ✨ [09:13:23] Is anybody from openpracticelibrary.com here? [09:14:33] James_F: D: [09:15:12] MatmaRex: Oh, meh, it's not walking dependency trees? [09:16:09] (re @karenamandah: Important message for Sunday closing party transportation [09:16:10] Hi all! We're currently working on transportation arrangements for to...) [09:16:33] James_F: not sure what you mean. but there's a bit of history behind that name, i think. PHP uses "unserial…" etc. and these were named to be consistent with that [09:17:10] OK, but it's a terrible name, and we should align with human language. (The problem is in my code, will dig.) [09:25:19] Taavi: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T364204 the load jobs thing we talked about yesterday [09:35:39] For Edward Fisc: https://eu.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarbe#/map/0 [09:36:45] fyi to any celiacs, gf people, couscous is not gluten free [09:37:14] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/159060 [09:39:49] @zeljkof https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/releng/cli/-/jobs/252891/artifacts/download [09:42:12] Has anyone here worked on the Commons Upload Wizard? Our project team would like to get some hints on how to hack on it [09:53:31] i did, but it was a while ago. i don't know if anyone who's more up-to-date with it is here. [09:56:41] MatmaRex, where can we find you? Or maybe after lunch [09:58:07] Yesterday I tried to make the instructions to propose sessions a bit more descriptive at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2024/Program#How_to_propose_a_session, but I think the suggestion to announce on Telegram (and other small details, like whether to use the "wmh2024-" prefix for the Etherpad links, etc.) could be there as well :) (re @deb_t: [09:58:07] Thanks all for a [09:58:07] dding in the new sessions and announcing them here! We're working hard to keep the schedule up to date! 👍️️) [09:58:30] i'm at one of the "mediawiki track" tables, with a red lanyard. after lunch :) [09:59:46] @bd808 Thanks for the tip! @albertoleoncio and I tested the bash-c-less syntax and confirmed it works! I've updated the relevant documentation here: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Toolforge/Auto-update_a_tool_from_GitHub/GitLab&diff=prev&oldid=2174976 (re @wmtelegram_bot: @waldyrious: To avoid XY problems, you should only need a [09:59:46] `bash -c "..."` cons [09:59:47] truct if the thing you are putting inside ...) [10:17:38] Who should I talk to about making a small change to the UI of https://codesearch.wmcloud.org? [10:18:33] @waldyrious you should probably find @Krinkle24 [10:19:41] Is there a phabricator admin in the house? [10:20:25] @Bernhard: there are several around, myself included [10:21:37] where can I find you (after the photo session)? [10:22:26] For Codesearch, you can probably just send a patch ;) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/project:labs/codesearch [10:22:49] Eric Gardner did! (re @tuukkahastrup: Has anyone here worked on the Commons Upload Wizard? Our project team would like to get some hints on how to hack on it) [10:29:14] Find the designers Justin or Matthew - they have access and i think can grant access (re @gopavasanth: Hi @Jdlrobson can you give me access to these figma designs? [10:29:14] Tool:year-in-review & prototype) [10:39:04] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/011c6a70/file_60458.jpg [10:47:49] MatmaRex, How difficult [10:48:05] is it likely to be to migrate ApiEmailUser to the factory? [10:54:40] Lcawte: what factory? i think i'm missing some context here… but these things are usually easy, just a bit tedious :) [10:55:15] Cookies (vegan) from Finland now at the snack table : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/70c8302e/file_60459.jpg [10:59:14] Hello, anyone working on Wikimedia maps? I wanted to discuss how (who to ping, actually) to advance in an issue. [11:00:47] here as well. if you need an action in phab, might be faster to write it here, otherwise, i can assist after a session :). (re @Bernhard: Is there a phabricator admin in the house?) [11:05:00] MatmaRex, Uhh, EmailUser(Factory) - also came across that patch you merged this morning. [11:05:08] Session: Managing Wikimedia servers with Puppet (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361309) happening now in Singapore. [11:10:24] Generative AI session is moving to the ballroom because of capacity. Please join us if you are interested - we have more capacity here :) [11:11:40] Group photos! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_Wikimedia_Hackathon_Athens_(MP)_2024_001.jpg & https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_Wikimedia_Hackathon_Athens_(MP)_2024_002.jpg ! (I think with wiki worked best!) [11:12:07] can we remove "Athens" from the title? :)) (re @mikepeel: Group photos! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_Wikimedia_Hackathon_Athens_(MP)_2024_001.jpg & https://commons.wikimedi...) [11:12:16] oh, wait, we moved on from there? 😉 [11:13:14] now fixed. 🙂 [11:15:47] RoanKattouw: https://github.com/wikimedia/eslint-plugin-mediawiki/pull/103 kthxbai [11:16:34] James_F: Merged [11:16:36] Ta. [11:16:39] Also thanks for merging my PRs! [11:22:01] RoanKattouw: And in return, a release: https://github.com/wikimedia/eslint-plugin-mediawiki/pull/104 [11:23:14] James_F: Merged [11:28:30] Reminder: happening now! (re @zeljkof: New session: join the testing team at "software testing for developers" session at 14:30 in Singapore https://phabricator.wikime...) [11:29:01] RoanKattouw: Now https://github.com/wikimedia/eslint-config-wikimedia/pull/570 / https://github.com/wikimedia/eslint-config-wikimedia/pull/571 :-) [11:31:01] I'm available now if still needed. (re @Bernhard: Is there a phabricator admin in the house?) [11:31:42] [session announcement] Toolforge & Cloud VPS demos has been *rescheduled* for tomorrow 11:30 in Macao. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362062 (re @wmtelegram_bot: RoanKattouw: Now https://github.com/wikimedia/eslint-config-wikimedia/pull/570 / https://github.com/wikimedia/eslint-c...) [11:32:30] [session announcement] Toolforge & Cloud VPS demos has been *rescheduled* for tomorrow 11:30 in Macao. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362062 [11:32:55] James_F: I merged 570, 571 is in a weird state where it's waiting for a Node 16 test that I'm not sure is ever going to run [11:33:17] thanks! we'll get it moved in the schedule! (re @blancadesal: [session announcement] Toolforge & Cloud VPS demos has been *rescheduled* for tomorrow 11:30 in Macao. https://phabricator.wikim...) [11:34:45] Session: Software testing for developers (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T364200) starting now in Singapore. [11:39:08] Decolonial protocols for institutional collaboration in Wikimedia (this is a research group, there are not results yet, but later this year there should be there, and translated at least into English): https://pt.wikiversity.org/wiki/Protocolos_decoloniais_para_a_Wikimedia (in portuguese) [11:39:08] If someone could please add to the etherpad of the AI session [11:49:39] Jdlrobson: See above ^ [11:51:29] anybody expert with wbcreateclaim? [11:51:48] Nikki perhaps (re @ferdi2005: anybody expert with wbcreateclaim?) [11:52:27] or lucas [11:53:02] what do you need help with though? :) [12:03:49] can we share the photos here as well (all possibly) [12:49:14] RoanKattouw: Thanks! Landed. [12:52:00] There is a tutorial session about AutoWikiBrowser by @Magioladitis at Macao room at 16:00 [12:54:29] There were someone (sorry, I didn't get your name) that wanted to discuss GLAM with me, I'm free for now, in the Las Vegas room :) [12:57:52] Just a quick plug for the "Automating categories and articles on small wikis" session starting in 3 minutes in the Atlantic City Room! @Ideophagous is looking for your feedback. [13:03:57] Just realising now: nobody made a MayTheFourth joke here yet? [13:07:29] Session happening now in Ballroom 1: Google Meet, Slack, Zoom, YouTube… and other Bugs in Wikimedia Movement - Getting Ready for Emergency Exits (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T364081) 🌈 [13:09:47] I'm planning to go for a run at around 5pm. Let me know if you want to join me. [13:12:29] MayTheFourth jokes aren't nerdy any more, Star Wars is mainstream now [13:12:49] @bozzy Just acknowledged MAY THE FOURTH BE WITH YOU (re @Nicolas: Just realising now: nobody made a MayTheFourth joke here yet?) [13:14:39] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/f05cad09/animation_gif.mp4 [13:15:08] I might do a walk out to the same Banned Books Museum area we did yesterday from 5-6pm if people are interested. It's in the lovely old Vanalinn district, and has some lovely souvenir/local shops. [13:23:09] Banned Books Museum? (re @fuzheado: I might do a walk out to the same Banned Books Museum area we did yesterday from 5-6pm if people are interested. It's in the lov...) [13:23:19] Where is it? [13:24:15] about 15-20 min walk from Hilton [13:24:40] I mean which city? [13:25:14] Bash JQ ? (re @bbearnes: does anyone here actually know how to use jq and feel like loaning me your brain for 5 minutes?) [13:29:12] Q117054151 [13:29:13] we're all in Tallinn right now ;) (re @cvictorovich: I mean which city?) [13:29:42] How miraculous! (re @Nicolas: Q117054151 [13:29:43] we're all in Tallinn right now ;)) [13:30:59] Is there anyone fluent in Wikifunctions? I am interested in starting working with them. [13:31:09] I AM (re @Tohaomg: Is there anyone fluent in Wikifunctions? I am interested in starting working with them.) [13:31:34] And are you in Tallinn?)) [13:31:52] Nope (re @Tohaomg: And are you in Tallinn?))) [13:32:04] I didn’t come here [13:32:54] I'm sure there is someone, but I don't know his name (re @Tohaomg: And are you in Tallinn?))) [13:33:08] I think he is sit at a corner of the ballroom [13:33:10] Shall I assist you? (re @Tohaomg: And are you in Tallinn?))) [13:34:38] James_F is probably the best person to talk to; I could also try ^^ (re @Tohaomg: Is there anyone fluent in Wikifunctions? I am interested in starting working with them.) [13:34:43] Thank you)) But I wanted to work with someone in person (re @cvictorovich: Shall I assist you?) [13:35:01] I can have VoIP call with you (re @Tohaomg: Thank you)) But I wanted to work with someone in person) [13:35:22] Also, Nicolas VIGNERON is also an ideal choice (re @Tohaomg: Thank you)) But I wanted to work with someone in person) [13:35:37] Nicolas [13:36:03] *looks behind me* okay it looks like Anton and Nicolas are already talking ^^ [13:36:52] Did he know that he’s talking to N.V.? (re @lucaswerkmeister: *looks behind me* okay it looks like Anton and Nicolas are already talking ^^) [13:37:22] Might be unknowingly [13:37:33] it sounded like they were talking about wikifunctions ^^ [13:39:23] @Tohaomg Are you indeed talking with Nicolas? How did you know that he is the one I mentioned? [13:42:01] He walked to me (re @cvictorovich: @Tohaomg Are you indeed talking with Nicolas? How did you know that he is the one I mentioned?) [13:42:24] Ahahahaha [13:43:50] He’s a guy fair enough. I talked with him before about Wikidata lexicography data (re @Tohaomg: He walked to me) [13:57:17] Walking to Banned Books Museum now - meet in Hilton lobby [14:20:10] Thanks (re @cvictorovich: He’s a guy fair enough. I talked with him before about Wikidata lexicography data) [14:43:46] At 19:00 I am going to local sports bar to watch F1. If anybody cares for F1, feel free to join [14:45:12] We could try one of the projectors here as well, no idea about sound though [14:49:48] We have been working hard on the snapquery and released multiple versions already. [14:49:48] The GUI now has all main example queries and scholia queries loaded and they can be clicked and run and results can be seen in a table. [14:49:48] The API has 2 endpoints now. [14:49:48] Additionally there is a command line interface. [14:49:48] Both the API and CLI can output result tables in the following formats: [14:49:48] Github [14:49:49] Mediawiki [14:49:49] HTML [14:49:50] Try it out on https://snapquery.bitplan.com/ : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/9681aed9/file_60469.jpg [14:53:22] I don't know what I'm looking at 😃 (re @dpriskorn: We have been working hard on the snapquery and released multiple versions already. [14:53:23] The GUI now has all main example queries and ...) [14:57:45] repo is here https://github.com/WolfgangFahl/snapquery (re @IsmaelOlea: I don't know what I'm looking at 😃) [14:58:09] Im here! o/ [14:58:30] Works for me [14:58:42] Subbu can I talk to you a bit about Parsoid / ParserMigration later? [14:58:47] Humm. This named queries thing is new to me, it seems. (re @dpriskorn: repo is here https://github.com/WolfgangFahl/snapquery) [15:04:24] named queries seems like a really confusing name [15:04:50] I thought you were referring to adding titles to queries [15:05:22] (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_Query_Service/User_Manual?useskin=vector#Display_a_title, specifically) [15:05:45] also, named subqueries already exist (the ones with "WITH") [15:06:05] I agree. A bit confusing. [15:06:05] The idea is to make queries a thing independent of different backends. (re @Nikki: named queries seems like a really confusing name) [15:06:08] yeah, that was the other thing I realised it could be referring to [15:08:05] showcase question: if I’m presenting multiple projects (two so far), should I pick adjacent slots or space them apart? 🤓 [15:34:37] @siebrand do you have a preference with your timer? (re @lucaswerkmeister: showcase question: if I’m presenting multiple projects (two so far), should I pick adjacent slots or space them apart? 🤓) [15:42:05] Each person can get a single slot with 2 minutes of time. So if you want to present multiple things, make sure to do that in your two minutes. (re @lucaswerkmeister: showcase question: if I’m presenting multiple projects (two so far), should I pick adjacent slots or space them apart? 🤓) [15:42:59] ‼️For the Formula 1 fans: Sprint Race viewing in room *Atlantic City* [15:43:15] @sjoerddebruin @djhartman (re @siebrand: ‼️For the Formula 1 fans: Sprint Race viewing in room Atlantic City) [16:01:08] Oh, I already went to sports bar🙂 (re @siebrand: ‼️For the Formula 1 fans: Sprint Race viewing in room Atlantic City) [17:38:02]