[00:07:28] has there been a change in the sitewide CSS or something? The font in the edit window has changed. [00:09:43] Dragonfly6-7: all these changes reached the wikipedias today -- https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.39/wmf.6/Changelog [00:10:45] I see no mention of the word 'font' there. Should I be looking for something else? [00:14:33] I honestly don't know, but [[w:WP:ITSTHURSDAY]] is the reasonable response to a question like you posed. [00:14:46] Okay. Well, thank you. [00:15:35] follow up questions that might help figure things out: which edit window? which wiki? what are you comparing the font to? [00:15:47] English Wikipedia [00:16:05] edit windows on... let's see if this affects every article [00:16:11] actually, let me restart my browser first [00:17:21] I did try checking to see if it would also happenwhen logged out (yes) [00:17:45] CodeMirror would usually be the culprit in an edit window font change, but this week's report says it has not changed [00:17:56] * Dragonfly6-7 nods. Hold on. [00:18:08] I'm trying to remember the names for fonts [00:18:13] this is ... like,"system" font [00:18:34] browser quit [00:18:37] restarting [00:19:16] nope, it's still there [00:19:42] last I checked, we don't specify specific fonts, just `serif`, `sans-serif`, or `monospace` [00:20:10] on my firefox + enwiki I see div.CodeMirror with css of `font-family: 'Menlo','Consolas','Monaco','Noto Mono','Nimbus Mono L',monospace;` [00:20:31] Menlo is used for—yeah [00:21:01] and that's also for ve source editor [00:21:05] I just get `font-family: monospace,monospace;` [00:21:48] Firefox here too [00:21:51] let me check on chrome [00:22:01] go away, cat [00:22:12] yeah, this looks like monaco although the "a"s are wrong [00:22:18] for the avoidance of doubt, Dragonfly6-7, what skin are you using and do you have syntax highlighting turned on? [00:22:35] b) no. [00:22:40] a) I'm using a heavily customized version of..... [00:22:44] * Dragonfly6-7 checks [00:23:04] "Vector Legacy" [00:23:22] however, as I said, this effect continues when logged out. [00:23:39] Do the a's look like handwritten a's instead of the fancy kind? [00:24:11] the a's have a little curved loop at the top [00:24:31] I don't entirely have the vocabulary to describe the components of a typeface [00:24:44] Does it look like 𝑎 [00:24:51] (or should it look like that) [00:25:19] perryprog - 1) it does not. 2) .... I've never examined the 'a's in my edit windows that closely. [00:25:26] 3) the effect is not appearing in Chrome. [00:26:23] i'm logged out in FF and in Chrome, and I get different fonts in the edit windows [00:27:43] AntiComposite - I don't use syntax highlighting because, although I've heard the term, I don't know what it means. [00:30:06] would it be useful to say that, previously, it was Courier-like, but now it's Lucida Console-like? [00:30:48] Dragonfly6-7: there is an icon that looks like a pen in the toolbar [00:30:59] I'm informed it's a highlighter [00:31:01] the thing that changed is it is on by default [00:31:05] I noticed this too [00:31:09] it surprised me [00:31:27] it seemed like one day the "edit source" mode became more visual because of that [00:31:32] syntax highlighting is just fancy colors for stuff like wikilinks [00:31:36] then when I hit that icon I was back to "normal" [00:31:44] Ew. [00:31:52] it does more than what I would consider highlighting [00:32:13] I can see how that would be helpful for people, but I don't like it. [00:32:14] it embiggens headers and some other stuff I think [00:32:17] I quite love it [00:32:26] yea, the headings [00:32:28] As long as there's the option to not use it. [00:32:35] Dragonfly6-7: I am with you there [00:32:49] the change was what the default value is.. I think [00:32:53] I think we should forcibly convert the both of you for wrong opinions [00:33:15] perryprog, I would appreciate it if you didn't make jokes about forced conversion, thank you. [00:33:27] Dragonfly6-7: anyway, you found that pen icon? [00:33:30] I did, yes. [00:33:41] and that fixes the font appearance for you? [00:33:47] Dragonfly6-7 got it [00:34:07] mutante - it does not. [00:34:31] oh;/ well..then I guess that's separate [00:34:36] it turns the syntax highlighting on and off. [00:35:43] i mean, if there's been a change in the whole system, that's one thing. The fact that it shows up in Firefox but not Chrome, though, is weird. [00:36:38] could be as simple as switching to/away from a fallback font due to an update in either browser, it's probably hard to say [00:36:52] 'fallback' ? [00:36:53] Dragonfly6-7: since yoy said "heavily customized version" of a skin... is it gone with other skins / the default skins? [00:36:54] I can say there's been no change for me, though [00:37:25] Dragonfly6-7, usually there's a list of fonts a website will "try", but they might fail due to your computer or browser not having/supporting them [00:37:39] * Dragonfly6-7 logs back in. [00:37:49] I agree it could be browser upgrade or even OS upgrade, new font package [00:38:07] oh wait [00:38:08] that's odd [00:38:25] "Edit area font style" is an option. [00:39:25] ....hm. Not quite what I was expecting. [00:39:27] * Dragonfly6-7 tinkers some more. [00:41:21] Hmm. There's three options and none of them provide what I wanted. [00:42:21] when i log in with chrome, i still get the right font [00:43:18] hmm. It's still an issue on Commons in Firefox [00:43:50] maybe you have the old style/font in chrome cache [00:43:51] and it's still not an issue on Commons in Chrome [00:43:57] Dragonfly6-7: in Firefox in 'about:config' if you search for 'font' there is a TON of options what the font.default is for each language [00:44:04] serif vs sans-serif etc [00:45:28] and I have no idea what to do when i'm in about:config [00:46:32] Dragonfly6-7: after you "accept the risk" then there is just a blank search bar. type "font" into that [00:46:40] yes [00:46:41] done [00:46:41] then you will see a lot of options [00:46:45] done [00:47:00] and then what [00:47:24] now there is font.default. for a lot of different languages and other related stuff [00:47:29] yes, i see those [00:47:36] i have no idea which setting i'm looking for [00:47:47] I don't know in more detail, I am just saying those could have changed in FF upgrade or something [00:47:57] because otherwise it's hard to explain why it's different in Chrome [00:48:24] you could set the default to the font you like though [00:48:37] and I have no idea how to accomplish that. [00:49:07] would it help if I showed you a picture of the two edit windows with the two different fonts [00:49:12] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-options-preferences-and-settings [00:49:14] couldn't hurt [00:50:22] do you know a good temporary imagehost [00:50:41] https://i.imghurr.com is my go-to [00:51:28] https://quad.pe is a more "official" version of the same software for what it's worth (hosted by the creator instead of another IRC-er I know) [00:51:31] you can also use https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/paste/edit/form/14/ with a Wikipedia user [00:51:42] drag/drop images into pastes would work [00:51:43] wow, I always forget phab can do that [00:53:11] https://i.imghurr.com/e/jxlKVfbNA7.png [00:53:48] on the left is the new one, which I don't like. [00:54:06] Really? That's odd. The right should be an old one. [00:54:39] The right is the old one, yes. [00:55:33] oh, reading is hard [00:56:56] Now I wonder if it's the same for you on all Wikimedia wikis or not.. like a different language wikipedia or a sister project [00:57:35] those edit windows are on Commons [00:57:40] it's the same effect there [00:59:43] * Dragonfly6-7 checks fr.wiki [00:59:58] the effect doesn't happen on wikidata, but the editing mechanism is different there [01:00:42] same effect on fr.wiki [01:02:34] Dragonfly6-7: how about here https://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit [01:02:41] that is not the latest MW yet [01:03:39] looks like Courant Regular to me btw [01:03:59] mutante - same effect. Changed on FF, unchanged on Chrome. [01:04:07] oh wait [01:04:16] Dragonfly6-7: well then we can be fairly certain it's not about the latest deployment [01:04:19] probably actually Courier New even though those are basically identical [01:06:20] Dragonfly6-7: you could try an older Firefox version but .. dunno [01:06:34] seems like a browser update kind of [01:06:44] I don't thinkI updated Firefox today. [01:08:17] isn't it auto-updating though and just telling you to restart [01:08:33] that's the default, yeah [01:08:38] release date of the latest was 2 days ago [01:08:58] I did restart my machine today. [01:09:03] that was 99 [01:09:05] thaaaaat's probably it [01:09:17] Okay. [01:09:19] have you tried reverse restarting [01:09:29] No, because that's not a thing. [01:09:32] drat [01:09:36] arrow of time. [01:09:50] (sorry, my sense of humor goes out the window this late in the day) [01:09:53] this is, in principle, fixable? [01:09:55] unless you have backups [01:10:13] perryprog - that's okay. I'm just used to jokes that are funny, I guess. [01:10:18] I mean, you can just set your font as mutante to Courier New [01:10:23] as mutante said* [01:10:24] Dragonfly6-7: you could try to download /install Firefox 98 (after checking you have 99) and confirm if that thing is gone or not [01:10:43] or ..set the font.. yea [01:10:51] I do in fact have 99.0, yes [01:10:59] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar [01:11:05] that's pretty new ^ [01:11:10] Thank you. Okay, source of problem located. [01:11:39] well, try it though.. you never know [01:11:47] try which? [01:11:53] installing 98 [01:12:03] and see if that reverts it [01:13:01] even if it does, though, I'll eventually need to fix the settings, because otherwise I'll never be able to update Firefox again without this recurring. [01:14:04] about:config will persist (probably) [01:14:07] Dragonfly6-7: that is correct, I do not want to tell you to run outdated Firefox. that would have been just to confirm it [01:14:30] oh, misunderstood [01:15:09] I'm not entirely sure how to install old firefox anyway [01:15:22] Dragonfly6-7: now.. look what I found here! [01:15:26] https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/tycl25/font_change_in_firefox_99/ [01:15:30] Font change in Firefox 99? [01:15:31] heh [01:15:57] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1607913 [01:15:58] ^ [01:16:00] I win for font guess [01:16:13] Dragonfly6-7: now you can leave a comment on the mozilla bug if you want :) [01:16:14] wasn't gonna say it but I was assuming a bugfix since courier new is ancient [01:16:33] "Our monospace fonts default to Courier and Courier New, at least on macOS." [01:16:47] perryprog: yes, indeed [01:17:27] SF Mono is pretty nice if you're on macOS, too [01:17:37] I'm not. [01:18:34] Dragonfly6-7, did you see the instructions in the comments of that reddit post? Changing that setting to Courier New should fix your problem [01:18:59] one moment [01:19:26] "You have to click the Advanced Button and change the Monospace font. With 99 looks like it changed to Consolas. I also noticed the change. I think before it was Courier New." this? [01:19:47] yes [01:21:17] I'm sorry, where would the Advanced button be [01:21:30] oh wait, in Settings [01:22:27] there we go. Thank you, perryprog. You've been most helpful. [01:22:45] actually, wait, no. mutante is the one who found the reddit post. [01:22:51] wow [01:23:17] Oh, you've been helpful too. [01:23:20] kidding aside, of course ;). Anything to help with a font issue [01:23:31] heh, glad it's solved :) [01:23:44] font issues can have a couple reasons, not the easiest to debug [01:23:49] gotta run, laters [01:23:57] Even if it's a font I would be loathe to ever use [01:23:59] I've actually got a longer-standing font issue that's the result of my kludged-together CSS adjustments to replicate Classic [01:24:16] and the fact that I use a very large font size. [01:24:32] .... actually, no, the issue persists even when I shrink it down. [01:27:10] https://i.imghurr.com/e/ux3d3Vgn46.png been like this for well over a year. It's not annoying enough that I would have come here just for this. [01:27:35] oh goodness [01:27:51] surprised that isn't too annoying for yourself, that'd drive me nuts [01:28:10] for 'view history' i use a keyboard shortcut [01:28:12] same for 'what links here' [01:28:34] most of the stuff that's obscured, I can access via keyboard shortcuts [01:28:40] Dragonfly6-7, does it happen here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage?safemode=1 [01:28:57] whenI say "my kludged-together CSS adjustments", I mean "the ones I pestered other people into making for me" [01:29:16] No, but that page also doesn't have my preferred skin. [01:29:24] that's a bit odd [01:29:28] it should [01:29:40] it's got the wrong font, the wrong color, etc. [01:30:12] oh that's expected, yeah [01:30:38] I'm sure that if I stopped using my customized skin, the problem would go away, but that's the whole point. [01:32:15] * Dragonfly6-7 tries New Vector [01:32:32] no, this is terrible. [01:34:25] looks like an issue with your vector.js [01:34:52] could be [01:37:16] I have no idea how to resolve it. [01:39:54] Easiest fix that will not actually change it to what you intended would be to comment out lines 48 through 53 [01:40:16] That will give something like https://i.imghurr.com/e/Uwqactzjd0.jpg [01:44:14] ah figured it out [01:48:32] Dragonfly6-7 change lines 48 through 53 to this https://gist.github.com/perryprog/ce8c000e89da13b1e27d5ef5469200eb [01:50:03] in vector.js ? [01:50:20] ye [01:56:10] needto eat; back later [03:31:41] perryprog - thank you, it seems to work. [09:44:09] [[Tech]]; Matěj Suchánek; /* add section to a manual special page */ re, unsigned; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=23117466&oldid=23115575&rcid=23510904 [19:05:31] [[Tech]]; AlPaD; /* add section to a manual special page */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=23118727&oldid=23117466&rcid=23530548