[03:49:04] how's fosdem? [08:51:52] Busy, lively, refreshing. It's nice to break free from social media and see what people (or some highly self-selected and filtered portion that speak anyway) actually think. But jokes aside, yeah, truly nice to speak with real people on industry trends and looking ahead. I'm sensing so far that the next few years may be a turning after "the lost decade" both in client space (React impossible for anyone nor Facebook) and to a lesser [08:51:52] extent cloud and k8s (more solid ground than React, but still far over used), and microservice pretty solidly dead across the board. Nothing surprising per se but it's nice for the world to catch up and to start thinking about what's next.