[00:37:03] Does this cover all Wikimedia Wikis? (re @gopavasanth: Will take a look..) [01:33:33] mostly yes (re @Kuldeepburjbhalaike: Does this cover all Wikimedia Wikis?) [01:49:47] Last view from the hotel, safe travels everyone : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/1a600e60/file_60529.jpg [02:05:51] @gtisza Hell, I was sleeping back then and didn’t see your message… [02:06:21] I’m reporting some issues on Parsoid [02:23:56] It has been long (re @mikepeel: 'Learners' is new, anyone know the background?) [02:49:19] If you are taking the ferry to Helsinki, be awared that you must be there 30 minutes before. I'm at the 6:00 AM ferry and it started moving at 5:40. [02:57:10] Last call! :) (re @IsmaelOlea: Remind people taking the ferry of 0700. Met the hotel lobby at 0620 to share a taxi.) [03:06:21] Anybody else? [03:32:31] 👋 safe travels to all. I hope to see everyone next year wherever and whenever we get together. [03:33:23] Good morning, everyone! For those that attended / participated in this past weekend's Hackathon in Tallinn, Estonia - I have good news! 👍The event survey is working (https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/665969?lang=en) - please fill it out as you have time. Thanks again for all your hard work hacking and collaborating, so many good things happened because of [03:33:23] you! [03:39:17] Report: all the people I know taking ferries are in the ship or at the port. [03:46:09] (re @deb_t: Good morning, everyone! For those that attended / participated in this past weekend's Hackathon in Tallinn, Estonia - I have goo...) [03:48:54] Remember to recognize each other on acquaintances project of de.wp! [03:52:02] https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Personal_Acquaintances [04:04:10] Is breakfast available for those whose flight in on 12:30? [04:11:34] Yes, in the restaurant. (re @nokibsarkar: Is breakfast available for those whose flight is on 12:30?) [04:56:48] It starts moving after the checkin has closed and everyone's on board 😁 (re @Galder: If you are taking the ferry to Helsinki, be awared that you must be there 30 minutes before. I'm at the 6:00 AM ferry and it sta...) [04:58:25] https://www.airbnb.com/slink/baZlJ3k9 if anyone needs a bed in Helsinki tonight (or tmw). we have two extra twin beds in a room of 3 with @fuzheado. Let us know. [05:17:30] Hi. I might be 5 minutes late for the excursion to the park. Could you wait for me near the Hilton entrance please? [05:18:52] I got tagged many times but have no idea how to confirm (even though I studied German for three years). It could really benefit from a translation of a how-to. (re @cvictorovich: Remember to recognize each other on acquaintances project of de.wp!) [05:21:44] It’s written in English [05:33:40] Is there a specific place to wait for the transportation to the airport? [05:34:16] i'm at the hilton entrance for this, but no sign of anyone else so not sure if it's happening. (re @rina_sl: Hi. I might be 10 minutes late for the excursion to the park. Could you wait for me near the Hilton entrance please?) [05:41:34] I was looking for Punjabi, but may be it's missing. (Also it could be better to if there could be a search button while selecting language) (re @reputation22: mostly yes) [05:46:31] I was waiting in the hotel waiting area next to the enterance, and someone arrived, asking if I'm Martin Urbanec, and he took me to the airport (re @bbearnes: i'm at the hilton entrance for this, but no sign of anyone else so not sure if it's happening.) [05:48:18] Do you know who he is? (re @urbanecm: I was waiting in the hotel waiting area next to the enterance, and someone arrived, asking if I'm Martin Urbanec, and he took me...) [05:49:38] §+ (re @rina_sl: Hi. I might be 10 minutes late for the excursion to the park. Could you wait for me near the Hilton entrance please?) [05:50:26] I think you're responding to the wrong message :) @bbearnes was responding to a message about the excursion to the park, not the transportation to the airport — that was @ederporto's message. (re @urbanecm: I was waiting in the hotel waiting area next to the enterance, and someone arrived, asking if I'm Martin Urbanec, and he took me...) [05:51:47] I want to change size of my t-shirt. Are there any organizers left in Hilton? [06:05:38] It's been there since 2018, it was added as part of this project: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Edit_Review_Improvements/New_filters_for_edit_review (re @mikepeel: 'Learners' is new, anyone know the background?) [06:12:56] I don't recall having seen it before 🤨 [06:12:56] Oh. It still doesn't explain how to confirm a ping I got. I can only see how to verify people I have met. Perhaps that is a translation inconsistency of confirmations/verifications that confuses me? (re @cvictorovich: It’s written in English) [06:17:04] We have a template on svwiki which uses a tooltip to show some information when hovering. Are there some good practices to make that work on mobile? For example, I imagined a CSS class on an info button that gets unhidden on mobile web, but I don't know how to do that or if there is another better way to do it. [06:23:50] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/attr could work [06:27:42] the best practice is probably to avoid showing things on hover in general, since it has other accessibility issues - it doesn't work well if you're using the keyboard or a screenreader, for example, and can be hard to use if, for example, your hand is shaky and you can't move the cursor very smoothly (re @Jan_ainali: We have a template on svwiki which uses a tooltip [06:27:42] to show some [06:27:43] information when hovering. Are there some good practices to make ...) [06:29:53] What would be the attr? (re @sjoerddebruin: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/attr could work) [06:30:48] I helped a group get on a shuttle, it was parked in front of the hotel (re @ederporto: Is there a specific place to wait for the transportation to the airport?) [06:31:48] I don’t know your use case, but if the script just grabs the title attribute for example (re @Jan_ainali: What would be the attr?) [06:33:17] Which script? It's just a template with template styling. (re @sjoerddebruin: I don’t know your use case, but if the script just grabs the title attribute for example) [06:34:28] Could you link? [06:34:54] https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mall:Datumbox (re @sjoerddebruin: Could you link?) [06:36:53] And it is used on pages like this: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mest_visade_artiklar_2024 [06:36:53] The emoji is the one with the tooltip, explaining why that article was most viewed that day in some more words. (re @Jan_ainali: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mall:Datumbox) [06:36:55] I think it comes to “if your icon isn’t clear enough on it’s own, it shouldn’t (purely) be an icon” (even on desktop) [06:36:56] But yeah you can try the example on the page earlier but then with the title attribute [06:37:22] And the title is not the same on mobile and web? (re @sjoerddebruin: I think it comes to “if your icon isn’t clear enough on it’s own, it shouldn’t (purely) be an icon” (even on desktop) [06:37:23] But yeah ...) [06:38:17] It is a fair point, but it is a compromise to be able to build a neat calendar. (re @sjoerddebruin: I think it comes to “if your icon isn’t clear enough on it’s own, it shouldn’t (purely) be an icon” (even on desktop) [06:38:17] But yeah ...) [06:38:50] It’s a bit long for a button text yes, but then you can use like aria-label, which I would recommend anyway for accessibility [06:39:35] Is that possible in wikitext? How does one do that? (re @sjoerddebruin: It’s a bit long for a button text yes, but then you can use like aria-label, which I would recommend anyway for accessibility) [06:44:56] Has the survey link changed? The 242643 one says "We are sorry but the survey is expired and no longer available." https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/242643?lang=en [06:48:09] I don't know and can't try atm (re @Jan_ainali: Is that possible in wikitext? How does one do that?) [07:13:41] oh, yep the correct one is https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/665969 (the email one is wrong; the one pinned above here is right). [07:25:18] Hi, has anyone here found a laptop charger and a mobile charger? [08:12:21] who else is joining the Patarei Sea Fortress tour this afternoon? (I signed up ca. 45 minutes ago) [08:16:48] No, but I'm pretty sure I left my charger in my room (603), you can have it if it helps (re @Ladsgroup: Hi, has anyone here found a laptop charger and a mobile charger?) [08:17:59] Meanwhile at Amsterdam airport, I've seen this : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/ca7b06e0/file_60530.jpg [08:18:10] Wikidata is everywhere [08:19:08] 15 euros... [08:20:20] Do you want someone to try and retrieve it? (re @Nicolas: No, but I'm pretty sure I left my charger in my room (603), you can have it if it helps) [08:22:46] Having an impromptu Wikimedia Commons 2-person editathon with a new editor I just recruited on the ferry. ^_^ [08:27:26] Does anybody know about the excursion to Patarei Sea Fortress leaded by Robert Treufeldt? Will it happened, or cancelled as well? [08:28:02] I was planning t (re @lucaswerkmeister: who else is joining the Patarei Sea Fortress tour this afternoon? (I signed up ca. 45 minutes ago)) [08:28:36] Amsterdam? (re @Nicolas: Meanwhile at Amsterdam airport, I've seen this) [08:29:50] Transit/connecting airport [08:30:48] How? (re @Nicolas: Wikidata is everywhere) [08:31:07] I can’t figure out why this is related to Wikidata [08:32:12] If possible it would be nice, otherwise it is just a charger (re @tehreedy: Do you want someone to try and retrieve it?) [08:32:38] https://wikidata.org/wiki/Q28054658 (re @cvictorovich: I can’t figure out why this is related to Wikidata) [08:33:10] Merely a naming collision [08:34:09] BTW is there anyone here online who majorly works on Parsoid [08:34:28] If I cannot reach Tisza anyone else is okay [08:34:56] It’s producing errors when parsing LanguageConverter objects [08:35:22] I encountered this on Chinese sites [08:37:02] I suspect this was an answer to me. So what is the link if I want to confirm an already started verification? Is that also on the page Wikipedia:Persönliche Bekanntschaften/neue Anfragen (even though I don't want to make a new one)? (re @cvictorovich: Merely a naming collision) [08:37:51] Maybe, no one verified me, hence I’m not very sure (re @Jan_ainali: I suspect this was an answer to me. So what is the link if I want to confirm an already started verification? Is that also on th...) [08:38:59] I recommend filing a phabricator task with specific details. That way it doesn't depend on people overlapping in the same chat channels, or the same time zones. Phabricator is usually the best place to report bugs. (re @cvictorovich: It’s producing errors when parsing LanguageConverter objects) [08:40:10] However I’d like to get some hints from you and solve it on my own (re @quidditywiki: I recommend filing a phabricator task with specific details. That way it doesn't depend on people overlapping in the same chat c...) [08:40:35] Learn about backgrounds and practice myself [08:41:14] It’s something related to Chinese language: few people here writes Chinese or knows about details of different variants [08:42:30] Meanwhile in Helsinki - hello from the AI Sauna : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/1b11a702/file_60532.jpg [08:42:58] Is it an old building? (re @fuzheado: Meanwhile in Helsinki - hello from the AI Sauna) [08:43:06] Where is the steam? [08:43:34] Sauna session is forthcoming - I don't think the National Archives folks would like to subject the old record to a steam bath [08:44:23] Live stream! https://www.youtube.com/@avoinglam (re @sjoerddebruin: Where is the steam?) [08:44:42] Johan Jönsson speaking [08:47:20] What did you think of the first talk? Seemed like an insightful framing of how to hack on AI stuff [09:17:03] Lsjbot mentioned as a cautionary tale :) : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/f1fd0fcc/file_60533.jpg [09:17:22] (aka Cebuano Bot) [09:17:50] Hey hey, anyone coming from Hilton to hotel soon? I have forgot a belonging there, will hope someone can bring it to me [09:18:01] I wonder if Kaj knows that we deleted over a million of these articles on Swedish Wikipedia. (re @fuzheado: Lsjbot mentioned as a cautionary tale :)) [09:18:11] Update: found them in the conference room [09:18:12] It is a tooth protector in my room 725, nothing heavy [09:18:17] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/f22dee8c/file_60534.jpg [09:18:30] most probably yes (re @Jan_ainali: I wonder if Kaj knows that we deleted over a million of these articles on Swedish Wikipedia.) [09:18:38] This one is also found if someone's is missing a charger [09:18:52] Survey is not working again: [09:18:55] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/d2ee130e/file_60535.jpg [09:19:18] See the pinned message (re @Tohaomg: Survey is not working again:) [09:19:33] From hilton to airport* (re @Neslihan: Hey hey, anyone coming from Hilton to airport soon? I have forgot a belonging there, will hope someone can bring it to me) [09:19:34] How soon? (re @Neslihan: Hey hey, anyone coming from Hilton to airport soon? I have forgot a belonging there, will hope someone can bring it to me) [09:19:38] Well, then the "questionable quality" has a really high bar, one that I don't agree with at all. (re @tuukkahastrup: most probably yes) [09:19:48] Before than 1:40 (re @tehreedy: How soon?) [09:22:14] nice, I just found two more participants as well ^^ (re @renvoyukwiki: I was planning to go) [09:22:37] In theory there’s a shuttle pickup in 3 mins… but your room probably hasn’t been cleaned/lost property handed in yet [09:22:43] What country do you live in? [09:23:03] I can take them from Berlin in following days [09:23:11] I think that's a valid topic to discuss (re @Jan_ainali: Well, then the "questionable quality" has a really high bar, one that I don't agree with at all.) [09:23:28] Ahh, that would be such a fit :') (re @tehreedy: In theory there’s a shuttle pickup in 3 mins… but your room probably hasn’t been cleaned/lost property handed in yet) [09:23:30] If we can find it, I can get @Ladsgroup to take it to Berlin (re @Neslihan: I can take them from Berlin in following days) [09:24:26] That's what I am trying to do :) My concern is mostly that Kaj didn't state it as an opinion, but as a fact. (re @tuukkahastrup: I think that's a valid topic to discuss) [09:24:29] Thanks a lot, it is on the bathroom. On top of a glass. Two transparent teeth protector (re @tehreedy: If we can find it, I can get @Ladsgroup to take it to Berlin) [09:28:26] There was an e-mail with an old ink (re @lcawte: See the pinned message) [09:30:11] I got it too. I suspect it won't get resent today due to travel though. [09:34:21] some of the Finns at AI Sauna are already dying to have lunch as it's past noon 🫢 [09:52:32] @Fedlev for you , if you're still around: [09:52:39] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/9651253a/file_60536.jpg [09:53:31] At Vana turg [10:05:05] AI Sauna: please join the separate telegram channel https://t.me/+guRnZmYwdOZmZDE0 [10:08:32] Greetings from Cuteness Association at AI Suana ❤️💜 : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/fcfa67dd/file_60539.jpg [10:08:55] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/5e62bbec/file_60540.jpg [10:11:02] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/5444bfc6/file_60541.jpg [10:29:58] I don’t think auto article creation is a good wawayy to [10:30:28] They’re of poor quality [10:31:31] As for ceb.wp, few real humans are there to maintain [10:57:49] Who is going to the excursion? Trying to find a place where we meet [10:59:03] Is this a poor quality article https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gimo_damm&oldid=22641923 (re @cvictorovich: They’re of poor quality) [11:03:02] It's okay. But I'm curious that why there are only 2 languages (re @Jan_ainali: Is this a poor quality article https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gimo_damm&oldid=22641923) [11:04:59] Lol thank you. I got stamps at rkioski and the ferry employees will post the cards for me. ;) (re @amire80: ) [11:06:07] It's a small lake in Sweden, so I don't find it strange. (re @cvictorovich: It's okay. But I'm curious that why there are only 2 languages) [11:07:01] It's not even present on en (re @Jan_ainali: It's a small lake in Sweden, so I don't find it strange.) [11:07:19] Apologies, probably a bit late now, but, I did the excursion on Thursday (same one) and this is a pin for the meeting point https://maps.app.goo.gl/fcaFZHH4AwtumAQA7 (re @rina_sl: Who is going to the excursion? Trying to find a place where we meet) [11:19:49] Most articles don't exist on en.wp (re @cvictorovich: It's not even present on en) [11:20:54] Most articles are on en.wp (re @Nicolas: Most articles don't exist on en.wp) [11:21:29] Nope, less than 10 % IIRC [11:23:55] Few articles exist on many languages but not on English (re @Nicolas: Nope, less than 10 % IIRC) [11:25:41] In "many languages", yes. In one language, it's almost all of them t [11:27:45] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_in_many_other_languages_but_not_on_English_Wikipedia [11:28:18] Not so many right? [11:28:50] There are about 28 million unique Wikipedia articles across all languages. So about 80% of them are not enwiki. (re @cvictorovich: Few articles exist in many languages but not in English) [11:29:43] I’d like to know how did this figure come [11:30:04] https://qlever.cs.uni-freiburg.de/wikidata/bw1STr (re @cvictorovich: I’d like to know how did this figure come) [11:30:10] Certainly, counting page numbers everywhere and sum up isn’t okay [11:32:40] Maybe only articles with 20+ languages are more important than others [11:32:47] I think Jan's query counts the number of wikidata items which have at least one associated Wikipedia article (re @cvictorovich: Certainly, counting page numbers everywhere and sum up isn’t okay) [11:33:12] I really saw some exceptions before (re @tuukkahastrup: I think Jan's query counts the number of wikidata items which have at least one associated Wikipedia article) [11:33:38] 2 entities for one thing, one of which only contains one site link [11:33:53] I merged them hence I remembered clearly [11:33:57] Do we really need to have the millionth discussion on bot-generated articles in this channel? [11:35:07] Have it taken place countless times before? [11:35:13] Only if it's a bit generated discussion. [11:38:17] We have a category on Meta listing some of the discussions on the topic and you can also search archives. Let me know if you can't find a place where to add your thoughts about Lsjbot. [11:38:17] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_content_adding [11:38:19] https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/search?mlist=wikimedia-l%40lists.wikimedia.org&q=lsjbot [11:42:35] Is anyone sticking around Talinn for a few days? There’s something that got left behind and I wanted to know if someone wouldn’t mind picking it up and shipping it [11:43:21] I think there are enough people yes [11:47:50] If you know anyone in particular let me know!! [11:55:45] Okay, Tisza connected with me [12:18:35] FYI, that page was created in 2012 and has hardly been updated. (re @cvictorovich: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_in_many_other_languages_but_not_on_English_Wikipedia) [12:25:14] So, the flight from Tallinn to Frankfurt was cancelled. Many of us were rebooked to a flight early tomorrow morning [12:27:33] Have they provided hotels and food vouchers etc? [12:27:55] And do you know why it was cancelled? As may be EU261 eligible [12:27:57] They did give a meal voucher (re @tehreedy: Have they provided hotels and food vouchers etc?) [12:28:30] What flight number was it? [12:28:38] LH881 [12:28:53] I got a message that there is a food voucher at the check-in counter to pick up. Currently waiting in a *l_ong*_ queue. [12:29:40] I heard something about technical problems (re @tehreedy: And do you know why it was cancelled? As may be EU261 eligible) [12:30:08] I saw some updates (re @fuzheado: FYI, that page was created in 2012 and has hardly been updated.) [12:30:21] Or is there any tools for this? [12:30:52] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/5b4dc593/file_60545.jpg [12:31:17] They don’t seem to have publicised a reason (yet) [12:31:27] I’m guessing it’s crew or tech though indeed [12:32:05] It does say aircraft defects and aircraft rotation though? [12:32:51] I can’t read apparently. Yes [12:33:05] Yeah. Should be comfortably 261 eligible [12:34:24] You don’t have to wait for that though. Keep your receipts and don’t go extravagant and submit for reimbursement (re @Celenduin: I got a message that there is a food voucher at the check-in counter to pick up. Currently waiting in a long queue.) [12:34:33] @tehreedy: what is that screenshot from? [12:34:46] Expert Flyer [12:36:15] It has access to various GDS [12:49:41] There are a few sparql queries in the examples library that do such a report (re @cvictorovich: Or is there any tools for this?) [12:59:15] @Ceeeec : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/d307f456/file_60546.jpg [12:59:41] LOL I was not successful in my quest [13:03:07] Those are in the duty free at theaiepkr [13:06:06] Haha consolation prize [13:29:11] They didn't say why it was cancelled, but the error message was E_TOO_MANY_HACKERS (re @Celenduin: So, the flight from Tallinn to Frankfurt was cancelled. Many of us were rebooked to a flight early tomorrow morning) [13:57:54] My flight got cancelled [13:59:12] I am not sure my next leg flight from Dhaka to Rajshahi would be very happy about it. [14:00:10] we found each other (five people plus Robert), it was very impressive! thanks to the organizers for this excursion! (re @lcawte: Apologies, probably a bit late now, but, I did the excursion on Thursday (same one) and this is a pin for the meeting point http...) [14:05:52] Can anyone explain why I get a -1 on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/1027475 ? It's not code I changed. [14:05:52] 15:30:32 /src/node_modules/jsdoc-wmf-theme/publish.js:762 [14:05:53] 15:30:32 throw new Error( `*** [14:10:11] Did anyone else go in just a t-shirt? I feel like I should have made a note on the wiki. As a Brit I wasn't that cold 😅 (re @lucaswerkmeister: we found each other (five people plus Robert), it was very impressive! thanks to the organizers for this excursion!) [14:10:55] If you are outside of the wind it's doable [14:14:33] I think it is related to one of the files you changed, though the error isn't very clear to me [14:14:34] ``` [14:14:35] Unexpected global detected. Add the following to a module, namespace, or class: [14:14:37]