[05:27:26] I wanted to flag an earlier conversation about another hotel with the similar name - the event location is the _Renaissance Polat Istanbul Hotel_, NOT the one with the word “Bosphorus” in the name. The Hackathon venue/hotel is at Yeşilyurt, Sahil Yolu Cd. No:2, 34149 Bakırköy/İstanbul, Türkiye. Thanks for those that pointed it out earlier! [06:51:58] Looking forward to this weekend’s Wikimedia Hackathon in Istanbul where over 200 people from all over the world will meet up in person and collaborate on MediaWiki! : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/43793f14/file_70223.jpg [09:28:04] Do we need approval @deb_t? Or just proposal. @KevinPayravi could do something on gallery and images. (re @deb_t: Hey there, all you Hackathon Istanbul attendees - want to do a quick 30 minute unconference session at the hackathon? Sweet! Be ...) [09:30:39] @JeanFred would you be in Istanbul? [09:31:55] I'm interested in the technical details of «productizing» Integraality with Wikibase Suite. [09:34:56] For the unconference sessions - nope, no approval from me needed! Please create a phabricator task for it and find a spot on the schedule that you'd like to present at! 🙂 (re @Jennifer 8.: Do we need approval @deb_t? Or just proposal. @KevinPayravi could do something on gallery and images.) [09:37:20] @Valdelli will you be at the hackathon? @KevinPayravi will have something to share re gallery. [09:40:51] Public Announce: [09:40:52] forgot to say I'm bringing the most élite stickers ever for Commons contributors of manhole covers pictures https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Manhole_cover_sticker.svg [09:41:26] I'll happily gift an sticker to any proven manhole cover pictures contributor 😊 [09:41:47] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/4911acf4/angry_video_game_nerd_avgn.mp4 [09:42:42] A SDC query as a map: https://w.wiki/6oDL [09:46:39] I've seen potential subjects in Istanbul :) (re @IsmaelOlea: I'll happily gift an sticker to any proven manhole cover pictures contributor 😊) [09:47:19] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Manhole_covers_in_Istanbul (re @jeremy_b: I've seen potential subjects in Istanbul :)) [09:47:45] for this gift, any part of the world applies, not just Istanbul :) [11:00:56] I used the passport scan feature in the check-in, and noticed my birth date had somehow been in wrong format. (was MM-DD-YYYY vs they use DD-MM-YYYY; I don't know where the mistake happened and whether it matters at all.) [11:06:50] where was this to scan in? Turkish airlines check-in? (re @tuukkahastrup: I used the passport scan feature in the check-in, and noticed my birth date had somehow been in wrong format. (was MM-DD-YYYY vs...) [11:07:28] if there were kiosks at JFK I missed them [11:07:56] Yes, in the Turkish Airlines app during check-in (re @deb_t: where was this to scan in? Turkish airlines check-in?) [11:10:57] Afraid not :) (re @IsmaelOlea: @JeanFred would you be in Istanbul?) [11:11:18] It's probably not a big deal - but please go to the check in desk for your flight and confirm everything is ok. Thanks! (re @tuukkahastrup: Yes, in the Turkish Airlines app during check-in (on Android)) [11:13:48] oh, I used that. (also Android) I think it did ok with passport? I don't remember changing date. and just reading from the standardized lines at bottom it shouldn't matter if it's a dmy country or mdy country. [11:13:49] but I had a different problem: this page from their website was embedded in the app for me to agree I don't have anything prohibited and it's very unwieldy on mobile. (especially the wide wide HTML table. tried portrait and landscape) I think I just gave up and waited til I got to airport? and then there were extremely limited questions about prohibited items. I [11:13:49] forgot to ask and [11:13:51] they didn't offer a print version of the bad web page. [11:13:52] https://www.turkishairlines.com/en-us/any-questions/restrictions/ (re @tuukkahastrup: Yes, in the Turkish Airlines app during check-in (on Android)) [11:21:34] signal is not on the list of supported apps for in flight WiFi but it did work fine. (free with Turkish loyalty membership even if you don't credit the flight to Turkish loyalty program. idk when I'll be going to Turkey again so I credited to United.) [11:21:52] oh, I am interested in the conversation started in phab. (re @JeanFred: Afraid not :)) [11:22:21] (free messaging for members even if you don't have quota) (re @jeremy_b: signal is not on the list of supported apps for in flight WiFi but it did work fine. (free with Turkish loyalty membership even ...) [11:25:50] (This is where you can check in Manage Booking - probably what the travel agency provided to the airline) : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/38630285/file_70229.jpg [12:30:43] free on Kanopy (if you have it) even though it's not listed on film website. (re @EdwardBetts: Istanbul documentary recommendation, Kedi, about the many stray cats walking around the city. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kedi...) [12:30:54] https://www.kanopy.com/video/2819797 [12:46:50] Jennifer 8. No, the dates are too much close to two big events in Switzerland connected with AI. [13:33:03] There is an app/website that I reccomend to use to get around in Istambul [13:33:04] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details [13:33:06] https://www.eway.in.ua/ [13:33:07] I use it a lot to navigate in Kyiv, but Istambul is also supported. It gives you maps and descriptions of all metro, suburban train, tram and bus lines, with live gps-locations of vehicles on route (where available). Also you can "contruct a path": you give it point A where you are and point B where you want to go, and it will tell you how to get there. I, [13:33:07] personally, find it very useful. [13:43:24] Fixed link to Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eway [13:54:53] In Ukraine it is connected to the live feed of the buses' GPS trackers, is that also the case in Constantinople? (re @Tohaomg: There is an app/website that I reccomend to use to get around in Istambul [13:54:54] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details [13:54:55] https://ww...) [14:03:39] Google maps doesn't have that so maybe they don't publish the data for other apps? (re @Thecladis: In Ukraine it is connected to the live feed of the buses' GPS trackers, is that also the case in Constantinople?) [14:44:42] linked in person at front desk, now shows up in app. and yes they were happy to hold a bag for me. (re @deb_t: This is a known issue, which is unfortunate. Please contact travelmanager@wikimedia.org for assistance.) [14:45:46] the security was a bit shocking compared to the other places I stayed so far. car barricades and then once you enter hotel there's x-ray/magnetometer. [14:47:53] are you saying you have to go through a metal detector to enter the Renaissance Polat Istanbul Hotel? [14:49:52] sidewalks are okayish if you're comfortable going up and down tall curbs by yourself. but this seems like not the right city for a wheelchair. [14:49:54] broken sidewalks, driveways where the sidewalk isn't level because the ramp down the driveway starts already at the curb, vehicles parked on sidewalk, no wheelchair ramps at the corner/sidewalks. [14:53:35] They have a long way to go... [14:54:36] Moovit also have arrival times for free, even location info on purchase plan. (re @jeremy_b: this app is supposed to have realtime data for buses. seems official, advertised on QR on board. I haven't tested it yet. https:...) [14:57:20] mooovit really turns me off with the way they went so overboard with the advertisements. uninstalled it. (re @seaque: Moovit also have arrival times for free, even location info on purchase plan.) [14:58:15] yeah, couldn't use it if I didn't have DNS that blocks all Google ads in applications. [14:59:24] purchase plan is price? Google maps seems to show price pretty well but I haven't verified all the digits after decimal. Citymapper has wrong price. maybe a difference of local price vs tourist? I still haven't figured out what refund machines are or how they work. (re @seaque: Moovit also have arrival times for free, even location info on purchase plan.) [15:01:52] No, I mean Moovit+ subscription. But free version also have transportation fee. [15:01:52] Busses, subway, tram should be 27₺, some rail lines go further so they charge more on initial entry, then you use refund machines to get back some of it if you haven't travelled that far. [15:08:29] if you have IstanbulKart which you can buy from the machines near subway, you should pay 27 for regular trip. There is no price difference there for tourists since it's automatic. [15:10:38] you can't use personalize (deanonymize) if not a resident? and it seems quite clear you can't refund if you're "anonymous". (quotes because really not anonymous when I got it to begin with using a card and also used card for refills) (re @seaque: No, I mean Moovit+ subscription. But free version also have transportation fee. [15:10:39] Busses, subway, tram should be 27₺, some lines ...) [15:10:55] ahh app fee not train fee. (re @seaque: No, I mean Moovit+ subscription. But free version also have transportation fee. [15:10:55] Busses, subway, tram should be 27₺, some lines ...) [15:11:07] yes 130. (re @seaque: if you have IstanbulKart which you can buy from the machines (130₺ I suppose) near subway, you should pay 27 for regular trip. T...) [15:11:42] there's also an "İnstanbulkart plus". which I haven't figured out. [15:12:57] I think that's just what they call the digital version (re @jeremy_b: there's also an "İnstanbulkart plus". which I haven't figured out.) [15:13:58] that's unfortunate. In any case I'd try it on refund machines, you never know 😁 (re @jeremy_b: you can't use personalize (deanonymize) if not a resident? and it seems quite clear you can't refund if you're "anonymous". (quo...) [15:16:01] I have already (re @seaque: that's unfortunate. In any case I'd try it on refund machines, you never know 😁) [15:16:49] that's not what it looked like in the advertisement. the QR in ad was generic. http://landing.istanbulkart.istanbul/landing.html (re @seaque: I think that's just what they call the digital version) [15:18:36] apparently you can send money to bank accounts. It's trying to become *the one* card. (re @jeremy_b: that's not what it looked like in the advertisement. the QR in ad was generic. http://landing.istanbulkart.istanbul/landing.html) [15:24:16] >IstanbulKart Plus, is a linked-to-account virtual card that can be used for online purchases. You can use it on businesses with QR pay implementation. [15:31:43] Sirkeci station is close to Historical area [15:57:42] Cicerone.guide :) (re @Tohaomg: There is an app/website that I reccomend to use to get around in Istambul [15:57:43] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details [15:57:45] https://ww...) [16:00:37] Updated version with arrival times, in case you have delays, rebooking/changed flights, or your own flights: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/09d9e37e/file_70238.jpg [16:07:40] You can download this app called istanbulkart then you upload money into it and pay with a qr code (re @Tohaomg: I have a pair of travel questions: [16:07:42] 1. Will there be an organized transfer for us from the airport to the hotel, or we will have ...) [17:37:17] yes (re @goodvibes6177: are you saying you have to go through a metal detector to enter the Renaissance Polat Istanbul Hotel?) [19:21:16] In case I need to take a taxi to go to the hotel what is the most optimal way to do it? I got an email that there's no group going from the airport to the hotel at the time I arrive [19:22:48] I arrived at about 8:00 p.m. [19:23:09] According to Reddit Bitaksi is the best way without the risk of being scammed (re @Magioladitis: In case I need to take a taxi to go to the hotel what is the most optimal way to do it? I got an email that there's no group goi...) [19:29:59] can I pay with creditcard? (re @nacaru: According to Reddit Bitaksi is the best way without the risk of being scammed) [19:30:40] That I don't know 🥲 I'm taking the shuttle if available the app was my backup so I only installed it (re @IsmaelOlea: can I pay with creditcard?) [19:35:00] I've just checked the Shuttle 17 will be waiting for me *_* [19:49:21] what day? (re @Magioladitis: I arrived at about 8:00 p.m.) [20:13:08] (An aside, anyone who avoided JFK today-- you did a great job, it's a zoo here) [20:13:58] huh it seemed ok on Thursday. I didn't get there particularly early and still had breathing time to stop in a lounge after security. [20:15:27] p.s. my current hotel has a magnetometer but it's never been turned on that I saw. (re @jeremy_b: the security was a bit shocking compared to the other places I stayed so far. car barricades and then once you enter hotel there...) [20:17:45] Line is wrapped around like four times-- it's easily got over 500 people rn. Glad I showed up like 3 hours early. (re @jeremy_b: huh it seemed ok on Thursday. I didn't get there particularly early and still had breathing time to stop in a lounge after secur...) [20:20:03] Which shuttle group is the last one to receive dinner at the Hotel? [20:20:03] (For example, when does Shuttle 14 leave? I'm guessing it will wait ~30min for the 19:30 arrivals to land/taxi/immigration/bags, and maybe leave 20:00 and then drive ~1h.) [20:20:04] What time do people who don't use the shuttle have to arrive by in order to get dinner? Can people still enter and start dinner eg at 20:55? [20:20:06] (The wiki page says dinner is served 18:00 to 21:00.) (re @Krinkle24: Updated version with arrival times, in case you have delays, rebooking/changed flights, or your own flights:) [20:21:03] they had a sign about no outside food or drink at x-ray. which was more shocking. I asked a bit about it at front desk and they said something about focusing more on bigger things like don't bring in 5 liters? anyway maybe that's a thing to get more clarification in. obviously most meals will just be covered but in case either someone has a craving at a different [20:21:03] hour and wants t [20:21:04] o order something from outside is that really not ok? and usually I expect to get somethings from supermarket or bodega to keep in my room. I got a liter of seltzer tonight, sometimes maybe a bag of chips or pretzels or some other snack. (re @jeremy_b: the security was a bit shocking compared to the other places I stayed so far. car barricades and then once you [20:21:04] enter hotel there. [20:21:06] ..) [20:21:52] for me just personal preference/convenience but I could image with something like diabetes having snacks or juice on hand could be important. or a drug that must be taken together with food. [20:24:10] (also p.s. not also bottles of liquid are food or drink. I will test this tomorrow with a bottle of non-food besides also probably still having some seltzer left.) [20:25:41] Perhaps they don't want people to sit in the hotel lounge with McDonald's? [20:26:03] ok but also not in their own rooms? (re @sjoerddebruin: Perhaps they don't want people to sit in the hotel lounge with McDonald's?) [20:26:27] It sounds like a hotel lobby focused rule [20:27:10] When I first visited Berlin I was surprised why I see so much more people in wheelchairs than I see in Ukraine. They must have a ton more disabled people. Then I realised that must be not the reason why. (re @jeremy_b: sidewalks are okayish if you're comfortable going up and down tall curbs by yourself. but this seems like not the right city for...) [20:27:21] the sign was sitting on top of the X-ray machine that covers whole building not just lobby. I specifically asked front desk about my room, they didn't say no it's just the lobby. (re @sjoerddebruin: It sounds like a hotel lobby focused rule) [20:27:32] Interesting [20:28:29] for anyone traveling from airport tomorrow keep an eye on weather forecast if you're thinking about going partly on foot. [20:39:23] I had no problems taking bottles of water, a beer, snacks etc. to my room. Put my bag on the x-ray, no complaints. So far. (A large beer at the hotel bar is about 11EUR - hotel bars.) (re @jeremy_b: they had a sign about no outside food or drink at x-ray. which was more shocking. I asked a bit about it at front desk and they ...) [20:39:55] Must be the most expensive hotel beer in quite some time [20:41:55] Common I'd say... Some shops/supermarkets are close in this strange area. [20:43:37] there's quite a few ways to navigate grid between Marmaray and hotel but I found my routes today to be quite residential. but also passed a supermarket too. (re @malyacko: Common I'd say... Some shops/supermarkets are close in this strange area.) [21:40:38] will there be some COVID tests at the venue, like there were at Wikimania last year? [21:40:42] (wondering if I should bring any) [21:42:30] I would certainly like some. if we have to buy I will join a group order but I need some advice where to buy from. [21:42:31] I have previously bought from German company altruan but it seemed not possible to ship to Turkey? or at least turkey wasn't on the list of countries in footer drop-down. (re @lucaswerkmeister: will there be some COVID tests at the venue, like there were at Wikimania last year?) [21:43:46] (not just for during event, I want to also e.g. test several days after on the day of my flight.) [21:53:52] Typo: I arrive tomorrow may 1st at 8pm (re @jeremy_b: what day?) [21:55:59] we could arrange to have cash waiting for you at the front door if that helps. use a cheaper ATM once you're settled in town instead of expensive one at airport. pay me back once you get cash. (re @Magioladitis: Typo: I arrive tomorrow may 1st at 8pm) [21:56:54] idk for sure if there's always someone at the front door before X-ray but there was when I showed up. [21:57:10] So you don't think they are going to accept credit card? (re @jeremy_b: we could arrange to have cash waiting for you at the front door if that helps. use a cheaper ATM once you're settled in town ins...) [21:58:02] I think I saw someone mentioned cash only for a taxi. idk where I saw that. (re @Magioladitis: So you don't think they are going to accept credit card?) [21:58:57] idk about bitaksi one way or another. (re @IsmaelOlea: can I pay with creditcard?) [22:02:51] I have brought some (re @jeremy_b: I would certainly like some. if we have to buy I will join a group order but I need some advice where to buy from. [22:02:52] I have previ...) [22:03:03] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/fc6503aa/file_70241.jpg [22:03:30] I’m not in Turkey yet, so can’t 100% guarantee… [22:03:59] I think the “cash only” taxi are more likely to be the ones trying to scam you [22:05:36] I arrive 1500 local time so will be getting from SAW with a taxi [22:06:01] I've heard of them typing the wrong number (not what the meter says) into Uber app. just something I saw online I think. I don't know if that's less likely with bitaksi. (re @tehreedy: I think the “cash only” taxi are more likely to be the ones trying to scam you) [22:06:39] Heh. I guess when you’re out you can challenge it in the app. Or with your card [22:07:17] I haven't been in one yet. will be good to see first hand how easy it is to see/understand the screen on meter. [22:07:52] I was meaning specifically with the cash they can be awkward/threatening about it too [22:08:55] I would be tempted to use Uber for various reasons like that… we’ll see when I get there I guess [22:09:25] I've been having trouble seeing transit entrances and exits. just a single point per station. but some have multiple entrance/exit. is there a good source I should look at? Google Maps (transit layer) is pretty good in NYC. [22:14:54] Does anyone know if for the people who are not gonna stay at the hotel we have to pay for the food? [22:15:26] breakfast yes, lunch/dinner are included. (re @Amanda: Does anyone know if for the people who are not gonna stay at the hotel we have to pay for the food?) [22:16:11] if on scholarship then the hotel reservation covers breakfast [22:18:01] Ah thanks [22:18:14] Im not on a scolarship [22:18:15] And ill stay somewhere else [22:18:28] And the email mentioned snacks too so i was wondering [22:18:47] I think safe to assume snacks are included (re @Amanda: And the email mentioned snacks too so i was wondering) [22:19:11] My experience on Wikimedia events is that the snacks are usually ready when you show up in the morning ;) [22:19:12] Thank youu (re @jeremy_b: I think safe to assume snacks are included) [22:19:31] Thank you so mucj (re @sjoerddebruin: My experience on Wikimedia events is that the snacks are usually ready when you show up in the morning ;)) [22:19:45] One last question if it is no bother. Is it obligatory to make a project pitch [22:19:50] Some fruit, a cookie and coffee should probably cover the time till lunch [22:19:55] I honestly dont know what im doing haha [22:20:00] It isn't :) (re @Amanda: One last question if it is no bother. Is it obligatory to make a project pitch) [22:20:11] Well that is a relief [22:20:21] Thanks again [22:24:03] can our family come with us for the shuttle from airport? [22:49:51] Very little is forced/compulsory [22:50:06] Beyond abiding by the friendly spaces policy :) [22:52:35] Don’t be afraid to ask for help… either in person or in here as you feel comfortable [22:53:58] You can work on your own thing. Try and help others. Find people to help you (without pitching). Or even listen to talks and such [23:07:03] By the way, a physical, personal debit/credit card with at least 300 Euro of limit is necessary for scholarship recipients too, apparently. [23:07:04] I think it is a normal thing in high-end hotels, but it may surprise some [23:08:29] It is something that could be added to the Scholarship Briefing too [23:12:31] Necessary as in...? as a deposit? (re @TiagoLubiana: By the way, a physical, personal debit/credit card with at least 300 Euro of limit is necessary for scholarship recipients too, ...) [23:13:03] I almost thought you meant we get one with 300 euros again [23:13:36] yes, as a refundable deposit (re @nacaru: Necessary as in...? as a deposit?) [23:14:02] not shocking and I'm sure we would figure something out if that was a problem for someone. to insure against running off with the mini bar, room damage, any charges to billed to room at gift shop, cafe, restaurant, room service. (re @TiagoLubiana: By the way, a physical, personal debit/credit card with at least 300 Euro of limit is necessary for scholarship [23:14:02] recipients too, ...) [23:14:49] yep, we just arrived at 1h30 am and it was not a problem... but it would have been nice to plan in advance [23:15:13] there is also Martı TAG, I think it supports credit card (re @tehreedy: ) [23:15:23] ouch what an houe [23:15:24] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.martitech.marti [23:15:52] not compatible with luggage huh (re @nerim4n: there is also Martı TAG, I think it supports credit card) [23:17:52] Best advice is don’t use a debit card, if you can… [23:17:52] And if this will cause you a problem (because especially on a debit card) it will put a hold on your account meaning you can’t use those funds, is reach out to the organising team! (re @TiagoLubiana: By the way, a physical, personal debit/credit card with at least 300 Euro of limit is necessary for scholarship recipients too, ...) [23:19:34] also once you check out and settle bill maybe the hold isn't instantly released. [23:20:17] Even if it is… can take banks a few says to catch up too [23:37:37] Still cheaper than New York lol (re @sjoerddebruin: Must be the most expensive hotel beer in quite some time)