[00:21:03] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> I think the solution is to package your video and audio inside PDFs
[12:32:59] <wm-bb>	 <Galder> hello! Is there a way to bypass the cache of a generated PDF so I can download the last version of the article?
[12:37:48] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Clear cache inside your browser? (re @Galder: hello! Is there a way to bypass the cache of a generated PDF so I can download the last version of the article?)
[12:39:28] <wm-bb>	 <Galder> no, the PDF cache is not in my browser, it seems to reside somewhere in Wikimedia side.
[12:41:32] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Is it about Wikisource (re @Galder: hello! Is there a way to bypass the cache of a generated PDF so I can download the last version of the article?)
[12:41:55] <wm-bb>	 <Galder> no, Wikipedia articles.
[12:45:27] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> `action=purge`? (re @Galder: no, Wikipedia articles.)
[12:52:01] <wm-bb>	 <Galder> no, the PDF still is stored, as it is rendered elsewhere. I think it will take some time
[13:08:36] <wm-bb>	 <Ladsgroup> Purge deletes the thumbnails too but there is a bug that sometimes it doesn't purge the cdn
[13:39:11] <wm-bb>	 <Krinkle25> Can you link or screenshot where you get this PDF?
[13:39:12] <wm-bb>	 <Krinkle25> I think we're confusing this with something else. You're talking about Wikipedia article text saved as a PDF, right? Not PDF files on Commons. (re @Galder: hello! Is there a way to bypass the cache of a generated PDF so I can download the last version of the article?)
[13:43:33] <wm-bb>	 <Galder> yes, Wikipedia articles printed as PDFs with the Special:DownloadAsPdf page.
[14:35:40] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> SPAM!!!
[14:36:09] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> (Someone else who speaks Chinese can underpin this statement) (re @cvictorovich: SPAM!!!)
[14:38:34] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> @Bennylin look here. You might know what it is (re @Y9iBprtVJ: )
[15:14:47] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> Technically it is because videos dont return thumb images. They return html blobs (with a separately generated poster embedded in them).
[15:14:47] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> Audio does (its legacy, but you might remember they used to show a file logo with a speaker image) (re @lucaswerkmeister: answer: nope, don’t do that, for video files the thumbattribs are an empty array. 🤷 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?acti...)
[15:16:17] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> Our support for anything but an image is sort badly defined at the mediahandler level. Its all kinda stuck in 2010
[15:16:29] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> but… there is a `thumburl` with a `thumbwidth and `thumbheight` (I guess that’s the poster you mentioned)
[15:22:15] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> I mean i can add it, never realized it was not there.
[15:25:10] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> Still wont get you the video output of course.
[15:25:11] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> Thats not really available other than directly from the parser
[15:43:07] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> yeah, of course, I just want something to display in a list of files
[15:43:13] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> I was gonna file a phab task later for it
[15:52:11] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> ```
[15:52:12] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> "thumbattribs": {
[15:52:14] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman>       "src": "/wiki/images/thumb/d/d0/Big_Buck_Bunny_with_VTT_acid_test_local.webm/250px--Big_Buck_Bunny_with_VTT_acid_test_local.webm.jpg",
[15:52:15] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman>       "decoding": "async",
[15:52:17] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman>       "loading": "lazy",
[15:52:18] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman>       "width": 250,
[15:52:20] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman>       "height": 141,
[15:52:21] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman>       "srcset": "/wiki/images/thumb/d/d0/Big_Buck_Bunny_with_VTT_acid_test_local.webm/330px--Big_Buck_Bunny_with_VTT_acid_test_local.webm.jpg 2x"
[15:52:23] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman>   }```
[15:52:24] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> Like that ?
[18:24:22] <wm-bb>	 <Krinkle25> Do we have a way in wikitext to display only an image from a video file? I thought it's either a page link or a video embed. Is there syntax for embedding just the image?
[18:37:51] <wm-bb>	 <djhartman> There is not, but i imagine Lucas is simply generating a list of File’s with an image in an external tool ? (re @Krinkle25: Do we have a way in wikitext to display only an image from a video file? I thought it's either a page link or a video embed. Is ...)
[18:38:50] <wm-bb>	 <jeremy_b> here's the tool (re @lucaswerkmeister: anyway, the use case is https://pagepile-visual-filter.toolforge.org/)
[18:41:34] <wm-bb>	 <Krinkle25> Understood. I'm explaining why the API might not handle that well, as the purpose is ambiguous and it's mainly just plumbing/offering what a wiki page can do.
[18:41:35] <wm-bb>	 <Krinkle25> Consider looking at what Special:Search, MediaSearch, and Special:ListFiles do, which are similar I suppose. (re @djhartman: There is not, but i imagine Lucas is simply generating a list of File’s with an image in an external tool ?)
[20:33:24] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> T439175 (FYI @djhartman) (re @lucaswerkmeister: I was gonna file a phab task later for it)