[16:46:11] <_joe_>	 does anyone remember why everyone is part of the "wikidev" group in production on every server?
[16:46:16] <_joe_>	 I can't find it.
[16:52:03] <dwisehaupt>	 howdy, i'm looking to see if someone can give me a little clarity on clearing the fr-tech failmail from the exim hosts. E.mperor was helping out earlier today but i have a feeling they may be gone for the weekend based on timezones.
[16:53:37] <_joe_>	 jhathaway: ^^ if you're here :)
[16:53:55] <jhathaway>	 I am
[16:54:04] <jhathaway>	 dwisehaupt: happy to help
[16:54:10] <dwisehaupt>	 cool. i'll pm.
[16:58:02] <taavi>	 _joe_: we don't have a group for each user (for example there's no group 'taavi' but that's what my user is called), so we use that as the primary group of each user
[16:58:14] <_joe_>	 taavi: yeah figured it out 
[16:58:22] <_joe_>	 thanks to amhon
[17:08:48] <bd808>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/UID#Permission/security_hierarchy might be the best explanation of the groups, but it doesn't include "why". Hysterical raisins and patterns carried over from the early '00s make the most sense.
[17:09:54] <_joe_>	 bd808: the picture became much more complex over the years ofc
[17:10:40] <bd808>	 yeah. I learned and then forgot a lot about these things when working on scap :)