[03:56:02] <Awkwafaba>	 Hey, so i think this page may be killing some of the hamsters running the servers.  It keeps giving a time out.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ninjatacoshell/List_of_nodulated_plants_and_their_symbionts
[03:56:55] <Awkwafaba>	 it’s not my page, i was being a WikiJaguar
[04:01:40] <Awkwafaba>	 Hello?
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[14:00:11] <Neith>	 for mailman, is there a way to change my preferences globally?
[14:00:35] <Neith>	 also when I change my email, I get a confirmation message with "Subscription changed to %s"
[14:01:14] <Neith>	 *when I change the email that I use to subscribe to a list, I get a confirmation message with "Subscription changed to %s"
[14:02:51] <Neith>	 also the CVN list acts like I'm not subscribed, but if I try to subscribe, it says I already am
[14:24:00] <silverwhitefish>	 have you backed up the config files in ~/HOME and perhaps checking if removing the folders related to mailman and reopening the application? If everything works then you would most likely either hand write config files to /usr/local/share/something or trying to copy the config files to that directly making sure to change permissions and ownership on the files
[14:25:07] <Neith>	 I don't have that kinda access to WMF's mailman tho, so I don't think I can do that
[15:53:29] <silverwhitefish>	 do you think the %s refer to Unix timestamp or is a C string? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25s
[15:53:41] <awkwafaba>	 Hello
[15:54:00] <awkwafaba>	 anyone here?
[15:55:49] <mutante>	 yep
[15:56:05] <silverwhitefish>	 greetings awkwafaba
[15:57:13] <awkwafaba>	 So i posted this last night, and didn’t get a reply
[15:57:29] <awkwafaba>	 But i found a wikipedia page that is throwing a timeout error
[15:57:47] <awkwafaba>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ninjatacoshell/List_of_nodulated_plants_and_their_symbionts
[15:58:01] <silverwhitefish>	 Neith: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/config/docs/config.html
[15:59:00] <awkwafaba>	 It’s not my page, so I don’t know how big it is or anything 
[15:59:56] <silverwhitefish>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ninjatacoshell/List_of_nodulated_plants_and_their_symbionts
[16:00:21] <silverwhitefish>	 is that the same page as you posted
[16:01:05] <awkwafaba>	 That looks like the same URL
[16:01:09] <silverwhitefish>	 when i click on your link its takes a while with no reference
[16:01:37] <awkwafaba>	 I know they have another similarly titled page, but that loads fine for me
[16:01:38] <silverwhitefish>	 but clicking on the link from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Ninjatacoshell%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1&ns2=1 seems to work much faster
[16:03:04] <awkwafaba>	 Not for me.  Make sure you aren’t clicking on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ninjatacoshell/List_of_nodulated_actinorhizal_plants_and_their_symbionts
[16:03:46] <awkwafaba>	 I got this error clicking on your search link: Server timed out
[16:03:46] <awkwafaba>	 254 revisions since 2009-08-01 (+1,051 days), 16 editors, 0 pageviews (30 days), created by: Ninjatacoshell (15,009) · See full page statistics
[16:03:47] <awkwafaba>	 Jump to navigationJump to search
[16:03:47] <awkwafaba>	 The maximum request time of 60 {{PLURAL:60|second|seconds}} was exceeded.
[16:03:48] <awkwafaba>	 [83394eef-b97b-4129-ba36-cf37fde9883c] 2021-06-25 16:03:08: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\RequestTimeout\RequestTimeoutException"
[16:05:14] <mutante>	 you can get the content with this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ninjatacoshell/List_of_nodulated_plants_and_their_symbionts?action=raw
[16:05:24] <mutante>	 adding action=raw makes it quick because no wiki parsing
[16:05:38] <mutante>	 you will get a download of 1.6MB of wiki source or something
[16:05:41] <silverwhitefish>	 yeah now im getting Sorry, the servers are overloaded at the moment. Too many users are trying to view this page. Please wait a while before you try to access this page again.      Timeout waiting for the lock
[16:06:29] <awkwafaba>	 Sorry.  I hope the hamsters can recover.  Give them extra sunflower seeds for me
[16:07:23] <awkwafaba>	 Is it just because the page is so big?
[16:07:25] <mutante>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_size
[16:08:33] <mutante>	 awkwafaba: yes, it is because it is soo large
[16:08:49] <silverwhitefish>	 2775 	User:Ninjatacoshell/List_of_nodulated_plants_and_their_symbionts (edit) (raw) 	1366034 	20170710193653 
[16:08:53] <mutante>	 you can download raw wiki as above and then see size in bytes
[16:08:55] <mutante>	 1690512
[16:08:55] <silverwhitefish>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Long_pages
[16:09:05] <mutante>	 now compare that to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:LongPages
[16:09:05] <silverwhitefish>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ninjatacoshell/List_of_nodulated_plants_and_their_symbionts&action=raw&ctype=text/css
[16:09:08] <awkwafaba>	 Is there a template i can put on their talk page to warn them?
[16:09:12] <mutante>	 it is like 3 times the size of the largest article
[16:10:15] <mutante>	 not aware of a template specifically for this, but you can leave a message on their talk page
[16:11:18] <awkwafaba>	 If they can’t open the page to edit it, what could they do?  Should I send them somewhere?
[16:13:43] <mutante>	 awkwafaba: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_size#If_you_have_problems_editing_a_long_article
[16:14:03] <mutante>	 one section at a time..if there are sections
[16:14:29] <mutante>	 or they should go to the Help_desk if that doesnt help