[04:35:10] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> Is there any way (via database or api) to track renamed users? Like previous name or something?
[04:35:52] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> there's a log. yes API and yes database
[04:43:09] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> can i have any link to resource? the best would be database then api, and the last would be log
[04:53:44] <wm-bb>	 <nemoralis> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Logging_table (re @nokibsarkar: can i have any link to resource? the best would be database then api, and the last would be log)
[04:54:35] <wm-bb>	 <nemoralis> Keep in mind that you can't query the replica databases unless you use Toolforge or WMCS
[05:08:57] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&format=json&list=logevents&formatversion=2&letype=gblrename&letitle=Special%3ACentralAuth%2FJohnnyAmos
[05:43:41] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> Thanks. I have another question, is it possible the url of prerendered thumbnail in commons images might not contain the actual dimension information? for example: the thumbnail url `https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Lebanese_souvenirs%2C_Deir_al-Qamar%2C_Lebanon6.jpg/960px-Lebanese_souvenirs%2C_Deir_al-Qamar%2C_Lebanon6.jpg` has 640x480
[05:43:42] <wm-bb>	 dimension. The is <clipped message>
[05:43:43] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> sue is, my tool relies on hash computation of the title to offline calculation of the thumbnail url and uses 640px. But, now that url is giving error.
[06:07:04] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> does the error not tell you what to do to fix it? (re @nokibsarkar: Thanks. I have another question, is it possible the url of  prerendered thumbnail in commons images might not contain the actual...)
[06:10:06] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> your URL works for me. if I change it to 961 then I get Error Use thumbnail steps listed on https://w.wiki/GHai . Please contact noc@wikimedia.org for further information ()
[06:12:01] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> this change is covered at [[m:Tech/News/2026/05]]. you may wish to subscribe to this publication.
[06:23:22] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> The issue is, 640x480 is a standard size, but the thumbnail url for this size starts with `960px-` not `640px-` or `480px-`.  Is there any way to calculate offline how `960px-` has come without sending burst of requests to commons? (I have to compute url for about 85k images within several minute, so offline is the most feasible option)
[06:23:33] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> @jeremy_b
[06:24:57] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> how did you get these numbers?
[06:25:34] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> you can't use the same pixel count for all 85k?
[06:26:33] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/6ad49143/file_79089.jpg
[06:27:32] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> your 960 URL is 960x720
[06:27:39] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> All images are prerendered into these sizes upon upload. So, all images should have thumbnails available in these sizes.
[06:27:57] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> ok, and? (re @nokibsarkar: All images are prerendered into these sizes upon upload. So, all images should have thumbnails available in these sizes.)
[06:28:50] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> So, I can precompute the thumbnail url for the image with 640px dimension and expect it to be available
[06:29:12] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> ok?
[06:29:20] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> so do it?
[06:30:05] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Lebanese_souvenirs%2C_Deir_al-Qamar%2C_Lebanon6.jpg/640px-Lebanese_souvenirs%2C_Deir_al-Qamar%2C_Lebanon6.jpg
[06:30:23] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> I did it, but it shows error
[06:32:15] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> the size list above that does not list 640 (re @nokibsarkar: )
[06:33:09] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> Now, if i manually go to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lebanese_souvenirs%2C_Deir_al-Qamar%2C_Lebanon6.jpg I see a thumbnail available at 640x480. When I click on it, I am redirected to a thumb url with `960px-` prefix
[06:33:42] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/bb1902d4/file_79090.jpg
[06:34:09] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> no redirect there. it's just a link that says 640 and links to 960 (re @nokibsarkar: Now, if i manually go to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lebanese_souvenirs%2C_Deir_al-Qamar%2C_Lebanon6.jpg I see a thu...)
[06:34:50] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> Oh. Ok. My bad, not redirect, direct link. But, the issue persists, right?
[06:35:07] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> what actual problem are you trying to solve. just use 960 everywhere?
[06:36:45] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> I should expect the url should be prefixed with 640px when i want to access a thumb with size 640px, right? 960px is  too large for my tool users. (re @jeremy_b: what actual problem are you trying to solve. just use 960 everywhere?)
[06:37:33] <wm-bb>	 <sjoerddebruin> Ideally you want to serve images twice the size they are displayed to support displays with a higher pixel density
[06:37:38] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> 960 or 500, pick one
[06:38:10] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> 640 isn't an option
[06:39:01] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> Is 960px would be available all the time?
[06:39:19] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> yes
[06:41:04] <wm-bb>	 <nokibsarkar> Then, what are these? Why is 640 mentioned here? (re @nokibsarkar: )
[06:48:28] <wm-bb>	 <Jan_ainali> Where is that? (re @nokibsarkar: Then, what are these? Why is 640 mentioned here?)
[06:49:08] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> you could update the docs with a ref to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/operations/mediawiki-config/+/1237279
[06:49:40] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> the page in the error message URL https://w.wiki/GHai (re @Jan_ainali: Where is that?)
[06:51:31] <wm-bb>	 <Jan_ainali> Ah. Looking wider at the page, this may be the default for other MediaWiki installs, just not on the Wikimedia hosted ones. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/bd1fdeb5/file_79091.jpg
[06:52:00] <wm-bb>	 <sjoerddebruin> Nope, just outdated documentation I think
[06:52:12] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> it's the "Wikimedia" column
[06:52:49] <wm-bb>	 <Jan_ainali> Confusing that someone added the blue box above then 😅
[06:56:43] <wm-bb>	 <Jan_ainali> I think this is related to T401668 (re @nokibsarkar: Now, if i manually go to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lebanese_souvenirs%2C_Deir_al-Qamar%2C_Lebanon6.jpg I see a thu...)
[07:20:54] <wm-bb>	 <IsmaelOlea> LibreOffice edits PDFs too. (re @NicolasVIGNERON: Wait PDF are editable? 🤪)
[07:30:12] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> I was about to say. 640px is not standard. I will update the page to make it clearer (re @jeremy_b: 960 or 500, pick one)
[09:14:55] <wm-bb>	 <Jan_ainali> Looking at the hotel website, it seems cheaper to not use the discounted rate (if I pay for the room now). Am I missing something else included in the discounted offer or is the discount that marginal that I should skip it if I am able to pay now? (re @BeeBee_P: This is a brief reminder that there are five (5) spots remaining for anyone interested in attending
[09:14:56] <wm-bb>	 the 2026 Wikimedia Hackathon...)
[09:15:44] <wm-bb>	 <lcawte> Istanbul was similar if you booked at a certain time/made use of other offers.
[09:22:09] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> Updated it. Hope it helps (re @Ladsgroup: I was about to say. 640px is not standard. I will update the page to make it clearer)
[14:22:56] <wm-bb>	 <giovi_pen> Is there anyone interested in OpenStreetMap that wanna work on the osm wiki login issue?
[14:22:58] <wm-bb>	 <giovi_pen> https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/507
[14:38:06] <wm-bb>	 <waldyrious> Maybe try (also) the people at https://t.me/wikimaps?
[23:05:06] <wm-bb>	 <bd808> @albertoleoncio I was looking for WikiVerifyBot on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Telegram#Bots, but didn't find it. Eventually I remembered about the pinned message here to remind me of how to find the bot. Adding something to the meta page would be nice when you have time.