[03:17:04] Certainly (re @Krinkle24: Would you mind sharing in a few keywords why? (Links to prior discussions or tasks would suffice). FYI, I'm principal engineer f...) [03:17:44] Smoother and requires less user interaction [03:18:07] Convenience for visually impaired users [03:18:29] (This isn’t for me, as I’m not one of them (re @cvictorovich: Convenience for visually impaired users) [05:44:03] /waves [05:48:04] It might conflict with temporary account... (re @Krinkle24: Would you mind sharing in a few keywords why? (Links to prior discussions or tasks would suffice). FYI, I'm principal engineer f...) [05:51:06] Oh everybody [05:51:49] I found this in their docs: "Turnstile can be embedded into any website without sending traffic through Cloudflare and works without showing visitors a CAPTCHA." [05:52:22] I found this in their docs: [05:52:22] Turnstile can be embedded into any website without sending traffic through Cloudflare and works without showing visitors a CAPTCHA. [05:53:34] Notice the two "without" [05:59:04] This may answer many many questions regarding its privacy [06:01:26] (offtopic: I just found out that you're Krinkle... (re @Krinkle24: Would you mind sharing in a few keywords why? (Links to prior discussions or tasks would suffice). FYI, I'm principal engineer f...) [09:05:07] I feel like I should know this already, but… what's the best way of finding someone else's user ID in a wiki? [09:07:52] answering myself: action API, `action=query&list=users&ususers=` (re @jhsoby: I feel like I should know this already, but… what's the best way of finding someone else's user ID in a wiki?) [09:22:04] it's listed on the page information page for the user [09:48:35] Thanks! That is indeed better 😁 (re @Nikki: it's listed on the page information page for the user) [11:09:59] Even when your traffic does not go through cloudflare, its still sending the turnstile check to cloudflare challenge server. And it checks it against traffic stats of you on other websites that use cloudflare (re @cvictorovich: I found this in their docs: [11:10:00] Turnstile can be embedded into any website without sending traffic through Cloudflare and works wit...) [11:11:09] But we already have tickets and 15 years of ppl discussing all these things, it doesnt really help us to rehash it every time. [11:13:02] 15 years?! [11:22:39] Im wrong. Its 18 [11:22:40] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T6845 [12:21:13] Buy that bug a beer [12:44:18] It got much better with the last year changes but yeah... still a mess [12:50:46] Is turnstile that old?! (re @djhartman: But we already have tickets and 15 years of ppl discussing all these things, it doesnt really help us to rehash it every time.) [12:51:49] Oh, the earliest comments below are created in 2021! [12:52:51] No no, the point is that it gains few comments in its early days [12:53:11] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/53972a07/file_67704.jpg [12:53:44] it is ~3 years old (re @cvictorovich: Is turnstile that old?!) [12:53:54] There aren't too many comments until 2017, when a large number of comments bursted out [12:54:13] Turnstile isn't that old, but, that bug has hashed out the conversation about using external captcha services many times over the past 18 years. [12:54:25] this is for Turnstile: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333770 [12:55:05] I know the Diskdance who created this ticket [12:56:42] Congrats? [12:57:39] Now I know that there has been people who agrees with me [12:58:14] At least I won't need to create a ticket for this again [12:58:29] As there's an existing one [12:58:35] I'm not sure why you didn't look in Phabricator in the first place [12:59:33] Subscribed [13:42:48] hello there I'm here to contribute [13:49:03] Welcome! See https://developer.wikimedia.org/ [14:59:36] Hello everyone (and apologies for crossposting)! The Wikimedia Foundation will be hosting *the third round of a *series of community calls for Wikimedia Commons (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:WMF_support_for_Commons/Commons_community_calls) to help prioritize support efforts from Wikimedia Foundation for the 2025-2026 Fiscal Year. [14:59:36] Our third call will focus on *tool investment priority*. There are constant calls from the community for the Foundation to adopt community-made tools in order to maintain workflows for the contributors that depend on them. The range of these tools varies widely, and includes media upload (e.g. Video2Commons), editing (e.g. CropTool), curation (e.g. Cat-a-lot) and [14:59:36] metrics (e.g. Ba [14:59:37] GLAMa) tools. Batch upload and metrics tools are said to be critical for the affiliates and Wikimedians in Residence who partner with libraries and other cultural institutions to illustrate Wikipedia. They need to be able to contribute files efficiently at scale, and report on the impact of these contributions. However, community surveys have identified more than 30 [14:59:37] different too [14:59:39] ls that are used for content partnerships. [14:59:40] More specifically the questions will be: [14:59:42] 1. Does it make sense for the Foundation to invest in supporting the wide range of community-developed tools that don’t have active maintainers, or should a smaller set of critical workflows be enabled through new or improved features in core products? [14:59:43] 2. Which tool would you recommend to prioritise? Something community-facing or GLAM-facing or video-related or something else? [14:59:45] The call will take place at two different time slots: [14:59:46] * The first one will be on January 15, at 08:00 UTC (https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1736928000), and it will be hosted on Zoom by Senior Director of Product Management Runa Bhattacharjee; you can subscribe to it on Meta (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Event:Commons_community_discussion_-_15_January_2025_08:00_UTC); [14:59:48] * The second one will be on January 15, at 16:00 UTC (https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1736956800), and it will be hosted on Zoom by Chief Product & Technology Officer Selena Deckelmann; you can subscribe to it on Meta (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Event:Commons_community_discussion_-_15_January_2025_16:00_UTC). [14:59:49] If you cannot attend the meeting, you are invited to express your point of view at any time you want on the Commons community calls talk page (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:WMF_support_for_Commons/Commons_community_calls). We will also post the notes of the meeting on the project page, to give the possibility to read what was discussed also to [14:59:49] those who couldn’t attend it. [14:59:51] If you want, you are invited to share this invitation with all the people you think might be interested in this call. [14:59:52] We hope to see you and/or read you very soon!