[03:21:22] in custom js, wgFormattedNamespaces isn't defined now, though i think it worked before? [05:09:01] I can't seem to access any wikimedia webpages [05:09:40] what error message do you get? [05:10:23] cbrittain10? [10:42:12] Hi [10:42:18] Anyone actually awake at the moment? [10:42:28] https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_practice_of_typography;_correct_composition;_a_treatise_on_spelling,_abbreviations,_the_compounding_and_division_of_words,_the_proper_use_of_figures_and_nummerals_by_De_Vinne,_Theodore_Low,_1828-1914.djvu/styles.css&action=edit [10:42:41] Normally I see highlighting for pages that end in .css [10:42:45] Currently I don't [10:42:55] What ACTUALLY broke please? [10:43:31] a variable was renamed [10:43:47] Like for example which Preference or gadget setting do I need to (un)set to get back the desired behaviour? [10:43:50] Which one? [10:44:17] thats is what "ACTUALLY broke" - as for the impact, its being addressed already https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T284716 and if you refresh it should work [10:44:35] thanks urbanecm for deploying the fix [10:45:12] I myst be stuck in a weired cache situation [10:45:17] any time DannyS712 [10:45:18] because it's not refreshing for me [10:45:34] ShakespeareFan00: this bug is supposed to be already fixed. Try to refresh the page several times [10:45:44] you can also try ctrl+shift+r or equivalent to bypass your browser's cache [10:45:56] First thing I did [10:46:27] when you did so? I deployed the fix like a minute ago [10:46:55] I did the refresh immediately after DannyS127 noted the fix should be in :) [10:47:15] Maybe there's a propogation delay? [10:47:18] can you try it just a couple of times more? [10:47:26] it's definitely some kind of cache [10:47:46] (as it works on my end) [10:47:51] Nope, still seeing the broken version [10:48:31] perhaps try it in a different browser? [10:50:11] Nope [10:50:17] 2 different browsers [10:50:30] I still don't see the highlighting [10:50:35] But you claim it's fixed :) [10:51:11] So I am thinking the cache problem is my side [10:51:14] wait... [10:51:23] ...maybe there are actually two different bugs [10:51:27] I've had this happen before [10:51:28] ShakespeareFan00: can you try https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_practice_of_typography;_correct_composition;_a_treatise_on_spelling,_abbreviations,_the_compounding_and_division_of_words,_the_proper_use_of_figures_and_nummerals_by_De_Vinne,_Theodore_Low,_1828-1914.djvu/styles.css&action=edit&useskin=timeless? [10:51:42] (it has useskin=timeless, which makes the page to load with timeless skin) [10:51:53] That brought up the highlighting :) [10:52:03] I suspect my ISP's doing something funky [10:52:16] I've had this occur with other rapidly updated sites [10:52:36] a second ago it didn't work for me with vector [10:52:38] and now it does [10:52:48] so cache is still my best bet [10:53:10] urbancem: Thanks [10:53:14] np [10:53:21] Can I also borrow your expertise on something? [10:53:30] feel free to drop a note in the task if it doesn't work in an hour or so :) [10:53:32] ShakespeareFan00: sure [10:53:48] ON English Wikisource there are works with sidenotes [10:53:58] Sidenotes don't have native HTML/CSS support [10:54:14] They are currently implemented as a SPAN [10:54:46] which gets 'floated' to the left or right side appropriately [10:55:05] The problem with the current implementation is that it uses position:absolute [10:55:23] This means that a lengthy sidenote (which is constrained by the limitations of a SPAN) [10:55:40] can overrun the next sidenote, if there are lots of them in apage [10:56:24] In the context of the works I was dealing with, this can be solved by removing the position:abolsute and using float and clear in CSS instead.. [10:56:36] However that's not a generally applicable solution. [10:57:55] Where it needs some technical expertise, is that there needs to be a way of 'moving' sidenotes from being inline spans, to being a proper "aside" like tag which could be collated like Reference tags can be [10:59:08] Or there needs to be a way to do to create a sidenotes that sits to the left or the right of a page. [10:59:17] as long as the sidenotices should be displayed next to text they're attached to, having them inline might be actually good [10:59:28] Yes.. [10:59:43] I don't disagree with the SPAN inline usage BTW [11:00:26] A problem arises in that it's not possible to collate SPAN's in the way you can REF tags [11:00:34] Or at least not currently. [11:01:11] In some works (like Uk legislation) the marginals/sidenotes get collated to the bottom of the page [11:01:36] and what's placed in the text , is like a REF tag to the actual citation at the bottom. [11:01:36] you can try to (ab)use references somehow (right now, i don't see a class/data attribute that would say which group the tag belongs to, but that's probably easy to add) [11:02:29] I can do something like 7 Geo 2. C. 1 for example. [11:02:57] yeah, and as long as there would be a way to identify , it should be fairly easy to move that list somewhere else [11:03:03] but there's currently no way to have a ref tag display either as reference or as a sidenote without a lot of coding. [11:03:04] (via css) [11:03:20] Let me find an example. [11:03:30] i don't think it's possible without (much) coding tbh [11:04:10] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cinque_Ports_Act_1821(ukpga_18210076_en).pdf [11:04:22] This has 2 things... Sidetitles [11:04:32] (which cna be converted to headings) [11:04:47] and marginal citations which can be converted to ref tags [11:05:02] It's not possible currently to have refs in margins. [11:05:12] They have to be collated at the end. [11:05:23] i don't understand what sidetitles refers to [11:05:55] page 2 of linked document [11:06:08] The small text on the left which summarises a section [11:06:31] Legislation.gov moves those all to the head of the relevant section. [11:06:32] where does it say "page 2 of linked document"? [11:06:33] i don't see that text [11:06:48] Pages 2 of the PDF [11:07:04] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Cinque_Ports_Act_1821%28ukpga_18210076_en%29.pdf [11:07:07] Page 2 [11:07:29] the text "Lord Warden to aqppoint comissioners..." [11:07:33] on the LHS [11:07:54] *appoint sorry [11:12:27] i thought you refer to the layout of the commons.wikimedia.org page itself [11:12:28] not to the pdf [11:37:54] Apologies [11:38:04] My poor comunication [11:38:23] Ideally it would be nice to reproduce the layout in the PDF at wikisource [11:38:35] The current approach I used wasn't necessarily the same [11:55:11] urbanecm: (Sigh) - https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Cinque_Ports_Act_1821(ukpga_18210076_en).pdf/styles.css [11:55:17] you set up a style [11:55:27] but it fails to apply due to specfificity :( [11:55:41] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Cinque_Ports_Act_1821 [12:01:46] urbanecm: What would be nice in time is to have the layout here 'collapse' as the page gets too narrow