[10:18:07] does anyone have a host to be decommissioned by any chance? I'd need to test some changes in the decom cookbook [10:20:24] <_joe_> volans: db1163 seems like a good candidate [10:20:29] <_joe_> it's the s1 master, no big deal [10:20:44] * _joe_ runs [10:21:07] _joe_: sounds good to me, but I'd prefer to wait saturday night to run it [10:21:19] {{support}} decreases amount of vandalism edits [10:21:29] <_joe_> taavi: right? [10:21:38] Can't vandal edit if can't edit [10:21:42] <_joe_> volans: yeah that time should minimize impact [10:21:44] *taps forehead* [10:21:46] <_joe_> checkmate dude [10:42:29] Do we expect the public (as distinct from WMF volunteers & staff) to use the WMF apt repo? I know we distribute some WMF-produced-but-general-purpose packages there e.g. cumin, but I'm not sure how many and/or whether we would expect people to use apt.wm.org or get their packages by other means... [10:43:16] people use it, yes. we have some docs to make it easier for folks: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/APT_repository [10:43:44] I'm chatting with the dgit author about whether it'd be worth dgit learning about it [10:44:26] obviously some of the bits there are heavily WMF-specific and change at our discretion, but some people apparently do use it [10:44:57] for dgit not sure, I don't have any real numbers [10:46:56] <_joe_> yeah I've been promoting our packages over the years to people btw :) [10:47:14] <_joe_> and sometimes I find mediawikis in the wild that use our php versions :) [11:24:55] I'm going to pilfer a couple appservers for the wikikube cluster, and so I'll be renaming them. The procedure mentions cable id, switch port, etc. reprovisioning, and to ask because it may not be needed for a simple rename. Is it needed, and are there cases where it would be needed for a rename? [11:27:43] claime: are you following https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Server_Lifecycle#Rename_while_reimaging ? [11:27:48] yes [11:27:56] I haven't started yet btw [11:27:57] if the host is not physically moved [11:28:28] I'm actually following to the letter what the warnbox says :P "the next two steps may not be required if only renaming the server, just in case of physical relocation. Ask." [11:29:30] I didn't add that warning, but yes, those are needed for relocation, not for a simple rrename, but I'm not sure what "two" means that as there is a weird indentation of the bullet points [11:30:08] yep, that's why I'm asking, I figured it wouldn't make sense that the port etc. would change on a simple rename [11:31:17] *wouldn't [11:32:33] claime: rename within the same network? [11:32:40] private -> private for example [11:32:51] eqiad.wmnet -> eqiad.wmnet [11:32:51] volans: yeah, appserver to wikikube [11:33:06] ok then I think you can skip until "Run the interface_automation.ProvisionServerNetwork...." [11:33:26] included? [11:33:35] yes, skipping that too [11:33:42] great, thank you <3 [11:33:45] and resume with "Run the sre.dns.netbox cook..." [11:34:28] let me adjust the page to clarify that [11:34:49] <3 bis [11:38:59] claime: please refresh and proof-read it [11:39:14] then we'll test it while you're doing it and adust if needed [11:41:17] I'll just add an "End steps for physical relocation" for maximum clarity because of the weird indentation, but lgtm [11:42:27] I'll test that after lunch, tysm :) [11:44:38] k [11:44:39] ttyl [11:54:15] doh, I thought I had removed that weird indentation [11:54:18] re-trying [14:16:59] The VMs behind `people.wikimedia.org` will be intermittently unavailable over the next hour while I resize its disk. Some brief (~5m) interruptions should be expected. [15:51:15] Wanted to ask, does klaxon.wikimedia.org actually sound a klaxon [15:51:23] It says it wakes up engineers from their sleep [15:52:28] not a literal one, unless someone has chosen that sound as a ringtone on their phone :) [15:52:53] Oh so it just calls them [15:52:56] That makes sense [15:52:59] cdanis: next hackathon project... internet of shit klaxon's [15:53:07] nopenopenope [15:53:23] Deauthorized: actually in my case it does this: https://youtu.be/0MzPVe30Q1A?t=5 [15:54:04] I got a huge one key keyboard to acknowledge the pages: https://www.curiosite.es/img/auto_catalogo/w750/27691.jpg [15:56:32] I"m so glad I don't carry a pager any more. [15:57:39] Although in my case, I'm such a sound sleeper, what would usually happen is it would wake up my wife, who would then wake me up. [15:58:00] so you got a human pager instead [15:59:22] We once had a nerf gun in the office that was hooked up to the pager system. [15:59:36] Nerf gun hooked up to a pager sounds fun [16:01:27] Paintball auto-aim turret [16:11:32] Just as a note, emergency captcha may need to be enabled on enwiki again as the same hitler vandalism has continued [16:14:32] Deauthorized: okay, during business hours (when Klaxon shows at the upper right a few usernames for "Currently oncall) it isn't actually waking anyone up from sleep :P [16:14:43] err, :) [16:14:48] but we're also right here so you don't need to page us :) [16:15:00] Yeah I can see [21:07:47] effie: _joe_ you might like this drop in memc traffic and hit ratio improvement; https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T314434#9064166 [21:28:25] I wanted to ask here on the current situation with the emergency captcha, are there any updates on that? [21:52:08] Deauthorized: the config still appears to be in place per https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/refs/heads/master/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php#3590 [21:54:48] bd808: I see. Hopefully some other mitigation can be developed soon as the emergency captcha isnt exactly good for accessibility [21:57:22] I agree that it is not ideal. All captchas are bad, but ours is especially bad. [22:08:41] The extension has support for other types of captchas, has there ever been any attempt to move over to hcaptcha or something similar to that [22:09:11] define "attempt" [22:09:41] getting something to pass legal, security, privacy, accessability, and community review is difficult [22:14:02] I understand. Sorry, but I just wanted to ask [22:14:10] I'll just leave it to you now